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Darveses
printcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake I have no idea what goes on in the mind of an Eve moderator, but I suspect that at least part of this mess was down to the event being advertised in two sections of the forum which they generally frown upon.
" Events & Gatherings is the proper place for all events û including the in-game and/or role-playing ones. "
Doesn't seem like the issue was the ic x ooc post. It seems like the issue is a new policy that we haven't been communicated neither been made aware of.
Also, there aren't any rules at IGS saying that we can't host in character events there, much to the contrary. So yes, no clue .
There are however rules about cross-posting, and other threads in the past have been locked in very similar circumstances.
You're right about there not being an official rule about advertising events on the IGS, and events have been publicised there in the past, such as the Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year and your own gladiator things.
So I still think that the main issue that they had is with there being multiple threads for it.
That would mean theres no legit way to use events to advertise roleplay to the greater EVE community that doesn't read IGS.
Is that the message CCP want to project?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake I have no idea what goes on in the mind of an Eve moderator, but I suspect that at least part of this mess was down to the event being advertised in two sections of the forum which they generally frown upon.
" Events & Gatherings is the proper place for all events û including the in-game and/or role-playing ones. "
Doesn't seem like the issue was the ic x ooc post. It seems like the issue is a new policy that we haven't been communicated neither been made aware of.
Also, there aren't any rules at IGS saying that we can't host in character events there, much to the contrary. So yes, no clue .
There are however rules about cross-posting, and other threads in the past have been locked in very similar circumstances.
You're right about there not being an official rule about advertising events on the IGS, and events have been publicised there in the past, such as the Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year and your own gladiator things.
So I still think that the main issue that they had is with there being multiple threads for it.
That would mean theres no legit way to use events to advertise roleplay to the greater EVE community that doesn't read IGS.
Is that the message CCP want to project?
You also have the ISD news people at your disposal.
But they have to be even-handed. Why should RPers be able to make multiple threads to publicise their activities when non-RPers can't?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Darveses
printcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
But they have to be even-handed. Why should RPers be able to make multiple threads to publicise their activities when non-RPers can't?
Simple one - roleplayers read OOC forums, but the majority of non-roleplayers dont read IGS, so no harm done :)
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007 Honestly I would suppose that ooc posts won't be removed per default. Because IGS is the only place where you... oh wait you know that one already. Maybe if you report ooc posts and ask the mods to clean the thread they will do it...
Now, increase by tons loads moderation action towards ooc reports on an ops.... ooc forum that now is supposed to accommodate role players too. If that's the invitation CCP wants to make us... I'm sure it's time for them to reconsider this brilliant idea.
Originally by: Myra2007 Well you're probably right about the issue and all that but in the meantime I would still set up the post in the events forum. Maybe if the thread gets some attention the mods will notice how they really didn't want it there in the first place.
I role play here at eve online since starts of 2005 and believe me, due to the nature of my character ( she is a sani sabik, completely insane and polemic character, created to cause love and hate relationships alike and that's the way I want her to continue), it would be very VERY inconvenient to remove our characters from where they belong to blend with a forum like events and gatherings.
I foresee an event hosted there as In character as being completely useless and devoid of purpose to the role play community and to others as well, as the role play community would feel their immersion teared to pieces and therfore, no interest on participating, and the non role players wouldn't understand how to interact with it either.
No, it simply wouldn't work in any shape or form. I use IGS because I want to be able to reply to Rodj Blake with disdain, as my in character enemy and I use other forums to reply to him as a fellow role player with an awesome character that I enjoy a lot reading and interacting with.
Jade already made a good point on that by the way.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 08/02/2011 15:52:57
Revan...
Personally I found your attempt to get this RP competition going pretty awesome (far better than the no substance OOC ones), I thought it was going to be a fun thing to do...makes me feel pretty bad when straight answers that are forthcoming are contradictory and totally out of touch with the RPing player base. Dont give up though...just get a bigger stick to hit them with!
...best of luck to you.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses
Originally by: Rodj Blake
But they have to be even-handed. Why should RPers be able to make multiple threads to publicise their activities when non-RPers can't?
