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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2005.01.28 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN Edited by: S3VYN on 28/01/2005 19:02:42
Suggesting that ATUK has the ability to cause any significant damage or discomfort to FIX is quite ludicrous. As suggesting FIX could do the same to ATUK would be. Don't attempt to claim that ATUK was "wtfpwning" anyone
Sorry to burst your own delusions, but use your eyes and read this:
Bob FA kill board
I would ask FA if they feel the same way.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin
Originally by: S3VYN Edited by: S3VYN on 28/01/2005 19:02:42
Suggesting that ATUK has the ability to cause any significant damage or discomfort to FIX is quite ludicrous. As suggesting FIX could do the same to ATUK would be. Don't attempt to claim that ATUK was "wtfpwning" anyone
Sorry to burst your own delusions, but use your eyes and read this:
Bob FA kill board
I would ask FA if they feel the same way.
You'd have to ask FA how they feel, I only speak for FIX and know what FIX folks think. If you're looking for a response from FA quoting my post probably won't garner one.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting by posting a link to a killboard but the majority of us know that there's nothing to be proven by saying "so and so killed so and so ships on so and so day..." so let's try not to engage in it.
Feel free to continue, if it makes you feel better. However, the issues between ATUK and FIX have either been resolved or are in the process of being resolved as far as I'm aware so there's no need to continue. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:06:00 -
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Ganking is easy.
No your not causing any discomfort. Most of our pilots enjoy watching you guys during your 'training exercises'.
My one problem with it though: Are you suppose to be flying pods around as often as you guys are?
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:12:00 -
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lol insane angel keep giving the pep talks STAN
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN You'd have to ask FA how they feel, I only speak for FIX and know what FIX folks think. If you're looking for a response from FA quoting my post probably won't garner one.
*looks at Insane's post*
Oops
*tugs on S3VYN's sleeve* Can we just bow outta this now? Negotiations resolved all this anyways.
Discussion can continue ad nauseum but we aren't adding much at this point.
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:46:00 -
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Stan you know I love you guys, its all a game.
"... this made up army you fight in your head, destroyed your world and pronounced you dead... despite the writings on the wall, my world is bigger than rather small... thats all you could ever take from me, I can not ever lose so just let me be...." - Shinedown
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mrissa Easeah
Originally by: S3VYN You'd have to ask FA how they feel, I only speak for FIX and know what FIX folks think. If you're looking for a response from FA quoting my post probably won't garner one.
*looks at Insane's post*
Oops
*tugs on S3VYN's sleeve* Can we just bow outta this now? Negotiations resolved all this anyways.
Discussion can continue ad nauseum but we aren't adding much at this point.
I think it would be best... which is why I closed with:
Originally by: S3VYN Feel free to continue, if it makes you feel better. However, the issues between ATUK and FIX have either been resolved or are in the process of being resolved as far as I'm aware so there's no need to continue.
There's really nothing left for FIX to be discussing here. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
Archonon
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Posted - 2005.01.28 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Droewa any pilots that aggress FIX pilots in FIX space will be added to our KOS list and will remain there untill FIX is satasfied that there is no longer a threat.
thank you, Droewa FIX JCoS
Put me on the list
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Droewa
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Posted - 2005.01.30 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Archonon
Originally by: Droewa any pilots that aggress FIX pilots in FIX space will be added to our KOS list and will remain there untill FIX is satasfied that there is no longer a threat.
thank you, Droewa FIX JCoS
Put me on the list
ok your added
have a nice day
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2005.01.30 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: heavyg
The council have graciouly offerd me a position within their ranks. This is a political change and has been comming for a while. I wish Black Avatar and FA all the best for the future. As a regular member of the QDF gangs then this seems a sensible move.
