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ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:50:00 -
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Used to be that the overall theme of Eve was 'Eve is Hard', however, everything has been turned into a isk faucet. Now everything is plagued with elitism and farming. If Eve is Hard, I can understand wanting to have the best players in your group, but to FARM...come on, the developers need to do something about the content if the game has come down to isk/hr. |
Mallak Azaria
562
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:52:00 -
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Pretty much. My current corp (using that term very loosely) wants to have fun blowing people up, but they let the isk/hr reasoning blind them every step of the way. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
seany1212
Relentless Destruction
202
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:53:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Used to be that the overall theme of Eve was 'Eve is Hard', however, everything has been turned into a isk faucet. Now everything is plagued with elitism and farming. If Eve is Hard, I can understand wanting to have the best players in your group, but to FARM...come on, the developers need to do something about the content if the game has come down to isk/hr.
Haha, haven't seen 'EvE is hard' quoted for ages, it's always been down to isk/hr, now it's just more obvious |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1015
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:54:00 -
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who cares about isk? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2429
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:05:00 -
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Who says EVE is about isk/hr?
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
214
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:08:00 -
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EVE is only about ISK/hr to those who make it about ISK/hr
I have been here since 2007 and could give a **** less about ISK/hr. As long as I have ISK in my wallet to get the stuff I need, who cares if i'm maximizing my potential for ISK. Having too much ISK makes you complacent anyway since you no longer need to work for anything.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Lexmana
708
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:14:00 -
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you need to get out more |
Adam Junior
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:18:00 -
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I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient". |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
216
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:23:00 -
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Adam Junior wrote:I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient".
Pretty much this.
Once you throw the entire idea of ISK/hr out the door, and go for ISK/fun you will enjoy eve much more.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
929
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:41:00 -
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The sandbox lets you make eve as dull as you want. |
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ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:51:00 -
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Eve is a sandbox. It's what we make it. Of course, greater rewards go to those who take the effort; either by more clicking or more thinking or some combination of both.
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stoicfaux
1482
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:06:00 -
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Bots don't care. Set them up to do your mining, manufacturing, and basic logistics while you focus on the essentials of blowing other players up?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:15:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:who cares about isk?
Seriously. I don't understand what everyone needs all this isk for. Isk for buying ships- ships are for blowing up other peoples ships. I only ever have about 300-500m liquid isk at a time. I fly a ship in the fleet, the ship explodes. I post the loss. Buy a new ship. Loss gets reimbursed. The cycle continues.
What the hell do you guys do with all your isk? 10b officer fit CNR's?? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1704
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:16:00 -
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What people need to realize is that you can have a passive income in the 20B a year range with next to no effort. Then you needn't worry at all about paying for the ships you lose so you can go out in space and have some actual fun.
Sadly, people rarely think outside what the tutorial teaches them. And what does it teach them? The two least productive ways to make ISK in the game.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Evei Shard
115
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:22:00 -
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Eve has been around for quite a while. Maybe the issue isn't that it's all about farming, but that enough time has passed for the long term players to get themselves into farming patterns.
Farming Ore Farming kill mails Farming materials Farming ships
In those examples, the one that stands out to me is farming kill mails. PvP, the core activity of Eve, has gotten to the point where it is so well known, that people can effectively farm PvP kills. It's been mentioned before that PvP in Eve is a paper/rock/scissors game. Maybe there is some truth to that. If that is the case, then PvP itself can become farming.
This is all conjecture, but if there is any validity to it, It would point towards Eve needing some changes to make the overall environment a lot more dynamic. CCP is probably looking into making changes like that anyway, but it's definitely not a one-patch fix. Profit favors the prepared |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4599
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:33:00 -
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I visited a farm once, it had cows and other animals. Was very unlike EVE I must say.
/c
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
312
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:38:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Used to be that the overall theme of Eve was 'Eve is Hard', however, everything has been turned into a isk faucet. Now everything is plagued with elitism and farming. If Eve is Hard, I can understand wanting to have the best players in your group, but to FARM...come on, the developers need to do something about the content if the game has come down to isk/hr.
if you are tired of seeing farmers how about you move to where there are no farmers?
