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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.11 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey I would love to see the USA cut back its military budget and let the rest of the planet spend its own money for its own defense. Then we'd see how their precious social programs fare under the pressure of maintaining a beefed-up standing military. Its kindof a chicken-egg thing though - we need to be self-sufficient in energy before that would be a viable policy.
Wasn't it Eisenhower that stated in a speech soon after the end of world war 2,where he mentions the risks of a permanently militerized country?, and in the case of the USA, enough military assets to fight 2 major wars at the same time and overseas no less, thanks in large part to the 14 aircraft carriers in service right now,each needing over 5000 people aboard to be fully operational,and costing upwards of 10 billion a pop once fully fitted out?
With the USA spending this much on military(about 600 billion a year),and with the recession still very much an issue and it's massive debt, it's going progessively bankrupt trying to be the world police, and no single country can do it anyhow, as there's tons of smaller conflicts around the world where military assets would be needed and very little to nothing is sent there....
And the USA can be energy self suficient even when it comes to oil, since there's proven oil reserves within the country itself that could last a couple of decades, but i get the impression that they want to drain every last once of oil they can from the middle east, drop them like a hot potato since they have nothing left to offer besides that, and then concentrate on those reserves within US borders....Basically, having this standing military was first and foremost with regards to the ****ing match betwween the USA and former soviet union during the cold war(it's still going on now, just not news worthy like it used to be), control natural resources overseas needed for the country's economic growth, and not so much to defend other nations or their social programs,but i guess they can do that from time to time, if nothing more for the public relations bonus,but that's what the united nations is for and when the USA went at it alone to Iraq, there's was no weapons of mass destruction found at all,and al queada is located in afghanistan and pakistan primarily...
So here we are 8 years later, the situation in Iraq still isn't resolved, as it remains to be seen once the US troops pull out completely, if the country doesn't become an even bigger mess than it already is, after 5000+ troops died there and 30 000+ wounded in the 8 year period, with over 100 000 Iraqi civilians dead too and who know just how much money was spent in that war at this point....Even bush wrote in his book that's now on sale how the war in Iraq was a mistake!....Tell that to family members who lost people who they cared about in that war.
War and military doesn't solve all the problems like you think it does basically....
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer War and military doesn't solve all the problems like you think it does basically....
I hope you're not referring to me . . .
War solves plenty of problems, but our need for energy is not one of them. We are going out of our way to prevent the US from becoming self-sufficient in oil, which perpetuates the need to have a military presence in the middle east and spend billions upon billions in the process.
It will take a long time to get there. Oil wells and platforms, refineries, pipelines, and nuclear reactors don't build themselves overnight. In our current regulatory and political environment it is actually not possible, and that is what needs to be addressed first. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.02.11 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 11/02/2011 20:11:37 Edited by: Vogue on 11/02/2011 20:09:56 With economics you can't have your cake and eat it. France has a lot of pride and investment in public infrastructure. It now produces most of its electricity through nuclear power.
It is in French culture to take pride in the state. The elite are proud to be civil servants. But it has a huge amount of bureaucracy and its economic edge is dwindling.
The US has a very strong corporate sector that is efficient, profitable and has huge stockpiles of cash. But it also needs a lot less employed people to operate. A lot of US infrastructure is in decline. Though the high IP service sector just needs an office building. The USA will look like the montage from Minority Report in 2050.
US foreign policy is basically whackamole. It's noble efforts have included the Yugoslav civil war which was contained. And Somalia which did'nt happen.
I watched the Koyaanisqatsi film. A good art house movie but It has not made me a tree hugger.
.................................................. One man with courage is a majority
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.11 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: digitalwanderer War and military doesn't solve all the problems like you think it does basically....
I hope you're not referring to me . . .
War solves plenty of problems, but our need for energy is not one of them. We are going out of our way to prevent the US from becoming self-sufficient in oil, which perpetuates the need to have a military presence in the middle east and spend billions upon billions in the process.
