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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:29:00 -
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I first started playing eve last year just before Hulkagddon 3 started and lost my retriever to a ganker shortly after it concluded. That attack was the 3rd attempt made to gank a ship I was flying and to date, the only successful one. (Hats off to Raider 06 for using a T2 fitted Caracal. The loot drop made up the difference between my insurance and the cost of my Retriever).
At the time I was amused but also dismayed that the game would allow such behavior. I felt like a wildebeest at the waterhole being preyed upon by savage animals in the wilderness.
Over time though I began to understand what it is about Eve that makes it special. It is the freedom to choose your own path and to interact with the game without having Big Brother look over your shoulder and tell you what you can and cannot do. It seems that there should be at least 1 game out there brave enough to allow that kind of freedom and I have become much more of a fan of Eve then I might have been otherwise.
To new players I can only offer this bit of wisdom. Once you become more skilled and more knowledgeable your ability to make ISK grows quickly and your ability to avoid putting yourself in obvious danger becomes second nature. I myself have not had to fend off a ganker in several months which is a vast improvement over the first 3 I spent in the game.
If I were to lose my Hulk tomorrow I would just salute the ganker and buy another. My first has paid for itself several times over and is now not even my second most expensive ship. The point being that the losses that seem insurmountable today to a young player will be nothing more than a drop in a bucket by the time Hulkageddon 5 comes around. The game is designed for you to be successful and if you keep playing, you will be.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:43:00 -
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I'm thinking this might be an alt post
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:49:00 -
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Really? What makes you say that?
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage I'm thinking this might be an alt post
You must be the Amazing Karnak.
As I said, one learns not to put ones self in dangerous situations and I don't need some happy fellow deciding that I haven't been ganked enough.....
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A Research Alt
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:55:00 -
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I can't post in CAOD so I'm posting here
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Alty McExpendable
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:56:00 -
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Sup dawg.
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Ehnea Mehk
Minmatar ODATRIK Integrated Solutions
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Posted - 2011.02.23 06:03:00 -
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People can have a change of heart once they understand EVE a little better. When I first heard about Hulkageddon III as a new player, I called the participants bullies and thugs in a forum post.
After a short conversation with a fellow player and taking the time to read the EVE Documentation on what this game really was about, I had a change of heart and posted an apology to everyone in the forums for the "bullies and thugs" remark.
Most people who join EVE come from other MMOs so they have a pre-conceived notion on what EVE should be. In the end, the game is not the one that needs to change: it's the new players who must change or they will not be happy here.
Ehnea Mehk
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raney ilara
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Posted - 2011.02.23 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: raney ilara on 23/02/2011 07:06:29
Quote: When I first heard about Hulkageddon III as a new player,I called the participants bullies and thugs in a forum post.
I like EvE's open ended sand box; I wouldn't change it.. but I have no illusions about most who participate in Hulkageddon. They are bullies and thugs. lol
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.23 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: raney ilara Edited by: raney ilara on 23/02/2011 07:06:29
Quote: When I first heard about Hulkageddon III as a new player,I called the participants bullies and thugs in a forum post.
I like EvE's open ended sand box; I wouldn't change it.. but I have no illusions about most who participate in Hulkageddon. They are bullies and thugs. lol
Protect yourselves.
You're almost correct. They play bullies in thugs; they aren't necessarily like that as people.
A nuance, but an important one.
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Grace Wing
Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club
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Posted - 2011.02.23 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson You're almost correct. They play bullies in thugs; they aren't necessarily like that as people.
A nuance, but an important one.
I like you and everything but calling yourself or what you do in Eve "important" makes you sound like you're taking this Internet space ships thing a bit too serious. Just keep it at nuisance.
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.02.23 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grace Wing
Originally by: Helicity Boson You're almost correct. They play bullies in thugs; they aren't necessarily like that as people.
A nuance, but an important one.
I like you and everything but calling yourself or what you do in Eve "important" makes you sound like you're taking this Internet space ships thing a bit too serious. Just keep it at nuisance.
I, too, cannot read.
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Grace Wing
Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club
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Posted - 2011.02.23 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Grace Wing on 23/02/2011 10:34:55
Originally by: Ziaxi I, too, cannot read.
Yes but unlike me, you don't have a face to lose.
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raney ilara
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: raney ilara
You're almost correct. They play bullies in thugs; they aren't necessarily like that as people.
A nuance, but an important one.
