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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:24:00 -
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Folks, you need to look at the money trail to determine what the outcome will be. So...
Botters earn a crap ton of isk. They use this isk to buy plex, thus play for free. People, looking for isk in the game, will use real money to purchase plex which they then sell for isk to the botters (as well as legit players).
So... where's that real money going?
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:25:00 -
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How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP
Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside?
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:37:00 -
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Itd be funny if they directly worked for them I meant
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 17/02/2011 17:50:40
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Id say be careful what you expose to the light. Get a story too big an youll get banned for exposing it
That has been CCP's habit.
Whistleblowers tend to get banned for some mythical "EULA Violation" when if you read the EULA (which is probably illegal in many, if not most locales, EULA legality is certainly FAR from established precedent) it is so ridiculously one sided that CCP can ban you for anything they wish and at the same time aren't even obliged to provide you ANYTHING for your sub fees. It is truly that ridiculous.
It wouldn't surprise me if CCP accused the writer of that article of "OMG HAX!" (like they did K----) and then not substantiate that accusation with any evidence (again like they did with K----) when all he did was fly around and basically write down what he saw and permaban him and everyone they can find on his friends list.
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP
Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside?
It's worse than even that.
The botters reduce the value of honestly earned ISK by flooding the market with ISK that doesn't belong there, AND reduce the value of minerals/loot that you might honestly collect and sell on the market by flooding it with illegitimately farmed/mined material.
And, yes, the botters stimulate the PLEX market by creating demand. They also create n artificial floor for PLEX prices because of the sheer number they purchase, thus AGAIN delivering a whammy to an honest player who legitimately rats/mines to purchase a PLEX every month for his account.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.17 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rhes
Originally by: Furb Killer
Lets get a more accurate source then, captainktainer from your TEST brosefs about his ISK making, who is a atm among most reliable sources:
Quote: This would go a lot faster if there were systems in Deklein that weren't botted to hell so I could jew up a Maelstrom. I mean, Jesus Christ, Goons. ****.
Are there bots in nullsec? Sure. Is the "problem" as rampant and as serious as evenews24 is going on about? No, it's not.
For EN24 stirring up drama provides them more pageviews where actual facts and objectivity don't.
I like how you rebut their argument with saying "No it isn't". Goons at their best. ** Warning Signature Detected ** If you need to douche, please do it at home. |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.17 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jack BingKaria If bots get out of game.
The mineral market will crash as well, there will be a HUGE decrease of new minerals on market. Means miners will earn way more isk, however a lot of ships will become too expensive to use, due to bots gone and mining take "real man" hours.
CCP will get a balance problem, since BPO's amounts are basically BALANCED with having bots in game.
I say GREAT! Less big ships = better fights, I can't believe you actual believe the vomit you posted here. Please stop botting and play the game.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.17 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP
Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside?
I don't believe that is a fair judgement. Consider this:
evil_botter makes 350m isk per day (~ 1 PLEX). He needs one PLEX per month to sustain the account. That leaves him with at least 10b isk for the regular month. Now what is evil_botter going to do with all that isk? Via third party websites he could sell those isk directly to other players. Let's say he sells 350m isk for 10$ while a PLEX is 15$ (not sure how accurate that is but it's just an example).
stupid_joe who needs isk real urgently comes along and is happy to see that he can save $5 on this deal. Now instead of buying a PLEX from CCP for $15 and selling it for 350m on the market he just buys 350m isk directly for only $10. So that COSTS CCP $15! The damage done here is very real. So while the botter may buy 1 PLEX himself he also keeps 29 stupid people from buying a PLEX every single month.
Now how exactly does that put CCP in the green? Please explain that to me maybe I just don't get it. --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.17 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 17/02/2011 18:54:07
Originally by: Myra2007
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira How funny would it be if the botters worked for CCP
Indirectly, they do. Every plex they trade for is real money in CCPs pockets. That's why there appears to be a conflict of interest. Who knows how much money per month they'd lose if they actually stopped the botters? Would they consider it worth it to do so, or is the real world cash too much to toss aside?
I don't believe that is a fair judgement. Consider this:
evil_botter makes 350m isk per day (~ 1 PLEX). He needs one PLEX per month to sustain the account. That leaves him with at least 10b isk for the regular month. Now what is evil_botter going to do with all that isk? Via third party websites he could sell those isk directly to other players. Let's say he sells 350m isk for 10$ while a PLEX is 15$ (not sure how accurate that is but it's just an example).
stupid_joe who needs isk real urgently comes along and is happy to see that he can save $5 on this deal. Now instead of buying a PLEX from CCP for $15 and selling it for 350m on the market he just buys 350m isk directly for only $10. So that COSTS CCP $15! The damage done here is very real. So while the botter may buy 1 PLEX himself he also keeps 29 stupid people from buying a PLEX every single month.
Now how exactly does that put CCP in the green? Please explain that to me maybe I just don't get it.