HG
/emote swoons
Yay woo - cya ingame soon Heavy. _________________________________
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.31 11:16:00 -
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Suggesting that ATUK has the ability to cause any significant damage or discomfort to FIX is quite ludicrous. As suggesting FIX could do the same to ATUK would be. Don't attempt to claim that ATUK was "wtfpwning" anyone and I'll try to keep FIX folks from claiming the opposite. It doesn't do anything but create unnecessary bs to go through when trying to get to the root of issues and find beneficial terms.
I think the issue has been for the most part resolved.
You call your talk 'Negotiations' , I call it 'Begging for mercy'.
Im quite comfotable in stating we could 'cause significant damage to you'. It would be wise to beat your chest less on the forum in future.
FA can put up resistance, you cannot.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.01.31 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Estios
Suggesting that ATUK has the ability to cause any significant damage or discomfort to FIX is quite ludicrous. As suggesting FIX could do the same to ATUK would be. Don't attempt to claim that ATUK was "wtfpwning" anyone and I'll try to keep FIX folks from claiming the opposite. It doesn't do anything but create unnecessary bs to go through when trying to get to the root of issues and find beneficial terms.
I think the issue has been for the most part resolved.
You call your talk 'Negotiations' , I call it 'Begging for mercy'.
Im quite comfotable in stating we could 'cause significant damage to you'. It would be wise to beat your chest less on the forum in future.
FA can put up resistance, you cannot.
Hmm, let¦s roll out the honestly shall we... WHO asked who for a diplomatic solution in the first place..and when they didn¦t get an "Ok" fast enough, they brought in other sources?
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:37:00 -
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hmmmmm....
....btw...
...nice fight yesterday dudes.
Was honorable
We see us again on the Battlefield.
Greetz ----------------------------------------- *[- V -]-Fleet Admiral*
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 31/01/2005 13:46:12
Originally by: Boldyn
Hmm, let¦s roll out the honestly shall we... WHO asked who for a diplomatic solution in the first place..and when they didn¦t get an "Ok" fast enough, they brought in other sources?
Digging your own grave for starters 101.
Requirements: beeing a small/medium sized alliance with some but not outstanding pvp experience
step 1: Acting tough on incidents even against ppl much stronger then yourself.
Step 2: Ignoring political relationships of parties you insult and generally be rude to everyone in the coming forumthreads.
Step 3: Have a big mouth on the forums & call ppl names, regardless of their positions or roles in the game.
Step 4: Boast your chest how good you are and how much the possible attackers suck compared to your leetness and skills.
Step 5: Whine how said parties suck cause regardless of their current doings (fighting other ppl) they couldnt take on you.
Step 6: Imply they are all each others lapdogs, fathers / brothers to make sure you get the maximum shotgun effect.
Step 7: Sit back and watch yourself getting owned by half the universe, still wondering why its you getting all this love.
Step 8: Call them lamers for owning you, while you plan your future ventures in and around Yulai.
GG FIX
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Silinary
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Silinary on 31/01/2005 13:47:36
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Requirements: beeing a small/mediumsized alliance with some but not huge pvp experience
This small requirement might suprise you in the result. As an alliance, it might be said that we fit that statement. As corporations and individuals, some have been in pvp since near the beginning of eve.
We'll see how it all ends up soon enough though :)
Edit: spelling
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Boldyn
Hmm, let¦s roll out the honestly shall we... WHO asked who for a diplomatic solution in the first place..and when they didn¦t get an "Ok" fast enough, they brought in other sources?
Digging your own grave 101.
Requirements: beeing a small/mediumsized alliance with some but not huge pvp experience
step 1: Acting tough on incidents
Step 2: Ignoring political relationships of parties you insult
Step 3: have a big mouth on the forums & call ppl names
Step 4: Boast your chest how good you are and how much the possible attackers suck compared to your leetness
Step 5: Whine how said parties suck cause regardless of their current doings (fighting other ppl) they couldnt take on you.
Step 6: sit back and watch yourself owned by half the universe, still wondering why its you getting all this love.
