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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.13 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 12/02/2011 12:08:49 The only one making some sense in this thread is Copine (except for his quoted numbers - Cane doing 900+ DPS to 30km? wat).
ahhh sorry, I wasn't very clear on my last post. My cane gets 700+ from 30-32km with barrage and jav HAMs, 900+ from 20-22km with RF EMP and CN HAMs, 950+ from 11-12km with Hail and rage HAMs. 1100 or so with Hail, RHAMS and top rack heated
Granted I have basically maxed skills and an expensive set of dmg implants, so those numbers aren't really achievable by the avg EVE player.
ITT, we do not understand how falloff works.
I understand perfectly well how falloff works you dolt. The real question is why do you believe it necessary to calculate falloff damage reduction when comparing the dps of AC's that have the same falloff and the same optimal?
protip: the damage reduction (in %) will be the same.
Redundant maths and wasted time ftw I guess...
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.13 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Lilith Velkor Place #18 in that statistic is the Nyx, this is a supercarrier. Are you trying to argue there are more Nyxes flying around than Rifters?
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case .. hahahahaha.
Aside from the sad truth that there are indeed too many supercaps around as the last QEN did show, it is just another example of how arbitrary the data we are looking at is.
Supercarriers are not solo or small gang ships. If you assume there are about 10 Nyxes on each mail, which is entirely reasonable if you look at the typical capital kill with supers involved, that already inflates our numbers tenfold.
So the 16k kills we see are in reality around 1600 kills. That is undeniably still a lot, but certainly not more than the amount of kills that have Rifters involved each month.
It is just that the Rifters dont come in packs of 10 or more, and are not a very popular choice in situations where masses of kills are generated in one run like large-scale fleet engagements.
Now this doesnt even account for damage done or anything like that, you can be on a killmail without having any impact on the kill whatsoever. Hence what I'm saying, the metric is largely useless.
In my opinion, a good metric would be solo kills broken down by shiptype, and gang-related kills broken down by damage done and only partially awarded to the contributing shiptype according to the amount of damage done.
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teh mole
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Posted - 2011.02.13 11:04:00 -
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I haven't looked at all these posts but has anybody mentioned the unprobable, 1k dps, 15k alpha, at 170km Machariel? 2 shots from that beast and most T1 battle cruiser fits (except the drake, ferox, and prophecy) will die.
It can effectively solo camp a lowsec gate without a single counter. 2 or 3 of them in a gate camp would sure to annoy a many lowsec dweller.
[Machariel, Monster] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II Sensor Booster II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Ionic Field Projector II
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x10
You need a loki with a mind link (sig reduction) and a set of low-grade jackal implants to make this work optimally. Can hit from about 170km with republic EMP.
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Lusien Numienesse
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.13 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: teh mole
It can effectively solo camp a lowsec gate without a single counter. 2 or 3 of them in a gate camp would sure to annoy a many lowsec dweller.
Covert ops gets warp in, gang comes in and swiftly takes down your Machariels with no tank.
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Kingwood
Amarr Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.13 13:57:00 -
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Why is this thread still going.
I'll just repeat myself: Cynabal and Machariel are fine. Dramiel could need a little nerf, but only because it is pretty much a better replacement for every frigate in the game, be it interceptor or assault frig.
That is the reason why I'd support a Dramiel nerf, not because it "enables people to solo PvP against larger numbers". Solo/Small scale PvP'ers tend to gravitate towards fast ships because most idiots in Eve like to bring overwhelming odds against a solo roamer. Fast ships are good, stop whining.
I could fly a Cynabal with maxed out skills, but I still prefer the Hurricane, btw.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.13 14:19:00 -
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Oy. Eight pages.
Let's just buff hybrids and call it a day. I'm not sure I care about this quite as much as I used to. ששששש
Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.02.13 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored Oy. Eight pages.
Let's just buff hybrids and call it a day. I'm not sure I care about this quite as much as I used to.
I still want to see the ****ty pirate ships buffed.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.13 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
ITT, we do not understand how falloff works.
I understand perfectly well how falloff works you dolt. The real question is why do you believe it necessary to calculate falloff damage reduction when comparing the dps of AC's that have the same falloff and the same optimal?
protip: the damage reduction (in %) will be the same.
Redundant maths and wasted time ftw I guess...
What you're stating is your Damage in AC optimal. You do not get 900 DPS at 20 km with HAMs and EMP M.
yussss I know this.
as far as 900dps @ 20km goes, obv you do not do your full damage from that far, I give the numbers on the assumption that anybody who PvP's already knows to take damage loss into account, and also will be attempting to close to optimal range.
I've basically written it in shorthand, expanded v is this '900+dps in optimal, start shooting @20km', much easier to write it as 900+dps from 20km. 900dps being max dmg possible, 20km being max effective range.
