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Dead Bait	Posted - 2011.02.20 06:38:00 - [1] Seriously, I should be able to **** a buffer tanked raven starting at 25% shields (I know) in less than 10 volleys. Did bombers get the nerf bat?
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.20 10:02:00 - [2] Really? Why should you be able to **** that BS that only has 25% shields left? You're a single ship. You do one type of damage. He may be tanked for that damage type specifically. Your torp skills might suck as well as your ability to fit your ship to apply their DPS. You don't know what 25% is unless you know what his fit and skills are. Did you factor other forms of tank? So no, we don't have much evidence here from your post here to indicate that stealth bombers may have been "stealth-nerfed". We only have evidemce that you are mad bro
Meridith Akesia Tempest Legion	Posted - 2011.02.20 12:29:00 - [3] Maybe ravens got buffed?
Conor Todaki 1st. Pariah Malefactor corp. The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.02.20 12:32:00 - [4] Nope they feel the same to me.
Perramas Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures	Posted - 2011.02.20 13:20:00 - [5] No but my Jboots are slower.
Dead Bait	Posted - 2011.02.20 19:49:00 - [6] Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36 I was so ****ed when they nerfed journeyman boots. But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig. I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber. An opinion of mine is all, and I was asking a serious question. No need to troll. It has been a bit since I roamed as a bomber, I just remember being able to do a lot more damage against battle ships.
Arrakis Shai Caldari Deja Vu Holding	Posted - 2011.02.20 20:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Dead Bait . I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) Just my 2 cents, but with the angels firing at my strongest natural resists, I'd be more inclined to put on invulns than to tank for specific types. Especially if there was a chance of someone jumping me.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.20 20:37:00 - [8] AB BS, or ganglinks to help sig & speed??
3 14rate	Posted - 2011.02.20 22:08:00 - [9] Edited by: 3 14rate on 20/02/2011 22:10:16 Originally by: Dead Bait I was using faction thermal torps... Were you in a Nemesis? If not then that is your problem. Each SB gets a torpedo dmg bonus to its race-specific damage to the tune of 15%/level of CovOps. (Amarr-EM, Gallente-Thermal, etc.) So, of course, using the wrong torps neuters your fit. Hope this helps.
Batelle Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.21 01:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Dead Bait Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36 But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig. I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber. since shields are naturally good against explo, he could have just been running 2x invulns. EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Mocam	Posted - 2011.02.21 03:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Dead Bait Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36 I was so ***ed when they nerfed journeyman boots. But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig. I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber. An opinion of mine is all, and I was asking a serious question. No need to troll. It has been a bit since I roamed as a bomber, I just remember being able to do a lot more damage against battle ships. Faction Thermal - So a Nemesis. If not - you were using the wrong torps. STANDARD torps, on a bonused SB, will do more damage than off-type faction torps. As such I'll assume you knew that and fit it with the right torps. If not - drop the following resist number by quite a bit. You would be lucky to hit 2700 alpha. I'm not sure how much damage would be without specifics to the situation applied but here's about where your break point would be: Torp skills at 4, covert ops at 4, 1 BC II... roughly 3500 damage per volley max*... Roughly 85% "effective" resists on him against thermal. This will get you to the 500 range for how much you land per volley. Fairly high resists for a Raven but quite doable.
Qui Rune	Posted - 2011.02.21 12:52:00 - [12] I hate to hijack... But is it true that you do not get Torp bonus' on a SB when using faction Torps??
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2011.02.21 13:24:00 - [13] no you are all wrong. 25% itself got buffed and is now equal to 67% before the buff, but onviously is still called 25% because changing the name too would confuse people. i hope this has helped.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.21 17:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Qui Rune I hate to hijack... But is it true that you do not get Torp bonus' on a SB when using faction Torps?? Faction torps do get bonuses from the ship. What the poster above was saying is that the bonus to faction torps is less important that firing the right kind of damage in a SB.
Celeste Benal	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:35:00 - [15] Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:07:00 - [16] Edited by: Missm Uppet on 22/02/2011 07:08:51 Originally by: Celeste Benal Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong. We were discussing the attacking ship's bonus to damage, you're brining typical resistvity of the defending ship into the equation now. While your statement is important to consider, it is not as important the damage bonus.
Smart Bomb	Posted - 2011.02.26 07:36:00 - [17] Send me a mail in game Dead Bait.
Dalomar Avalhar	Posted - 2011.02.28 14:00:00 - [18] Hi Why dont just ask the guy, or remember to ask about the res. next time you encounter someone. They might or might not tell you ;) In my experience its a good way to analyze the outcome and you will gain some more experience on the matter. If its someone your are likely to encounter again they might not tell you :) Btw were you in 0.0? if you were you should have bombed him first. Heres a guide to stealth bombers its pretty good, you can take want you want and leave the rest? but note its for fleets not solo as it doesnt have a point. http://amerrylifeandashortone.blogspot.com/2010/08/stealth-bomber-guide.html if you want to go solo read this instead http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1202308/page/1
Droidster	Posted - 2011.02.28 16:55:00 - [19] Yes! And it was a STEALTH nerf! _____________________________________________ I am not an alt
King Sieve	Posted - 2011.03.16 20:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Perramas No but my Jboots are slower. Classic!
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2011.03.18 08:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Celeste Benal Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong. Bring it on, wohooo, I dwell in sansha part of space - the hell ill even fleet ya so u have no trouble finding me and my caldari ratter. Regards I.
Izuru Hishido Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society	Posted - 2011.03.30 03:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Perramas No but my Jboots are slower. My switchblade is slower too, maybe they nerfed them too. ----------------- "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Sajeera	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:52:00 - [23] Originally by: 3 14rate Edited by: 3 14rate on 20/02/2011 22:10:16 Originally by: Dead Bait I was using faction thermal torps... Were you in a Nemesis? If not then that is your problem. Each SB gets a torpedo dmg bonus to its race-specific damage to the tune of 15%/level of CovOps. (Amarr-EM, Gallente-Thermal, etc.) So, of course, using the wrong torps neuters your fit. Hope this helps. I think after this post the OP realized why he hits for 500 and ran away embarrassed
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:47:00 - [24] Another random thought.... Are you sure the raven was passive tanked? And are you sure he wasn't pimped... I've run into a lot of ratting NC ships that pimp themselves out with Dread Guerista's IF and the like... Also, had he finished off the other NPC's shooting him? Without their additional dps, sometimes a sb's dps isn't enough!
Baron Munchousen	Posted - 2011.03.31 13:12:00 - [25] Hmm, went for a coffee and completely forgot what I was going to say. Normally I would do some trolling about now, but I really can't be bothered. Have a nice day.

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