Simple one - roleplayers read OOC forums, but the majority of non-roleplayers dont read IGS, so no harm done :)
Likewise people who read CAOD probably don't always read the Events forum and vice versa.
And a lot of people who are industrialists might not see that thread about a mining competition in the Events forum - so maybe it should be cross-posted to the Industry forum?
If they make an exception for RPers, they have to make an exception for everyone.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 08/02/2011 15:52:57
Revan...
Personally I found your attempt to get this RP competition going pretty awesome (far better than the no substance OOC ones), I thought it was going to be a fun thing to do...makes me feel pretty bad when straight answers that are forthcoming are contradictory and totally out of touch with the RPing player base. Dont give up though...just get a bigger stick to hit them with!
...best of luck to you.
I believe this issue affects not me alone as an individual role player, but the whole extension of the role play community now met with this completely absurd revelation:
" Events & Gatherings is the proper place for all events û including the in-game and/or role-playing ones. "
Proper place? So all others including IGS, are now "improper" ???
If that's true, I'm not the only role player here who will need "best luck" in this regard.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Darveses
Originally by: Rodj Blake
But they have to be even-handed. Why should RPers be able to make multiple threads to publicise their activities when non-RPers can't?
Simple one - roleplayers read OOC forums, but the majority of non-roleplayers dont read IGS, so no harm done :)
Likewise people who read CAOD probably don't always read the Events forum and vice versa.
And a lot of people who are industrialists might not see that thread about a mining competition in the Events forum - so maybe it should be cross-posted to the Industry forum?
If they make an exception for RPers, they have to make an exception for everyone.
For what its worth Rodj I agree with you about the need to be even-handed and have only one thread for specific purpose. I did think there was going to be problems making two threads "events" and "igs" (and there has been in the past as well). I think it would have been fair enough for the community guys and gals to point this out and ask Revan to choose which thread could remain and which would be locked. Problem is this isn't what happened and the IGS In character one has been automatically locked against preference and hence the discussion.
Lets not lose the wood for the trees here.
Join the Revolution!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Lets not lose the wood for the trees here.
This is not even the subject of what I brought forth here. This wasn't the reason given by ccp when the ooc thread was deleted to give space to a fresh non-linked new one at IGS.
Let me make this clear:
CCP Spitfire
Posted - 2011.02.08 12:53:00 - [7]
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Hello Revan Neferis,
First of all, please let me say that we understand how much time and effort went into the preparation of this event. However, we would ask you to use the Events & Gatherings forum section to run it. While we understand the implications related to the rules of your contest, Events & Gatherings is the proper place for all events û including the in-game and/or role-playing ones.
Thank you for your understanding.
Should you wish to create a new thread in the Events & Gatherings forum section instead of the existing one, please feel free to do so. We will lock the old one at your convenience.
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Clearly his issue was : Do not post in character events at IGS. Clearly, he did NOT had an issue with possible previous posts considering that he even asked me to consider posting the new thread at the ooc forums instead. If he had issues with the cross posting before he wouldn't allow me to post the new thread at igs nor the ooc forums.
The issue here is the place it was posted: IGS to which now he says it's not suitable anymore for in character events.
Let's focus on the real issue here which is very obvious.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:34:00 -
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I used to do some small scale RP events (way back.) I would post in character banter as needed, and then add OOC remarks and information below my post.
I found that people could understand how a single post could be split in two. One section allowed me to communicate within the style and rules of "in character communication," the other section karked "OOC" would contain practical information as well as links to other forum areas/threads as needed.
This allowed the potential participants to follow the event as a single, unified thread in the proper forum area and under the "keep it In character"-rules. The elasticity of allowing the OOC "tag" increased usability of the in-char forum area.
Now all you have are middle-management types arbitrarily making up rules with little or no thought to how user actually use the forum (as evident by the utter destruction of CAOD at the hands of a very few destructive individuals.)
I've since stopped using chat. I only ever post in spite and always with a strong sense of "I hate you all and hope you choke on your own waste." If you want to know me, I am on TS in the x Hub (the best ts channel ever.)
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 08/02/2011 16:40:39
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I used to do some small scale RP events (way back.) I would post in character banter as needed, and then add OOC remarks and information below my post.