Moot point as the guy who tried to troll me took my post out of context ^^
Reason I posted dps figures in the first place was comparing cyna with emp to cane with barrage. Because both ships guns have the same range (give or take a k), I didn't find it necessary to bother calculating the real world dps figure. Both ships suffer the same relative dps loss, you can get away with using optimal range dps values.
eg. optimal dmg on a cane with barrage and javhams 710ish dps, cyna with emp and HH II's 600ish dps (16% difference). Real world dps @ 30km on cane is 420ish dps, cyna 350ish dps (16.5% difference)
Sooo yeh, there's a slight deviation due to the extra k or so optimal from barrage, but it's statistically insignificant imo. If you and your opponent are using the same range guns there is no need to calculate damage loss from falloff. You will be doing the same amount more relative damage that you will do in your optimal range.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.02.14 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored Oy. Eight pages.
Let's just buff hybrids and call it a day. I'm not sure I care about this quite as much as I used to.
I like how the thread went from zomg nerf angel cartel speed because I can't catch and kill it in my slow arse ship to zomg angel cartel pwn in all roles so nerf all aspects of it nao plx.
fuvking s&m trolls need to be put down imho.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Van Steiza on 14/02/2011 11:26:57 Edited by: Van Steiza on 14/02/2011 11:26:15 Edited by: Van Steiza on 14/02/2011 11:25:50 Edited by: Van Steiza on 14/02/2011 11:25:07 Edited by: Van Steiza on 14/02/2011 11:21:41 I dont know about you guys....
But ive been killing LOTS of dramiels vagabonds n what not in my Harbinger...... Dual web harbi.... but then im not your average pvp'er.
Seee look at all these little kills.
There perfectly fine as they are..
Ive killed cynabals and what not with the exact same fit.
To say there impossible to kill is ******ed.
All it takes is a little technieque and abit of intelligence and youve got yourself a nice killmail to look at. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters. |
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Salvia Olima
The All-Seeing Eye Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:30:00 -
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To the op: learn to fit tracking disruptors and fly TD bonused ships against Angel ships, this easy.
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Kepakh
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Van Steiza
But ive been killing LOTS of dramiels vagabonds n what not in my Harbinger...... Dual web harbi.... but then im not your average pvp'er.
On the contrary, you are the very average.
1) 4 Dramiels kills out of 88 frigate kills isn't 'A LOT'. 3 of them were killed a BC, the last one was gang ****. 2) Your most flown(and only?) frigate is guess what...Dramiel. 3) Personal killboards means nothing.
Little technique, yeah? You seriously want to make some point here?
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau I'm back pedalling and trying to e-peen numbers in there (1100 dps from a cane wtf) and still don't know how falloff works. Either that or I'm just stating numbers like an idiot and it's uncertain which is worse
Yup.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kepakh
Originally by: Van Steiza
But ive been killing LOTS of dramiels vagabonds n what not in my Harbinger...... Dual web harbi.... but then im not your average pvp'er.
On the contrary, you are the very average.
1) 4 Dramiels kills out of 88 frigate kills isn't 'A LOT'. 3 of them were killed a BC, the last one was gang ****. 2) Your most flown(and only?) frigate is guess what...Dramiel. 3) Personal killboards means nothing.
Little technique, yeah? You seriously want to make some point here?
Mate i was talking about alot of kills in the binger not OVERALL.
For the last 2 days dramiel wise that is alot.
I have other chars i use to i was just providing a view to show it isnt impossible
People complain that you need a recon or recon(s) to counter dramiels n cynabals and what not but thats not true.
They often say that a you cant kill dramiels n what not easily but it is quite easy yeah is in a harbinger but the majority of people would not be able to kill that dramiel if they get tackled alone by it due to the fact it will get under there guns a single web doesnt work 2 webs definately.
My point is it isnt impossible. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters. |
Kepakh
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Van Steiza
My point is it isnt impossible.
No one is arguing that.
People are arguing that Dramiel is way better than any other comparable frigate such as AF or even other faction crap and that it is way too fast while still having lots of HP and damage.
That is what is balancing about, not about if you can kill it or not. It is about if pros and cons of the ship are even to ships of the same class or given frame. Dramiel has no cons at all.
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Kingwood
Amarr Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Van Steiza
Originally by: Kepakh
Originally by: Van Steiza
But ive been killing LOTS of dramiels vagabonds n what not in my Harbinger...... Dual web harbi.... but then im not your average pvp'er.
On the contrary, you are the very average.
1) 4 Dramiels kills out of 88 frigate kills isn't 'A LOT'. 3 of them were killed a BC, the last one was gang ****. 2) Your most flown(and only?) frigate is guess what...Dramiel. 3) Personal killboards means nothing.
Little technique, yeah? You seriously want to make some point here?
Mate i was talking about alot of kills in the binger not OVERALL.