While you are right that is what I meant. I know quite a few eve online players in real life.. nearly all of them are or were bullies. One that I know wasn't. |
Brain Stavo
Minmatar Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:32:00 -
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In fairness, it doesn't matter where you do your bullying, its still just exactly that: Bullying. Online bullying, be it via a game or any of means, should be discouraged and dealt with formally as it is every bit as serious as in the "real world".
That said, I don't neccesarily agree that the participants are "bullies".
In the same way, high sec ganking is a business, so people participate in that for profit. This is a competition that encourages griefing, with a large prize pool. Most of the 'participants' of Hulkageddon are simply puppets of serial griefers.
Hate the game, not the player. Hate those who organise, and donate the prizes, not those who play the game to win said gifts.
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ry ry
Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 23/02/2011 12:40:58
Originally by: Helicity Boson You're almost correct. They play bullies in thugs; they aren't necessarily like that as people.
A nuance, but an important one.
although how much of that particular duality is down to irl weak wrists cultured playing mmorpgs is open to debate.
since i can't even manage to be an internet hardman, let alone any other variety, i'm hoping to find a game where i can live out my fantasies of living out my fantasies of being mean to strangers.
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Kikkoman6
Amarr NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Brain Stavo Hate those who organise, and donate the prizes
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Brain Stavo
Minmatar Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2011.02.23 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kikkoman6
Don't confuse my post for carebear tears.
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MistyKane
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: MistyKane on 23/02/2011 14:51:47 Edited by: MistyKane on 23/02/2011 14:49:53 Personaly i just dont see why it should be the industrial players who have to take the butt of everyones guns, and for those who say there is freedom to choose career there is very little freedom when your forced to take up arms to either defend yourself or exact revenge of some nature, not always possible until many moons after such events.
And yes for those who like to rub salt into wounds, it is a part of the game, there is a large number of PVP players in eve, such players boast about killing this ship or that ship, and how great they are, the very few seconds of triumph are subdued very quickly, and the next adrenalin fix must come soon, EVE rewards criminality just like so-called REAL LIFE, people who play the bad guys in eve, are somehow deficient in the Realm known as real life.
Some players just want the freedom if there is any, very little freedom IRL nevermind in eve online :) just want the freedom to go about their daily chores in eve. Also as for the supposed carebear swear word, i find it amusing how its always used to insult and degrade someone, the only being degraded is the one throwing the supposed insult.
I am and will remain a carebear for all eternity, no 1 can stop me from being so, my posts are not the cryings of an enraged player, i just like the way eve resembles so-called REAL LIFE, and it does. you have to have experienced certain things in LIFE to understand why i say what i say.
Some people just can not stand being challenged, and anything that threatens their choices is attacked on a textual or verbal basis.
High sec is only as safe as the players make it, but i find it contradictory of any player saying how lame high sec is, and only low sec or null sec is the place to be, ive lived in null sec, and TBH i could hardly ever buy anything there, the markets in those places is almost dead, similar situaion in low sec, so guess what :) they have to come to high sec to get the gear they use in low sec, some even have high sec residing alts to be able to get the stuff to low sec. all in all people truely need to analyse what they say before they talk about things they do not truely know about.
keep crying about high sec, and comfirm what i say, please do attack me on the forums or ingame, i dont care either way, with every word you say to try and insult, you only confirm further what i have just said, which is basicly that people need to feel important once in a while, and they choose the way that will most make them feel that way.
Its all about a psychological mind game and partly pathological too it is just humans being humans, they can not help themselves because that is the way they are programmed in Life.
Have fun reading, and thanks for reading it if you actually did :)
Also: if it wasnt for carebears who are hated so much, EVE would be a completely different place than it is now. Over and Out
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Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.23 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: MistyKane *snip*
What? Did you drink again?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.23 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 23/02/2011 17:42:57 Perhaps, Misty, people taking their negative tendancies into a game allows them to be even better people in the real world now that these tendancies have been surpressed and/or satisfied.
Eve could be making a better world, one pirate at a time.
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Jasper Locke
Gallente CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.23 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: MistyKane Edited by: MistyKane on 23/02/2011 15:26:38
Personaly i just dont see why it should be the industrial players who have to take the butt of everyones guns, and for those who say there is freedom to choose career there is very little freedom when your forced to take up arms to either defend yourself or exact revenge of some nature, not always possible until many moons after such events.