GG FIX
Step 1 Stand up for what you belive in. Step 2 Dont let bullies push you around especialy when they call out for the help of big brother. Step 3 Allow the agressors the oportuinity to display thier true colours Step 4 Fight Tooth and Nail for everything you have worked for. Step 5 Fight with dignity and honnor.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Silinary
This small requirment might suprise you in the result. As an alliance, it might be said that we fit that statement. As corporations and individuals, some have been in pvp since near the beginning of eve.
We'll see how it all ends up soon enuogh though :)
A famouos and often quoted asian strategist once found out that a group is only as strong as its weakest link.
In addition "experience in pvp" is a freely measureable value. For some camping a gate every day already falls into this, for others killing 1000000000 bs and for others again "dooing as good as you can".
As you said we will see, remember the weakest link....
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:56:00 -
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Step 1 Stand up for what you belive in. Step 2 Dont let bullies push you around especialy when they call out for the help of big brother. Step 3 Allow the agressors the oportuinity to display thier true colours Step 4 Fight Tooth and Nail for everything you have worked for. Step 5 Fight with dignity and honnor.
I changed my original post slightly but ill reply to yours.
Ive seen these replies before, NSA and FU (like someone said earlier in this thread) and last but not least by DMSA and the old CFS gang.
Draw your own conclusions where it brought them...
p.s. there is no "save game" option for alliances, if you lose you lose everything ;)
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:00:00 -
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At the moment, the only reason FIX isnt already dead as an alliance is the huge lagtraps they set up on the gates to 9CG6.
Sitting there with drones deployed and 100ships is essentially the same as taking a machete to the servers, and its done on purpose.
The second you are forced to fight on someone elses terms, you will be crushed.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/01/2005 14:06:05
Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 31/01/2005 13:46:12
Originally by: Boldyn
Hmm, let¦s roll out the honestly shall we... WHO asked who for a diplomatic solution in the first place..and when they didn¦t get an "Ok" fast enough, they brought in other sources?
Digging your own grave for starters 101.
Requirements: beeing a small/medium sized alliance with some but not outstanding pvp experience
step 1: Acting tough on incidents even against ppl much stronger then yourself.
Step 2: Ignoring political relationships of parties you insult and generally be rude to everyone in the coming forumthreads.
Step 3: Have a big mouth on the forums & call ppl names, regardless of their positions or roles in the game.
Step 4: Boast your chest how good you are and how much the possible attackers suck compared to your leetness and skills.
Step 5: Whine how said parties suck cause regardless of their current doings (fighting other ppl) they couldnt take on you.
Step 6: Imply they are all each others lapdogs, fathers / brothers to make sure you get the maximum shotgun effect.
Step 7: Sit back and watch yourself getting owned by half the universe, still wondering why its you getting all this love.
Step 8: Call them lamers for owning you, while you plan your future ventures in and around Yulai.
GG FIX
Where you party to the diplomatic talks that went on behind the scenes? no you werent.
(and if you do have chatlogs of diplomatic talks showed to you in confidence dont bother posting them thats just real lame)
ATUK did call on its big brother SE to lean on us, surely you cannot deny that. So we didnt just roll over and do your bidding immediately like you wanted us to. I guess thats the bottom line isnt it
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante At the moment, the only reason FIX isnt already dead as an alliance is the huge lagtraps they set up on the gates to 9CG6.
Sitting there with drones deployed and 100ships is essentially the same as taking a machete to the servers, and its done on purpose.
The second you are forced to fight on someone elses terms, you will be crushed.
Sadly they are not the only alliance doing that -cough-, Sitting at 100km out with drones deployed and a shedload of mobile warpdisruptors ensures usually that half the enemy fleet wont make it past jumpin. Sadly ccp refuses to reply to any of this.
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Jehnr Exec
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Lallante At the moment, the only reason FIX isnt already dead as an alliance is the huge lagtraps they set up on the gates to 9CG6.
