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Marlowe Fox
Gallente The Ouroboros Partnership
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Marlowe Fox on 11/02/2011 22:10:44 EVE Olympics.
0-50k - open to Frigates and Interceptors 4x4 50k Relay - (baton transferred via jet can) planet orbit (marathon) - LOL
edit: feel free to add your own events or bite my fingers until they bleed.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:14:00 -
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that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
also han shot first _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
also han shot first
The line does make sense.
The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily-used routes in the Galactic Empire. Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs.
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Devon Ardell
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Devon Ardell on 11/02/2011 22:22:47
The kessel run defines a route around a black hole (the maw).
The standard run is 18 parsecs, so doing it in 12 is quite an accomplishment - a shorter route is significantly more dangerous and requires a faster ship moving closer to the event horizon....
That or George Lucas is a muppet who has no idea that a parsec is a measure of distance...
EDIT: and someone got there before me with a copy paste from the star wars wikia... but Lucas is still a muppet :) |
mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:22:00 -
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Your gibberish alarms and confuses me.
If you're advertising some event, fail on using the right forums, and good luck on getting anybody to go to an event where the organizer isn't responsible enough to post where it's supposed to be.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 11/02/2011 22:25:32
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
Originally by: wikipedia The Falcon is often connected to the Kessel Run, a pathway from Kessel past the Maw Black Hole Cluster used by smugglers to transport precious Glitterstim spice. Solo in A New Hope brags that the Falcon made the Kessel Run in "less than twelve parsecs". As this is a unit of distance, not time, different explanations have been provided. In the fourth draft of the script, Kenobi "reacts to SoloÆs stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation." In the Expanded Universe, it refers to his ability to move the ship closer to the Maw's black holes and therefore cut the distance traveled. On the A New Hope DVD audio commentary, Lucas comments that, in the Star Wars universe, traveling through hyperspace requires careful navigation to avoid stars, planets, asteroids, and other obstacles,[11] and that since no long-distance journey can be made in a straight line, the "fastest" ship is the one that can plot the "most direct course", thereby traveling the least distance. The novelization backs away and changes the line to "twelve Standard Time Units."
The "Solo did take a shortcut by skirting the black hole cluster" theory gets quoted a lot by Star Wars fans (some smuggler apparently managed to cut the route even further).
Originally by: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily-used routes in the Galactic Empire Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec was a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs. The smuggler, BoShek, actually beat Solo's record in his ship, Infinity, but without cargo to weigh him down. A few months later, Han Solo beat both his own and BoShek's records in a run he made with Luke Skywalker.
edit: took time to look up sources, got beaten to the comment by 2 other posters . nerds...
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
also han shot first
The line does make sense.
The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily-used routes in the Galactic Empire. Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs.
That sounds like bull**** nerds have invented to try to come up with an explanation that makes sense of the situation. It assumes that Solo knows that a backwater peasants have a decent understanding on galactic traderoutes and navigation in the maw and that the maw was canon at that point. It also defies common sense, since when a total stranger asks how fast your boat is, you don't answer "it can make the "insert trade route" in 100 miles". It's hilarious to see nerd try to defend such obvious BS lines instead of accepting the more logical and likely alternatives.
One of those more likely explanations, that fits with Hans character and is supported by the actual script, is this:
Quote: In the revised fourth draft of A New Hope in 1976, the description for "Kessel Run" is put as follows:
It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs! Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.
So it implies that the puzzling speech of Han Solo is "misinformation" and not truth, and it has nothing to do with the nature of the Kessel Run in any respect. Han means nothing other than impressing Obi-Wan and Luke with pure boasting. Indeed, even in the final version of the script, the parenthesis attached to Han's line states that he is "obviously lying."
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Marlowe Fox
Gallente The Ouroboros Partnership
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin Your gibberish alarms and confuses me.
Hmm perhaps you shouldn't take things so seriousley.....
If you're advertising some event, fail on using the right forums, and good luck on getting anybody to go to an event where the organizer isn't responsible enough to post where it's supposed to be.
again...see reference to taking things too seriousley.
Lolz...
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Marlowe Fox
Gallente The Ouroboros Partnership
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:05:00 -
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Sorry im just bored @ work...atleast i know more about the exploits of Han solo and the millenium falcon now.
My fingers hurt...stop biting my fingers!!!
Aren't we allowed to be silly here ? is it it just reserved for super important eve'ness stuffs?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
also han shot first
The line does make sense.
The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily-used routes in the Galactic Empire. Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs.
no, it still doesn't make any sense. why would you boast about your ship making a particular trip in an extraordinarily short distance rather than an extraordinarily short time? _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 11/02/2011 23:12:26 Uber nerd incoming:
Hyperspace travel in Star Wars was very simple. You could not travel through hyperspace near gravitational wells (black holes, suns, planets...), they would pull you out of hyperspace into real space. The better your navcomp's jump calculations, and the better your hyperspace engine, the closer you could skirt such things without leaving hyperspace.
