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Kaspersky
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Posted - 2005.01.29 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kaspersky on 29/01/2005 22:29:00 I have recently invested heavily in the tech II components and I am finding it near impossible to compete with components handed out by agents. There is absolutely no way I can produce the tech2 components for the prices they are being sold on the market!
To make things worse, the price of advanced materials in some cases is so high (above base) that it's just not funny - some materials are selling for 37400% above base value. Some components are not even on the market or are so scarece there is just not enough in circulation (Fermionic condensates, ferrogel).
The only solution I can see to this problem is to stop agents handing out tech2 components. At the moment building t2 components is a farce and need some input from ccp.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: FZappa on 29/01/2005 21:59:08 you mean the reactors ,which on base price should cost around 12k to make ?
or the cpus , who should cost around 10k
or the thrusters ? (10k)
if you are paying 800 isk for an 80isk advanced component its your own stupidity that is killing your profit. wait until ccp fixes the POS stats . when they become easyer to manage price will drop like stones and profits will follow .
plenty of people are selling bulk components from production , you need to do a little bit more homework i guess and know your prices before going on an all out whine spree .
and no , component agent rewards should never be removed , you might not use t2 ships but i prefer my ceptors to cost less then 40mil isk each. -------------------------
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Kaspersky
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:54:00 -
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Yep I stand by my original argument - agent rewards of tech 2 components need to be stopped. Whats the point of trying to build them if people can get them from agents and sell them at much cheaper prices - absurd!
And the prices you are quoting are as rediculous - base prices they may be but nobody is selling them at those prices - you need to check YOUR figures out.
Anybody relying on agent rewards to build tech2 ships is a noob and should be podded on sight. Anybody serious about t2 building and worth his salt will be constructing their own components with bps. Agents have plenty of modules for handing out, it is not necessary to hand out t2 components which are supposedly part of an economy. Agents dont hand out minerals or ore for this very reason.
If you look at the markets you will find that the components themselves are selling in small quantities which indicates to me that they are agent handouts. No where have I found huge amounts of bulk as you report.
Please only post if you have anything constructive to say.
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Zell
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:49:00 -
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Oh,
So you are saying that if you can't support/own/ a POS you are not allowed to build anything requireing T2 unless you buy from POS oweners?
So iin effect, take the materials out of multipule sources and put them in your hands (POS owners), so you can chage rediculoious prices instead of the runners..
I see.....
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Blazde
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Posted - 2005.01.30 02:11:00 -
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Contact me ingame for Fermionic Condensates at competitive prices.
Ferrogel unfortunately I can't help with, on the lookout for a supplier myself. __________________
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Kaspersky
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Posted - 2005.01.30 03:31:00 -
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Zell, it's not the materials that are coming from multiple sources its the components themselves. Anybody can build tech2 components, you just need access to more and cheaper materials (from POS owners).
If components are to be supplied by agents then why not supply the raw materials and the advanced materials as well? Hell, why not do away with POS altogether and let the agents run EVE. Just a thought ;)
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.01.30 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kaspersky Yep I stand by my original argument - agent rewards of tech 2 components need to be stopped. Whats the point of trying to build them if people can get them from agents and sell them at much cheaper prices - absurd!
maybe because these people spent countless hours doing repeatitive and sometimes boring missions and should be rewarded with something worthwhile as well ?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.01.30 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: FZappa
Originally by: Kaspersky Yep I stand by my original argument - agent rewards of tech 2 components need to be stopped. Whats the point of trying to build them if people can get them from agents and sell them at much cheaper prices - absurd!
maybe because these people spent countless hours doing repeatitive and sometimes boring missions and should be rewarded with something worthwhile as well ?
That's a bunk argument - for a start agent runners get all sorts of goodies, and most importantly of all they get standings. POS owners, however, have been slammed with the stick of no return - CCP has admitted that, it is in the process of being fixed. At this time POS are about as useful as chocolate fireguards.
And they probably don't taste as nice.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.01.30 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
That's a bunk argument - for a start agent runners get all sorts of goodies, and most importantly of all they get standings. POS owners, however, have been slammed with the stick of no return - CCP has admitted that, it is in the process of being fixed. At this time POS are about as useful as chocolate fireguards.
And they probably don't taste as nice.
that does not mean that fixing one thing (POS) should also totally fubar an other thing (agent rewards) . standings are all whoopydo nice , but ever tried buying a battleship with standings ? . implants are as rare as flying pigs , mission loot drops are worst then 0.5 belt rats drops . what nice rewards are agent runners getting if not components ? -------------------------
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2005.01.31 00:24:00 -
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I run missions. I own POSes.
And I say remove tech 2 components from agents. It was nice whle we didn;t have an alternative source but right now they are a pain in the jacksey and the number one thing preventing global POS ownership from being viable.
CCP have long stated that their goal is to have a player-run economy. This will go a hell of a long way towards making such a bold statement a reality.
And for those of you who say us agent-runners don;t get anything nice, what are your LP counts right now?
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Oosel
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Posted - 2005.01.31 15:02:00 -
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for the smaller corps that cannot operate pos as they will not be allowed into 0.0 alliances the agents bonuses allow them to at least have a stab at making a few t2 items....you take away the bonuses from the agents you more or less cut out a lot of the fun for the vast majority of players who dont play eve for more than 2-3 hours a day at most....
we run agents and a pos but you cannot lose sight of a big number of players who wont be able to and as much as people will call them empire carebears they to pay their monthly subs and should be allowed to feel like they too can have fun even if not at the level of the big alliances
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