Sitting there with drones deployed and 100ships is essentially the same as taking a machete to the servers, and its done on purpose.
The second you are forced to fight on someone elses terms, you will be crushed.
Sadly they are not the only alliance doing that -cough-, Sitting at 100km out with drones deployed and a shedload of mobile warpdisruptors ensures usually that half the enemy fleet wont make it past jumpin. Sadly ccp refuses to reply to any of this.
Aha but switching on god mode and having SE + ATUK + shinra + Evol + whoever else is coming down to pay us a visit is like perfectly justifiable.. i like the logic.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Where you party to the diplomatic talks that went on behind the scenes? no you werent.
how would you know, i for one own 3 accounts, so thats 9 possible chars i could be on.
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(and if you do have chatlogs of diplomatic talks showed to you in confidence dont bother posting them thats just real lame)
So you try to ask me to show we didnt ask for SE's help but i should not prove that by posting logs as that would be lame ? Now thats a weird form of logic you apply dude.
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ATUK did call on its big brother SE to lean on us, surely you cannot deny that. So we didnt just roll over and do your bidding immediately like you wanted us to. I guess thats the bottom line isnt it
We didnt ask for anyone to "lean" on you. We informed you what would happen if you try to get involved in our war with FA. You ignored it and you got the bill.
P.S. i find it rather amusing you chaps complaining about someone else getting involved. Considering SE told you lot they would stick up for their friends and you just gave a flyin **** about it.
Maybe you should start to use more common sense, wont make you that many enemies. Reread step 2, thats where you started to gather trouble.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jehnr Exec
Aha but switching on god mode and having SE + ATUK + shinra + Evol + whoever else is coming down to pay us a visit is like perfectly justifiable.. i like the logic.
Yes, One thing is making ingame enemies and getting yourself in trouble. The other thing is trying to influence the gamemechanics in a not supposed way to give yourself an advantage.
I dont see anywhere in the manual that it is supposed to be that defending forces can disconnect or lag out attackers to get better ratios or easy kills. You mind showing me that part of the manual ? While declaring wars, attacking other players and teaming up doing so are clearly part of the game.
On the otherhand i didnt see you complain about CA fighting the whole universe and marking that as "unfair" so maybe its related to your own situation ? Hypocat.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante At the moment, the only reason FIX isnt already dead as an alliance is the huge lagtraps they set up on the gates to 9CG6.
Sitting there with drones deployed and 100ships is essentially the same as taking a machete to the servers, and its done on purpose.
The second you are forced to fight on someone elses terms, you will be crushed.
Lol 1) why would any force want to fight on someone elses terms? 2) If you dont like it no ones forcing you to come down. 3) The defender, has allways had the home field advantage. 4) The enemy is bringing 80+ ships in, you want me to sit there solo in an ibis at 5k from the gate?
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 31/01/2005 14:24:56
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Yes, One thing is making ingame enemies and getting yourself in trouble. The other thing is trying to influence the gamemechanics in a not supposed way to give yourself an advantage.
I dont see anywhere in the manual that it is supposed to be that defending forces can disconnect or lag out attackers to get better ratios Quote:
omg /me shakes head you think only the enemy crashes out when a node goes pop? you think we dont suffer from lag too? You tink we really enjoy laggy fights? Well here goes, we see a force 60-80+ incomming. what we gonna do send in 10 inties just so you dont get lagged out?
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jehnr Exec
Aha but switching on god mode and having SE + ATUK + shinra + Evol + whoever else is coming down to pay us a visit is like perfectly justifiable.. i like the logic.
it wont hurt..
we gots a taste for your fighting style last night.. very odd that the 3 to 1 numbers you had did not jump in on us even after you pulled in your drones.. and you still didnt jump when you finally scouted us out..
Cant wait till tonight..
see you on the battlefield..