Solo stating he made the run under a specific unit of DISTANCE rather than TIME meant he had found a route that was shorter than any other previously discovered (i.e. by the black hole cluster).
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate no, it still doesn't make any sense. why would you boast about your ship making a particular trip in an extraordinarily short distance rather than an extraordinarily short time?
because Mos Eisley was a "den of smugglers and thieves" and he would assume anyone he talked to in that bar would know wtf he was talking about and be suitably impressed.... ♥
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:10:00 -
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Chaos, you are one ugly guy.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:12:00 -
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Confirming Lucas is a muppet.
Would you like to know more?
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Rhohan
Minmatar Marauders
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:14:00 -
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I would have to say that those explantions came after to fact to try to make sense of what made no sense.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 11/02/2011 23:22:10
That line was supposed to show that Han was full of BS by using a parsec as a measure of time. (Ben Kenobi smirked at Han's response, IIRC.)
Later, in order to make the line make sense, the lore explained the Kessel Run as Han having taken an impressively short (and dangerous) route around/through a cluster of black holes.
Basically, what's the shortest route between A and B that doesn't involve getting sucked into a black hole.
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin Your gibberish alarms and confuses me.
If you're advertising some event, fail on using the right forums, and good luck on getting anybody to go to an event where the organizer isn't responsible enough to post where it's supposed to be.
Do you understand this? Go back to wow
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 11/02/2011 23:22:10
That line was supposed to show that Han was full of BS by using a parsec as a measure of time. (Ben Kenobi smirked at Han's response, IIRC.)
Later, in order to make the line make sense, the lore explained the Kessel Run as Han having taken an impressively short (and dangerous) route around/through a cluster of black holes.
Basically, what's the shortest route between A and B that doesn't involve getting sucked into a black hole.
That would be like a sailor confusing knots with fathoms.
i guess i should feel proud that my nerdiness allowed me to know exactly what he meant the first time i heard it.. well before i read any of the books.
gonna go give myself a gold star now. ♥
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Rhohan
Minmatar Marauders
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Hyperspace travel in Star Wars was very simple...
Considering all that was written after the first movie, I can see why.
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Pricecheck sama
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum That would be like a sailor confusing knots with fathoms.
more like a submariner than a sailor, navigating 3 dimensional space is not the same as navigating the surface of a sphere!!
anyway, we all use warp drive and jump gates. the kessel run is for chumps ! get a Cyno ::)
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:48:00 -
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Confirming that Solo was supposed to look stupid - however the rest of the movie proved that he was far from stupid and would not have made an error like that as his life depended on it. Guess it slipped through like a lot of stuff does as even characters can morph and change during the filming process.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:50:00 -
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>examine Star Wars in detail >find stupidity
Nothing to see here folks. -
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 11/02/2011 23:55:29
Originally by: Rhohan
Originally by: Awesome Possum Hyperspace travel in Star Wars was very simple...
Considering all that was written after the first movie, I can see why.
because... its... fiction?
edit: in all seriousness, it was lucas who eff'd up (he didn't try to make solo look dumb, he just didn't know parsec = distance), can't be arsed to look for the interview unless i'm bribed with pics of your g/f nakie, isk, or beer... preferably all 3. ♥
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Zyx Shewma
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate that line doesn't even make any sense, a parsec is a unit of distance not time
also han shot first
traveling 'faster than light' requires the manipulation of space-time.
So, what he said is true, from a certain point of view...
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 11/02/2011 23:55:29
Originally by: Rhohan
Originally by: Awesome Possum Hyperspace travel in Star Wars was very simple...
Considering all that was written after the first movie, I can see why.
because... its... fiction?
edit: in all seriousness, it was lucas who eff'd up (he didn't try to make solo look dumb, he just didn't know parsec = distance), can't be arsed to look for the interview unless i'm bribed with pics of your g/f nakie, isk, or beer... preferably all 3.
I can send you pics of beer and isk. Will that work?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Super Failure
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:30:00 -
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Epic thread hijack.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:50:00 -
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A) Lucus has no idea how to write a consistent plot. B) When ships all travel at "near light" the only way to "win a race" is to shorten the distance.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2011.02.12 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Hyperspace travel in Star Wars was very simple.
People tend to underestimate the complexity of hyperspace travel. It was at one point widely held to be as simple as dusting crops, until a seasoned pilot and navigator cleared up the issue.
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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
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Posted - 2011.02.12 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: F''elch on 12/02/2011 02:10:59
Originally by: Pricecheck sama
Originally by: Awesome Possum ...navigating 3 dimensional space is not the same as navigating the surface of a sphere!!
And travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy!
Edit: Just noticed I got pipped by Caldari Citizen2009021.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.02.12 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Christy Chaos, you are one ugly guy.
_____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.02.12 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Alpheias on 12/02/2011 03:48:40
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Richard Christy Chaos, you are one ugly guy.
Yup. I didn't want to say anything that could be hurtful, but Chaos is like beyond help.
*noms bacon-flavored popcorn* |
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