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RoCkEt X
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.02.17 11:30:00 -
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so.. is it a bug or an intended feature that the supercarrier remote ECM burst can jam other supercaps.... ?
wasnt sure where to post this, but meh, this seems good.
**** Trolls are welcome, Idiots are not, EVE knows you're dumb, Just why, it forgot!
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:05:00 -
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Pics or it didn't happen
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:10:00 -
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Technicly the supercaps ain't ewar immune.. I mean neuting and nos still works, right? -
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ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
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Posted - 2011.02.17 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Technicly the supercaps ain't ewar immune.. I mean neuting and nos still works, right?
<facepalm> Are you f'n serious? Nuets and vamps are not ewar. </facepalm>
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente The White Mantle
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Posted - 2011.02.17 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: ChYph3r
Originally by: Misanth Technicly the supercaps ain't ewar immune.. I mean neuting and nos still works, right?
<facepalm> Are you f'n serious? Nuets and vamps are not ewar. </facepalm>
Fact they are under Enginering(Spl) might suguest that...
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Corska Zrai
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.02.17 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: ChYph3r
Originally by: Misanth Technicly the supercaps ain't ewar immune.. I mean neuting and nos still works, right?
<facepalm> Are you f'n serious? Nuets and vamps are not ewar. </facepalm>
Sure they are. They are Engineering Warfare modules.
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Kuhn Arashi
Caldari Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 19:13:00 -
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capacitor warfare =/= Electronic warfare.
Also to the OP
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Pics or it didn't happen
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RoCkEt X
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kuhn Arashi capacitor warfare =/= Electronic warfare.
Also to the OP
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Pics or it didn't happen
trust me i've tested it both on live server and on the test server, firing an ecm burst can break the locks on other supercaps. i cant post pics because theres no actual jamming UI bar like when you get jammed normally. It just breaks lock with no message/log given... i can provide fraps i guess when i get home tomorrow...
-rock
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:39:00 -
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Was under the impression that Supercaps were immune to targeted EWAR. ECM Bursts are not targeted EWAR just like HIC/Dictor bubbles. I believe the only exception to this is the scripted inifinipoint of a HIC. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.02.17 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: RoCkEt X
Originally by: Kuhn Arashi capacitor warfare =/= Electronic warfare.
Also to the OP
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Pics or it didn't happen
trust me i've tested it both on live server and on the test server, firing an ecm burst can break the locks on other supercaps. i cant post pics because theres no actual jamming UI bar like when you get jammed normally. It just breaks lock with no message/log given... i can provide fraps i guess when i get home tomorrow...
-rock
Built to represent the last word in electronic warfare, combat recon ships have onboard facilities designed to maximize the effectiveness of electronic countermeasure modules of all kinds. Filling a role next to their class counterpart, the heavy assault ship, combat recon ships are the state of the art when it comes to anti-support support. They are also devastating adversaries in smaller skirmishes, possessing strong defensive capabilities in addition to their electronic superiority.
Developer: Khanid Innovation
In addition to robust electronics systems, the Khanid Kingdom's ships possess advanced armor alloys capable of withstanding a great deal of punishment. Generally eschewing the use of turrets, they tend to gear their vessels more towards close-range missile combat.
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness and 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level.
Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level
Neuts and vamps are e-war, in the technical sense. Supercaps are also vulnerable to warp disruption from a scripted field generator.
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Flex Nebura
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2011.02.18 04:07:00 -
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This happened to me on Sisi. SuperCarrier dropped it during my DD cycle.
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.18 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: RoCkEt X
Originally by: Kuhn Arashi capacitor warfare =/= Electronic warfare.
Also to the OP
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Pics or it didn't happen
trust me i've tested it both on live server and on the test server, firing an ecm burst can break the locks on other supercaps. i cant post pics because theres no actual jamming UI bar like when you get jammed normally. It just breaks lock with no message/log given... i can provide fraps i guess when i get home tomorrow...
-rock
Built to represent the last word in electronic warfare, combat recon ships have onboard facilities designed to maximize the effectiveness of electronic countermeasure modules of all kinds. Filling a role next to their class counterpart, the heavy assault ship, combat recon ships are the state of the art when it comes to anti-support support. They are also devastating adversaries in smaller skirmishes, possessing strong defensive capabilities in addition to their electronic superiority.