I found that people could understand how a single post could be split in two. One section allowed me to communicate within the style and rules of "in character communication," the other section karked "OOC" would contain practical information as well as links to other forum areas/threads as needed.
This allowed the potential participants to follow the event as a single, unified thread in the proper forum area and under the "keep it In character"-rules. The elasticity of allowing the OOC "tag" increased usability of the in-char forum area.
Now all you have are middle-management types arbitrarily making up rules with little or no thought to how user actually use the forum (as evident by the utter destruction of CAOD at the hands of a very few destructive individuals.)
I've since stopped using chat. I only ever post in spite and always with a strong sense of "I hate you all and hope you choke on your own waste." If you want to know me, I am on TS in the x Hub (the best ts channel ever.)
Also. WTB more immersion.
Fantastic Post. I do hope that people will take time to read that and compare things as they are now and think how they became way out of hand. If nothing else, with the new forums coming, we expect a little bit of better management and common sense.
Now ic events on ooc eve & gatherings forum? No thanks. I WTB immersion too.
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p0rkch0pz and applesauce
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:45:00 -
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This thread pretty much sums up why I will never RP.
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Kim Jong Lau
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:47:00 -
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INB4 Lock for hate crime against Mod's inconsistencies
May Sansha have mercy on you! - 0.0 will be all MINE! |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: p0rkch0pz and applesauce This thread pretty much sums up why I will never RP.
Sad times when ccp is promoting exactly this sort of feelings. With Incarna coming and players willing to promote events to encourage the eyes of a greater public having their events boycotted under petty absurd inconsistencies and forum line "placements", I guess we have yet to see what kind of future Role play holds in this game at all at this point.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.02.08 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: p0rkch0pz and applesauce This thread pretty much sums up why I will never RP.
If you play EVE at all you almost certainly RP to some extent. You just don't necessarily talk about your character's dark and mysterious past, or imitate trashy TV. -
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.08 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 08/02/2011 17:16:30
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: p0rkch0pz and applesauce This thread pretty much sums up why I will never RP.
If you play EVE at all you almost certainly RP to some extent. You just don't necessarily talk about your character's dark and mysterious past, or imitate trashy TV.
Every eve player is a role player even if they are not "aware of that". Because you log into a game where you automatically are set into a spaceship in a thousands years futuristic setting.... so on so on... This is general theory consensus and we are not really defining what role play "is" here because along the past 7 years that i play this game, I haven't found one single interpretation that pleases everyone.
What I know is: There are times I log in this game as the woman, engineer sitting at my desk playing my eve online and I want nothing else besides that. I will go to ooc chats and call my friends by their names and answer them when they ask me how's the weather in Sweden and whatelse. And when I want nothing but this from my eve online time, I stay the hell out of IGS too. Because IGS is not the place for this.
IGS, is the place for when I want to log in in game and immerse myself into the fantasy that I've created by using the tools that ccp provided me. I want to be a cultist, insane, psychotic extremelly rich woman of a futuristic seeting and let her express herself through the venue ccp provided me to do that: IGS.
So in this perspective, everyone simply know when they are role playing or not. It's a very clear concept.
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Alain Verracier Germant
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Posted - 2011.02.08 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is a bit silly this and not for the first time. I think the wider issue is the way that ccp community management respond to players wanting to run events really though. Surely the reasonable approach would be for the community staff to take a position of ...
"Hello lovely player wanting to give away a billion isk while showcasing our new avatar design system with professional-looking promo videos! How can we help you run your event? Where would you like it done? How about we matched the billion and added one of our own to make it really special (since lets face it, showing off about beautiful avatars won't do much harm to overall eve subscriptions eh!)"
Point being the community team should really be all about facilitating player-made events and encouraging them rather than being overtly concerned about being the authority of where and when they happen. Surely its good enough that people are bothering to promote these things in the first place and all they have to do is smile and have a nice warm feeling that subscribers are helping other subscribers enjoy the game and (might just) make some other people subscribe.
Ditto.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.02.08 17:33:00 -
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Discussing moderation on the forums is not allowed. If you have an issue with moderation, please file a petition.
Thread locked.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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