I would say it's mainly because of the nature of such players. The vast, vast majority of miners are people who don't have a lot of free time (afk mining), people without corp backing (miner is safer for the risk/reward here without a corp), or alts. In other words, players whose retaliation options are limited or nonexistent.
Imagine a group trying to launch something like this against say....people with low-sec ratings. Wardecs would be flying, and would be gankers would likely find them on the losing end of the guns, with nothing to show for it. In comparison, suicide ganking miners is fairly risk free except for the sec hit.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2011.02.23 19:50:00 -
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I like the part about being a wildebeast.
Why is this guy posting on an alt? Ashamed of being a miner?
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Helicity Boson on 23/02/2011 20:22:58 Edited by: Helicity Boson on 23/02/2011 20:22:29
Originally by: Jasper Locke
Originally by: MistyKane Edited by: MistyKane on 23/02/2011 15:26:38
Personaly i just dont see why it should be the industrial players who have to take the butt of everyones guns, and for those who say there is freedom to choose career there is very little freedom when your forced to take up arms to either defend yourself or exact revenge of some nature, not always possible until many moons after such events.
I would say it's mainly because of the nature of such players. The vast, vast majority of miners are people who don't have a lot of free time (afk mining), people without corp backing (miner is safer for the risk/reward here without a corp), or alts. In other words, players whose retaliation options are limited or nonexistent.
Imagine a group trying to launch something like this against say....people with low-sec ratings. Wardecs would be flying, and would be gankers would likely find them on the losing end of the guns, with nothing to show for it. In comparison, suicide ganking miners is fairly risk free except for the sec hit.
I don't know buddy. I'm already -10, I have no sec to lose. No one needs to wardec us, we're perma wardecced by nature of our sec status, already everyone can, and often DOES shoot at as.
I keep hoping for the day where all those people who cry so bitterly about defenseless and no guns yaddah yaddah realize that they -already- have the power to fight back. They just CHOOSE not to, instead they cry to a higher power (CCP) who do not share their vision at all, and they will not be saved.
In eve, of all games, victim is a state of mind.
That miners and the like refuse to group, organize, work and think together, use all of the many tools in game that are at their disposal to do so... is no fault but your own.
But who knows, maybe by Hulkageddon XIV someone will figure it out.
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Kei Sune
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: MistyKane Edited by: MistyKane on 23/02/2011 15:26:38
Personaly i just dont see why it should be the industrial players who have to take the butt of everyones guns .... people who play the bad guys in eve, are somehow deficient in the Realm known as real life. .... Some people just can not stand being challenged, and anything that threatens their choices is attacked on a textual or verbal basis.
Your spaceship and the ISK you hold is part of a game. It's not real life. I don't write up an article when my friend bluffs me in poker and takes all my real money. It should be understood that anything you have in Eve is transitory and by logging into an MMORPG you are consenting to other people interacting with your stuff. Barring them hacking your account and stealing it you should accept that everything is fair and while you may not like it, even the "bad guys" are playing within the rules of the game just as much as you.
Do people hold this belief when they watch a movie or television show? "Damn Bob played a serial killer in this film, there must be something completely wrong with him to consent to that role."
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fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:45:00 -
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helicity alt posts so helicity the main can swoop in and can talk to himself
save this trahs for your blog
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: fgft Athonille helicity alt posts so helicity the main can swoop in and can talk to himself
save this trahs for your blog
Do you get medicine for your paranoia? You should.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: fgft Athonille helicity alt posts so helicity the main can swoop in and can talk to himself
save this trahs for your blog
Dang, you still haven't recovered from being severely violated in prison yet? Trolling won't heal your wounds.
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Kraal Jarik
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Posted - 2011.02.23 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: fgft Athonille save this trahs for your blog
What's a "trahs"?? Sorry, English is my first and only language. |
Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.02.24 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Droidster I like the part about being a wildebeast.
Why is this guy posting on an alt? Ashamed of being a miner?
Is this where I'm suppose to reveal who I am so I can get your approval? Not likely.
The point of this thread was to let noobs and other carebears know that this event is part of the game and should be supported. The losses you may get really are not that terrible and honestly as many gankers fail as succeed against a bear who keeps his wits about him.
Part of those wits is not making it easy for the gankers to find you....
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Javascript Void
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Posted - 2011.02.24 05:03:00 -
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I make at least 150m isk a day.
At least 150m a day too.
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