It will take a long time to get there. Oil wells and platforms, refineries, pipelines, and nuclear reactors don't build themselves overnight. In our current regulatory and political environment it is actually not possible, and that is what needs to be addressed first.
The USA's own oil reserves have been known for a few decades now actually,and yes,it was regulation in the 1970~1980's that kept them from building more nuclear power plants,even though the latest generation produces practically no radioactive waste as all....Toshiba even has what's called a dry nuclear reactor that's the size of a hot tub and provides enough power for 2000 homes for 7 to 10 years....
As for war,the last fully sucessfull campaign was world war 2 completing it's stated objectives ....Korea ended up in an cease fire,but both countries are still technically at war with each other even today,and there's vietnam(ouch), then there's the first Iraq war, wich was sucessfull in freeing Kuwait, but ended there, and now we have this 8 year long mess with the second one and no one knows how it'll end exactly...
And now there's this potential fight with Iran, wich is the last big oil producing country on the map in the middle east, and also being accused of developing weapons of mass destruction...Does that remind you of the same reasons used at the start of the second Iraq war...
The USA is maintaining the status Quo on alternate energy options and has for the last couple of decades, so it's not so much a question that it takes time to build these things afterall because it obviously does, it's that they haven't started building them at all in the first place, and are trying by every means possible to secure oil reserves overseas, and pretty much everyone sees it for what it is..
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/02/2011 00:20:06
Originally by: digitalwanderer
War and military doesn't solve all the problems like you think it does basically....
Unfortunately it solves one of the biggest problems in the US. The US popualtions discontent with taxes is quelled with each new conflict. At least those that ran the US in the past got something out of reading The Wealth of Nations
Originally by: Adam Smith When a nation is already overburdened with taxes, nothing but the necessities of a new war, nothing but either the animosity of national vengeance, or the anxiety for national security, can induce the people to submit, with tolerable patience, to a new tax. Hence the usual misapplication of the sinking fund.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.02.12 00:55:00 -
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Koyaanisqatsi
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy Koyaanisqatsi
Gesundheit __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
Redflare
Caldari Black Metal Armory Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Redflare on 12/02/2011 01:51:09 The lot of you are idiots. No one seems to realize that all of these endless pages and ceaseless threads of silly banter (no, I think I'll call it human waste!) lead to nothing?! Even Jno, who seems to hold himself as being God and Prophet combined, has yet to say anything substantial. Yes, even the environmentalists have done nothing but spam.
Use math, or I will continue to taunt you while pointing my finger at you, laughing all the way.
Disclaimer: I am not going to take the time to perform the math myself. However, quick google searches on the sciences behind all of this would do you good. Do not stop at a popular science website, else suffer the wrath of a pointy object (with me wielding it, and stabbing you with it, repeatedly). ____________________________________________ [center]Due to the overwhelming number of people with "Red" in there name, I'd consider it required that everyone call me LOMPOCUS from now on![/c |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.02.12 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank
The planet will still be there probably for billions of years after we are gone but how much damage will we have done? how much rain forest will be left? how long will it take for the seas to recover or for global biodiversity to reach the same levels it had before we started our rampage in the 18th century?
It could be hundreds of thousands if not millions of years for Earth to recover.
The planet has gone through radical changes before, it will recover. Unless we were to somehow knock the planet out of it's orbit...which would be pretty damn spectacular. We could glass the whole damn thing, and eventually things would go back to "normal".
Just be proud that the current changes are caused by your own species. The radical changes that have occurred before were the cause of "natural" forces, whose to say that we aren't? If humans hadn't evolved, it would be some other intelligent species ****ing everything up.
Imagine if dolphins continued to get smarter, and evolved something akin to opposable thumbs. They'd have an industrial revolution, create machines that pollute, "over-fish" squirrels, etc.
So, the lesson to be learned here...is don't ****ing trust dolphins.