Jesus, all people do lately is cry on the forums Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
365
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:18:00 -
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Isn't ISK the endgame for some people? Who are you to say that's right or wrong? And, the fun thing about this game is, you can always stop them farming if it annoys you. Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1664
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:23:00 -
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I bet people who worry about isk/hr are a hoot at parties. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1875
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:27:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I visited a farm once, it had cows and other animals. Was very unlike EVE I must say.
/c
Give the cows layzors and put drugs into the water to make them paranoid. Then it'll be like Eve |
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
224
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:41:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I visited a farm once, it had cows and other animals. Was very unlike EVE I must say.
/c
UNTRUE!!!!!
I can go trade livestock in Jita right now....
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
148
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:54:00 -
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Fitting
Cattle
8x Judgement
7x Estamels invuln Field 1x 10000Mn Megamicrogiganewton MWD II
3x Civilian armour repairer I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1664
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:42:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Adam Junior wrote:I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient". Pretty much this. Once you throw the entire idea of ISK/hr out the door, and go for ISK/fun you will enjoy eve much more.
And there we have it.
The insane people are all space rich....and all the happy people be space poor.....
I for one welcome our insane space rich overlords |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
30
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Posted - 2012.08.21 23:01:00 -
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I make isk doing things I enjoy doing. I just happen to Enjoy running Anoms in null-sec, level 4 missions in high-sec, mining regardless of where, and occasionally playing the market.
I find PvP mind numbingly boring most of the time. Besides, the people coming into the system I call my home base have all been running away as soon as more than three people + logi un-dock.... Why won't they play with me? Before you say Blob I don't think we've out numbered them by more than one or two and we have been out numbered once or twice.
Sorry, I rambled off subject. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
70
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Posted - 2012.08.22 03:07:00 -
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I am a trader and don't know many people who do PvP, but I feel sorry each time I hear that they're broke. :*( |
Dennis Gregs
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.08.22 03:13:00 -
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I'm guilty of the isk/hr addiction. When I started I always said I'll gather some money before doing something fun, just so I could have a "pillow" of isk just in case I need it in my travels, however eventually I liked just stockpiling isk.... I don't know, just having and making a lot of isk effortlessly is kind of fun on its own after all. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:00:00 -
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You don't have to farm a thing in this game if you don't want to.
Change the topic to "Eve *players* are farming because they want to and it pisses me off because its not what I want them to be doing" and it will be intellectually honest. |
Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:03:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Bots don't care. Set them up to do your mining, manufacturing, and basic logistics while you focus on the essentials of blowing other players up?
Bots are for c**ts, just saying (edit: swear protection didn't kick in) |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
124
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:10:00 -
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There is a lot of ways to play Eve, but without ISK in your wallet everything is harder. The pursuit of ISK is a central premise of the game. With ISK you can fly better ship, fit better ships, afford to lose ships ... just to name a small portion of the endless list of ISK related ways to improve your in game life.
That said, making ISK in Eve is relatively easy if you function as a group and see your ISK as a community effort made available to those that need it. I play this game with a small crew of people I know in RL and we basically use the Corporate Wallet as our personal wallets, all ISK earned by anyone flows in and all ISK spent by anyone flows out. The end result is a perfect system that allows us to focus on the fun parts of the game because for any individual expenditure their is always more than enough ISK there. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
124
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:18:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Used to be that the overall theme of Eve was 'Eve is Hard', however, everything has been turned into a isk faucet. Now everything is plagued with elitism and farming. If Eve is Hard, I can understand wanting to have the best players in your group, but to FARM...come on, the developers need to do something about the content if the game has come down to isk/hr.
Is that your feeling or do you have any facts?
I mean, the carebears (defined by ISK/hour thinking) have ever been in here forever, but I don't think that this makes the majority of the player base... |
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
44
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:19:00 -
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isk/hr vs $/hr that is the question what is fun is it worth the time or is it the dime sometime a plex make me feel its too easy not fun no risk no fun |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1784
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:26:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Now everything is plagued with elitism and farming.