Evil botter has more than one account. Evil botter has many accounts. Probably some of those accounts were ones once owned by people that bought the ISK off evil botter in the past. Regardless, evil botter is indirectly paying, through isk, much more than 15 per month. Yes, they're in turn selling isk to players who buy it from them instead of CCP. However, you'll notice that there are a lot more warnings from CCP against buying isk from someone else than there are about botting. However... this is a good point... is the guaranteed income from the bots greater or less than the projected income from real players if the bots didn't exist? If we know that answer, then we know if there's any incentive to remove bots.
To be fair... we also can't discount the possibility that it's incredibly difficult to stay ahead of bot coders. Perhaps they're making attempts that are being beaten as fast as they're introduced, I don't know.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:47:00 -
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Botox Botulinum
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.18 05:48:00 -
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Why have I not seen a post talking about fighting fire with fire. How hard would it be to create a bot that just ****s with other bots? You could have a bot in high sec in a ship with an MWD and just keep ramming hulks out of mining range. Not sure about 0.0 but I'm sure something could be done. Then we could all sit in stations when Incarna comes out admiring our beautiful bods and bet on bot wars :p
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Jita mcheck
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Posted - 2011.02.18 06:03:00 -
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This is getting more and more notice from gaming news sites as well as the general population in both eve and other games. CCp will be forced to do something soon with all the bad publicity.
Hopefully we get more than a nothing blog about RMT that completely ignores bots used by players. Need a line here |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.18 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Whistleblowers tend to get banned for some mythical "EULA Violation" when if you read the EULA (which is probably illegal in many, if not most locales, EULA legality is certainly FAR from established precedent) it is so ridiculously one sided that CCP can ban you for anything they wish and at the same time aren't even obliged to provide you ANYTHING for your sub fees. It is truly that ridiculous.
You don't -have- to agree to the EULA. Send them a mail letting them know that you choose not to agree to their terms.
Mind you, they might choose not to sell their product to you, but you do have a choice.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.18 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Jack Gilligan Whistleblowers tend to get banned for some mythical "EULA Violation" when if you read the EULA (which is probably illegal in many, if not most locales, EULA legality is certainly FAR from established precedent) it is so ridiculously one sided that CCP can ban you for anything they wish and at the same time aren't even obliged to provide you ANYTHING for your sub fees. It is truly that ridiculous.
You don't -have- to agree to the EULA. Send them a mail letting them know that you choose not to agree to their terms.
Mind you, they might choose not to sell their product to you, but you do have a choice.
The EULA specifically states that by entering the game you agree to the EULA. If you choose not to agree, the burden is on you to uninstall the game and not play it. Agreement is required to play, period.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.18 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Jack Gilligan Whistleblowers tend to get banned for some mythical "EULA Violation" when if you read the EULA (which is probably illegal in many, if not most locales, EULA legality is certainly FAR from established precedent) it is so ridiculously one sided that CCP can ban you for anything they wish and at the same time aren't even obliged to provide you ANYTHING for your sub fees. It is truly that ridiculous.
You don't -have- to agree to the EULA. Send them a mail letting them know that you choose not to agree to their terms.
Mind you, they might choose not to sell their product to you, but you do have a choice.
The EULA specifically states that by entering the game you agree to the EULA. If you choose not to agree, the burden is on you to uninstall the game and not play it. Agreement is required to play, period.
You have the choice not to play. Not much of a choice if you still want to play but its there ----------------------------------------- If you dont learn from the past you are doomed to repeat it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469262&page=2#51 |
Joshua Cy
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:20:00 -
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CCP in the advertisements for EVE claim it has a player run economy. Does it? Or is it a bot run economy? Is CCP guilty of false advertising?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Cy CCP in the advertisements for EVE claim it has a player run economy. Does it? Or is it a bot run economy? Is CCP guilty of false advertising?
Technically, the people running the bots are defined as players, so technically no. However it is bot-supressed.
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jita mcheck This is getting more and more notice from gaming news sites as well as the general population in both eve and other games. CCp will be forced to do something soon with all the bad publicity.
Hopefully we get more than a nothing blog about RMT that completely ignores bots used by players.
CCP is like a fat kid who farted but won't admit it. Look at them posting in every thread about botting saying that we should only post in one thread. So we have 99 threads about stupid character portraits, yet only 1 thread for botting?
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Archbeholder CCP is like a fat kid who farted but won't admit it. Look at them posting in every thread about botting saying that we should only post in one thread. So we have 99 threads about stupid character portraits, yet only 1 thread for botting?
Indeed, this is about the only subject that gets that attention. If they're consistent, the forum would have about 4 unlocked threads, since the rest are just the same **** over and over.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:56:00 -
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My new crackajack theory is that CCP knows who every botter and RMT is, and that they are trying to keep the financing coming in until Incarna is released, and then KABOOM perma bans for all. Maybe they are milking it.
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sarah mcjimmy
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel My new crackajack theory is that CCP knows who every botter and RMT is, and that they are trying to keep the financing coming in until Incarna is released, and then KABOOM perma bans for all. Maybe they are milking it.
I saw/read something somewhere whereby botters/gold farmers were banned shortly before quarterly profits were announced. Bans = resubs = more money. Can't remember which MMO it was but quite sneaky.
I suppose a similar thing happened when M$ banned all those modded 360s when MW2 came out.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:28:00 -
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Looks like there are two more to add to that bot list
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