For the last 2 days dramiel wise that is alot.
I have other chars i use to i was just providing a view to show it isnt impossible
People complain that you need a recon or recon(s) to counter dramiels n cynabals and what not but thats not true.
They often say that a you cant kill dramiels n what not easily but it is quite easy yeah is in a harbinger but the majority of people would not be able to kill that dramiel if they get tackled alone by it due to the fact it will get under there guns a single web doesnt work 2 webs definately.
My point is it isnt impossible.
Yeah, you sure are a special Eve player being able to kill Dramiels while the rest of Eve gets killed by a single tackling Dramiel due to not having dual webs.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:51:00 -
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I do agree againts other ships of its class it can be overpowering yes.
I have seen slicers DESTROY them however as well as ishkurs easily but as you say but yes they do have a tendancy for people to gravitate towards them due to there high survivability when compared to other frigates.
This is simply due to peoples mentality though people hate loosing ships so they go for the one with the best chance of surviving in a fight (dramiels) ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters. |
Van Steiza
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood
Originally by: Van Steiza
Originally by: Kepakh
Originally by: Van Steiza
But ive been killing LOTS of dramiels vagabonds n what not in my Harbinger...... Dual web harbi.... but then im not your average pvp'er.
On the contrary, you are the very average.
1) 4 Dramiels kills out of 88 frigate kills isn't 'A LOT'. 3 of them were killed a BC, the last one was gang ****. 2) Your most flown(and only?) frigate is guess what...Dramiel. 3) Personal killboards means nothing.
Little technique, yeah? You seriously want to make some point here?
Mate i was talking about alot of kills in the binger not OVERALL.
For the last 2 days dramiel wise that is alot.
I have other chars i use to i was just providing a view to show it isnt impossible
People complain that you need a recon or recon(s) to counter dramiels n cynabals and what not but thats not true.
They often say that a you cant kill dramiels n what not easily but it is quite easy yeah is in a harbinger but the majority of people would not be able to kill that dramiel if they get tackled alone by it due to the fact it will get under there guns a single web doesnt work 2 webs definately.
My point is it isnt impossible.
Yeah, you sure are a special Eve player being able to kill Dramiels while the rest of Eve gets killed by a single tackling Dramiel due to not having dual webs.
Leave me alone lol its so early i need to word myself a little better lol :( ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 14/02/2011 13:18:30
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau I'm back pedalling and trying to e-peen numbers in there (1100 dps from a cane wtf) and still don't know how falloff works. Either that or I'm just stating numbers like an idiot and it's uncertain which is worse
I'm an idiot and should learn to shut my mouth before arguing with better/more knowledgeable players. You're right and I'm going to run my mouth regardless, this is because I fail as an EVE player and human being
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 14/02/2011 13:18:30
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau I'm back pedalling and trying to e-peen numbers in there (1100 dps from a cane wtf) and still don't know how falloff works. Either that or I'm just stating numbers like an idiot and it's uncertain which is worse
I'm an idiot and should learn to shut my mouth before arguing with better/more knowledgeable players. You're right and I'm going to run my mouth regardless, this is because I fail as an EVE player and human being
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That's fine. Except most would fly the cane with dual neuts and stay well out of hail-range. But sure, anything is possible. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
That's fine. Except most would fly the cane with dual neuts and stay well out of hail-range. But sure, anything is possible.
Yeh that's all fine for cautious pilots I guess. I don't do that ^^ 17:1 k/d ratio over the 2-3 years, I think I'm doing fine the way I'm playing atm.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 14/02/2011 13:45:46
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Misanth
That's fine. Except most would fly the cane with dual neuts and stay well out of hail-range. But sure, anything is possible.
Yeh that's all fine for cautious pilots I guess. I don't do that ^^ 17:1 k/d ratio over the 2-3 years, I think I'm doing fine the way I'm playing atm.
As I said, anything is possible.
K/d ratio is the dumbest argument to pull ever tho, just FYI. For all we know, you could sit 100km+ in a SB, decloak+TP and cloak, to ***** millions of km at near zero risk. Yawn.
Edit; to prove that point, I just checked BC. My main's at 70:1 K/D atm. That excludes hundreds of kills tho since those are POS mods and I refuse to give full API to killboards. Hera Darkthorn (rank 2 at BC) has 13:1 and El'Tar (rank 3) 11:1. I guess we both know better than them, then? - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Edited by: Misanth on 14/02/2011 13:45:46
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Misanth
That's fine. Except most would fly the cane with dual neuts and stay well out of hail-range. But sure, anything is possible.
Yeh that's all fine for cautious pilots I guess. I don't do that ^^ 17:1 k/d ratio over the 2-3 years, I think I'm doing fine the way I'm playing atm.
As I said, anything is possible.