Are you sure that you haven't just become more aware of "elitism" and farming? If you stop being concerned about ISK/hr yourself, you'll find that the game is fun again :)
Join faction warfare, they are more concerned about blowing stuff up than making ISK (though even there you'll find people farming complexes for LP to turn into ISK).
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
16
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:52:00 -
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It happens when you mention "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" at the wrong time.
Kind of need to teach a player how far their rookie ships and frigates go AND have them blown up before they discover the "Market" button, THEN mention it. Otherwise, you run the risk of them getting addicted to shiny ships.
Edit: The increased mineral prices before Inferno 1.2 didn't help much either. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
87
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Posted - 2012.08.22 10:29:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Isn't ISK the endgame for some people?
But that's the point - they've chosen to make it their endgame while ignorning the other possibilities. That's not a problem, whereas if the game was designed so that it was the only possible endgame, that really would be. It's actually just the same as people who refused to take the proper steps to protect their hulk and then cried a river of tears over being ganked by a destroyer. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
207
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:45:00 -
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Adam Junior wrote:I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient".
Well you're obviously a complete scrub. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Adam Junior
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
38
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:51:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Adam Junior wrote:I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient". Well you're obviously a complete scrub.
I try to be l33t but my mum won't let me :( |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
207
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:52:00 -
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Adam Junior wrote: I try to be l33t but my mum won't let me :(
Next time pay for your own PLEX "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
61
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:15:00 -
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OMG OMG THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PLAY A SANDBOX GAME DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO? BURN THEM! Got my Dust514 key... |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
29
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:45:00 -
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ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin wrote:Eve is a sandbox. It's what we make it. Of course, greater rewards go to those who take the effort; either by more clicking or more thinking or some combination of both.
THIS, eve dev's also understand the carrot and stick reward to keep the cart moving. but here's a fact you may find interesting, you know how they catch monkeys in SE Asia? they put a piece of fruit in a heavy wooden box with a hole no bigger then the hand of said monkey, the monkey gets the fruit then tries to leave only to discover it's hand is now too big, people start coming monkey, monkey tries to flee but can't it could if it would only let go of that piece of fruit. yeah, eve is like that. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:48:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:who cares about isk?
People that want to buy sheet. |
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Stroh Blatz
Dirty Martini Clinical Operations
1
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:48:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Chribba wrote:I visited a farm once, it had cows and other animals. Was very unlike EVE I must say.
/c Give the cows layzors and put drugs into the water to make them paranoid. Then it'll be like Eve
Cows with frickin lazer beams? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2453
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:35:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Isn't ISK the endgame for some people? Who are you to say that's right or wrong? And, the fun thing about this game is, you can always stop them farming if it annoys you. How much isk is the endgame? Isk for its own sake makes no sense.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
Alexa Coates
Shadow Core Conglomerate
167
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:39:00 -
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People farm because everything is still too goddamn expensive. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
235
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:43:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:highonpop wrote:Adam Junior wrote:I find income to be more ISK/Sanity, and that it's important to find an income source which doesn't make me want to cut myself, even if it's not the most "efficient". Pretty much this. Once you throw the entire idea of ISK/hr out the door, and go for ISK/fun you will enjoy eve much more. And there we have it. The insane people are all space rich....and all the happy people be space poor..... I for one welcome our insane space rich overlords
errrhm not really.
I know a ton of people who have fun playing this game that are space rich. That doesn't mean they concentrate on ISK/hr
I knew guys in HS that would not PvP or anything that did not maximize their ISK/hr potential. If all you do is sit around and maximize your ISK/hr, you'll never enjoy EVE, remember its a game meant to be enjoyed. If you can't enjoy the game, why play it?
If all you do is sit around and farm ISK all day, what will you spend that ISK on? A fat wallet looks nice, but why have all that ISK if you are not going to spend it?
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
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