Developer: Khanid Innovation
In addition to robust electronics systems, the Khanid Kingdom's ships possess advanced armor alloys capable of withstanding a great deal of punishment. Generally eschewing the use of turrets, they tend to gear their vessels more towards close-range missile combat.
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness and 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level.
Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level
Neuts and vamps are e-war, in the technical sense. Supercaps are also vulnerable to warp disruption from a scripted field generator.
So, supercapitals are being cheated, right?
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RoCkEt X
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:00:00 -
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i must have missed the part where this thread became about neuts?....
i'll re-state.... NEUTS = capacitor warfare, not ewar
remote ecm burst I = ewar, and can break locks on supercapitals...
**** Trolls are welcome, Idiots are not, EVE knows you're dumb, Just why, it forgot!
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 18/02/2011 18:42:02
Originally by: RoCkEt X i must have missed the part where this thread became about neuts?....
i'll re-state.... NEUTS = capacitor warfare, not ewar
remote ecm burst I = ewar, and can break locks on supercapitals...
Here's a pretty darn detailed guide that might help others understand where you're coming from. Though I agree with you on principle, I can't help but view any type of module that uses capacitor to affect another ship's abilities without actually doing any physical damage as Ewar.
Because we don't know the mechanics behind some of the modules used in EVE in terms of the actual physics involved, we can't REALLY know what is truly ewar and what is not. Ewar was defined as any action involving the use of Electromagnetic Spectrum to control the Electromagnetic Spectrum, but has since been modified to include the use of directed energy to attack an enemy or impede enemy assaults via the EM Spectrum. Since we can't know for sure whether or not the modules in EVE use the EM spectrum at all, we can't even say anything in EVE is truly Ewar, unless we can assume the definition has been upgraded in the future, or that all modules use the EM Spectrum in the future world of EVE.
Edit: As to the actual topic of this thread, I always assumed Remote ECM Bursts were designed to break locks on ALL targets within range, including capitals. However, since a capital ship's sensor strength is so great compared to the ECM Burst's strength, you'd think it would be damn near impossible to work on a cap ship. Never really put much thought in to this since I don't fly nor do I have any plans to fly a cap ship. _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank. |
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: RoCkEt X so.. is it a bug or an intended feature that the supercarrier remote ECM burst can jam other supercaps.... ?
wasnt sure where to post this, but meh, this seems good.
I think you would want to submit a bug report about it. https://bugs.eveonline.com/login.asp?t=%2Fnewbugreport.asp%3F&rc=1
I am not 100% sure myself... but I was always under the impression, targeted or not, ECM was not supposed to affect SuperCaps at all.
Thanks
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Ryoko Zelin
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 18/02/2011 18:42:02
Originally by: RoCkEt X i must have missed the part where this thread became about neuts?....
i'll re-state.... NEUTS = capacitor warfare, not ewar
remote ecm burst I = ewar, and can break locks on supercapitals...
Here's a pretty darn detailed guide that might help others understand where you're coming from. Though I agree with you on principle, I can't help but view any type of module that uses capacitor to affect another ship's abilities without actually doing any physical damage as Ewar.
Because we don't know the mechanics behind some of the modules used in EVE in terms of the actual physics involved, we can't REALLY know what is truly ewar and what is not. Ewar was defined as any action involving the use of Electromagnetic Spectrum to control the Electromagnetic Spectrum, but has since been modified to include the use of directed energy to attack an enemy or impede enemy assaults via the EM Spectrum. Since we can't know for sure whether or not the modules in EVE use the EM spectrum at all, we can't even say anything in EVE is truly Ewar, unless we can assume the definition has been upgraded in the future, or that all modules use the EM Spectrum in the future world of EVE.
Edit: As to the actual topic of this thread, I always assumed Remote ECM Bursts were designed to break locks on ALL targets within range, including capitals. However, since a capital ship's sensor strength is so great compared to the ECM Burst's strength, you'd think it would be damn near impossible to work on a cap ship. Never really put much thought in to this since I don't fly nor do I have any plans to fly a cap ship.
Ewar disrupts electronic systems. be it Targetting computers, tracking computers. etc. Capacitor draining is a different form of war fare altogether.
Also why any of this matters when supercaps are "Immune to ewar" (Aside from poss bug mentioned here) and are easily neuted with no trickery should point out that CCP agrees.
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