K/d ratio is the dumbest argument to pull ever tho, just FYI. For all we know, you could sit 100km+ in a SB, decloak+TP and cloak, to ***** millions of km at near zero risk. Yawn.
Edit; to prove that point, I just checked BC. My main's at 70:1 K/D atm. That excludes hundreds of kills tho since those are POS mods and I refuse to give full API to killboards. Hera Darkthorn (rank 2 at BC) has 13:1 and El'Tar (rank 3) 11:1. I guess we both know better than them, then?
Hah, yeh I see your point. I'll put it this way, that cane setup kills lots of stuff, got enough dps that you don't need to worry much about kiting the enemy, you can just go in close and unload and stuff dies well before you hit armour. I'm not claiming you can solo well piloted BS, but any BC/HAC/HIC/CS? Yeh you can make em cry or force em to warp. It suffers vs active tanked ships with tracking disrupters.
Think of it as the minnie gankbrutix
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Edit; to prove that point, I just checked BC. My main's at 70:1 K/D atm. That excludes hundreds of kills tho since those are POS mods and I refuse to give full API to killboards. Hera Darkthorn (rank 2 at BC) has 13:1 and El'Tar (rank 3) 11:1. I guess we both know better than them, then?
On a lark, I just checked Battleclinic. Apparently I have a 7:1 kill ratio.
Except I don't really post killmails at all. Never have.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Hah, yeh I see your point. I'll put it this way, that cane setup kills lots of stuff, got enough dps that you don't need to worry much about kiting the enemy, you can just go in close and unload and stuff dies well before you hit armour. I'm not claiming you can solo well piloted BS, but any BC/HAC/HIC/CS? Yeh you can make em cry or force em to warp. It suffers vs active tanked ships with tracking disrupters.
Think of it as the minnie gankbrutix
It probably has a nice surprise factor as well, since most will expect another ship. It lacks alot of the utility I'd prefer it to have tho, personally.
But now we're derailing from the already derailed falloff discussion. This was about angel cartel ships, wasn't it? To get back on subject, I pretty much agree with below:
Originally by: Kingwood Cynabal and Machariel are fine. Dramiel could need a little nerf, but only because it is pretty much a better replacement for every frigate in the game, be it interceptor or assault frig.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Misanth
Edit; to prove that point, I just checked BC. My main's at 70:1 K/D atm. That excludes hundreds of kills tho since those are POS mods and I refuse to give full API to killboards. Hera Darkthorn (rank 2 at BC) has 13:1 and El'Tar (rank 3) 11:1. I guess we both know better than them, then?
On a lark, I just checked Battleclinic. Apparently I have a 7:1 kill ratio.
Except I don't really post killmails at all. Never have.
Yah, I am being selective about what I post since a while back, and tend to not post at all with certain characters. Am seriously considering to stop post it altogether. There's very little benefit with posting mails, and alot by not doing so.
But I guess for nullsec alliances, or mercs, I guess it's a nice weapon in the morale-boosting (or morale-killing) wars. But now we're derailing, again. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 14/02/2011 13:18:30
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau I'm back pedalling and trying to e-peen numbers in there (1100 dps from a cane wtf) and still don't know how falloff works. Either that or I'm just stating numbers like an idiot and it's uncertain which is worse
I'm an idiot and should learn to shut my mouth before arguing with better/more knowledgeable players. You're right and I'm going to run my mouth regardless, this is because I fail as an EVE player and human being
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When giving numbers you will ofcourse use overheat, because that's a logical comparison. Sure you'll USE it, but that's not the point. Also, still :hail:
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
When giving numbers you will ofcourse use overheat, because that's a logical comparison. Sure you'll USE it, but that's not the point. Also, still :hail:
Well, yeh. I mean I did say that was with heat
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau 1100 or so with Hail, RHAMS and top rack heated
also, you don't use hail on a ship with multiple TE II? lol
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.14 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: teh mole I haven't looked at all these posts but has anybody mentioned the unprobable, 1k dps, 15k alpha, at 170km Machariel? 2 shots from that beast and most T1 battle cruiser fits (except the drake, ferox, and prophecy) will die.
It can effectively solo camp a lowsec gate without a single counter. 2 or 3 of them in a gate camp would sure to annoy a many lowsec dweller.
[Machariel, Monster] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II Sensor Booster II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Ionic Field Projector II
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x10
You need a loki with a mind link (sig reduction) and a set of low-grade jackal implants to make this work optimally. Can hit from about 170km with republic EMP.
This is obviously overpowered because almost every lolsec gate I come to has this setup guarding it. I mean after all if 3 billion worth of ships can block a gate the game is broken.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2011.02.14 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau also, you don't use hail on a ship with multiple TE II? lol
2 Canes, exact same fit but one with RF EMP and one with Hail. Transversal is 206m/s. So to answer your question; no, I don't.
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