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Kim Jong Lau
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.02.12 02:28:00 -
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It is true the planet WILL continue careless of what humans do but what people fail to realise is it isnt just animals, plants and all other natural stuff that is being destroyed it is other humans who have to suffer.
In the end humans will destroy humans well before they destroy the planet, like parasites and this is what people fail to see when they 'dont care'. - 0.0 will be all MINE! |
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Redflare
Caldari Black Metal Armory Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Jong Lau It is true the planet WILL continue careless of what humans do but what people fail to realise is it isnt just animals, plants and all other natural stuff that is being destroyed it is other humans who have to suffer.
In the end humans will destroy humans well before they destroy the planet, like parasites and this is what people fail to see when they 'dont care'.
Where is your MATH!? ____________________________________________ [center]Due to the overwhelming number of people with "Red" in there name, I'd consider it required that everyone call me LOMPOCUS from now on![/c |
digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.12 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Jong Lau It is true the planet WILL continue careless of what humans do but what people fail to realise is it isnt just animals, plants and all other natural stuff that is being destroyed it is other humans who have to suffer.
In the end humans will destroy humans well before they destroy the planet, like parasites and this is what people fail to see when they 'dont care'.
Or like late stand up comedian George Carlin said it in his many routines...."The planet will shake us off like fleas, a surface nuisance".
I think it's mainly that we've become too short sighted, arrogant and greedy, combined with the ever growing population worldwide and ever dwindling natural resources that's gotten us into this mess, and we're so deep in it that getting out of it means making sacrifices, wich most people are unwilling to do in the first place, so we're caught in this vicious circle that leads nowhere...
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.02.12 06:20:00 -
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Whenever you hear about a research group predict that there will be some ecological disaster coming, just remember that such predictions bring attention and attention brings the one thing that every researcher needs more than anything else. Grant money.
They are no different than anyone else, their pocket book comes first.
You don't get grants when your study says that there is nothing to worry about....
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Redflare Where is your MATH!?
You want math?
Take the name REDFLARE and transpose letters to numbers:
18 + 5 + 4 + 6 + 12 + 1 + 18 + 5 = 69
We have now determined that your IQ is 69. There are other connotations to this result I will not go in to.
Turning to the established science of Numerology, we now add 6+9 to get 15, then add 1+5 to get 6.
We have now determined the value of your post as 6 on a scale of 100. Personally I feel that is generous.
I hope this satisfies your need for scientific precision. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.02.12 18:12:00 -
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Hello again, and thanks for all of the answers.
I know there is quite alot of things that can be discussed about our planet and i also know that many agrees and disagrees about what we all says here and what the movie says.
After i watched the movie, i just realized on what we are doing with the planet, or not only with the planet, but what we are doing for our mankind in the future.
Ofcourse, as things are now, all things is just fine for us humans. But the question is, how long time does it takes before there isn't possible for humans to live on earth?
I'll guess that's a question no ones know.
But i have some few short movie clips about the HOME movie to show you.
The Making Of, The Adventure, The Ecology, Commitment of PPR and The Music.
Enjoy.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.02.13 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Templar Dane
Originally by: Lady Skank
The planet will still be there probably for billions of years after we are gone but how much damage will we have done? how much rain forest will be left? how long will it take for the seas to recover or for global biodiversity to reach the same levels it had before we started our rampage in the 18th century?
It could be hundreds of thousands if not millions of years for Earth to recover.
The planet has gone through radical changes before, it will recover.
the planet is fine ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.14 00:39:00 -
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There is a simple solution to all this, we should give crack ******* to everyone, people would live short but happy lives till all us polluting parasites were dead - Support crack dealers for a greener planet!
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.02.14 10:51:00 -
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Nightmare, thank you for the link to that exquisite movie. The message it contains is one that needs to be told again and again if there's any hope of people uniting to soften the blow of an inevitable catastrophe.
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:59:00 -
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Alright, time for a bump i'll guess
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