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Jehnr Exec
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Jehnr Exec
Aha but switching on god mode and having SE + ATUK + shinra + Evol + whoever else is coming down to pay us a visit is like perfectly justifiable.. i like the logic.
Yes, One thing is making ingame enemies and getting yourself in trouble. The other thing is trying to influence the gamemechanics in a not supposed way to give yourself an advantage.
I dont see anywhere in the manual that it is supposed to be that defending forces can disconnect or lag out attackers to get better ratios or easy kills. You mind showing me that part of the manual ? While declaring wars, attacking other players and teaming up doing so are clearly part of the game.
On the otherhand i didnt see you complain about CA fighting the whole universe and marking that as "unfair" so maybe its related to your own situation ? Hypocat.
Man... k if you send x amount of ships to take a station.. and the defenders put up x amount of ships to keep the aggressors at bay, if then the server cant handle it how is it the fault of the defender?
Now CA were well known for carrying out a policy of attacking everybody under the sun just for the hell of it.. nothing wrong with that.. CA became feared and one could even say admired for their incessant attacks on just about everybody.. hats off to them.
However defending your home region against the odds we are facing, without asking for it (though im sure you will go on to argue that we asked for it by our demeanour, thats just a matter of opinion and is debatable till the cows come home) is a different situation. CA had a choice in the matter we do not. That is the big difference. Your argument im afraid holds no water.... our aggressors are upon us and there is little we can do but fight back with honour.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: heavyg
Lol 1) why would any force want to fight on someone elses terms?
Its not about fighting on somenoes terms or not. Trying to create as much lag as possible to disconnect or make the game unplayable for the jumping in party is clearly not supposed to be a combat feature. Its just lame (drones at 100km out i.e. have no effect on the battle as the enemy cant warp to you or your drones cant interact with the enemy or intercept at that range apart from creating lag.
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2) If you dont like it no ones forcing you to come down.
So Fix's stance is "if you dare to fight us we will try to make as much lag as possible so you cant fight" gg ?
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3) The defender, has allways had the home field advantage.
thats true, he can pick the range, can use mobile disruptors and fit his ships according (longrange ammo etc) However this does not apply "using lag as an home field advantage" by hoping that the dronelag would be enough to top the jumpin lag so ppl get disconnected or cant play (as the jumpinlag is only for the attacker)
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4) The enemy is bringing 80+ ships in, you want me to sit there solo in an ibis at 5k from the gate?
In eve the defender can always decide to not fight so "their numbers" doesnt matter and arent an excuse for trying to "exploit" the lag to your advantage. (which lead already to a node crash yesterday)
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:40:00 -
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@ both fix posters
We have to differenciate between "big battles the server cant handle" where both sides lag the game enough to make in unplayable (lets call this scenario A), 2 fleets engaging each other and the defender polluting drones and tons of warpdisruptors to add more to the lag, even if those features wont influence the actual battle (drones at 100km do not interact and only deliberately create lag) hoping the enemy who has already jumpinlag will get tossed over by the systemlag adding up (Scenario B) and the last scenario, where both sides fight and the game crashes as a nodecrash (Scenario C).
Scenario A is sadly part of the game, 100k payed accounts and not even 100 can fight at one time in one place. Scenario B is just lame as you try to disconnect or lag out your enemy i.e. try to shut him off from the game. This is not part of the game or supposed to be a feature infact i personally consider it an exploit. Scenario C is like A an incident which happens and a Node crash doesnt just crash you or them but also other players connected to that node (which must not be in the same system if im not mistaken) i see this as a technical malfunction and as far as i know ccp replaces on this occasion ships lost.
As a conclusion regardless of my affilitation in this conflict i think eve needs a proper combatsystem which can cater the new situations and ccp should take steps to make the game playable for all its customers (many others already said this) however i can only spit on ppl who hope their enemy times out and try to provoce that by polluting the game as much as possible via drones and other known features creating lag.
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