Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 15:00:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Lain Umi sock puppet says stuff
Every argument you make can apply to any frig sized hull yet amazing people are still fighting in frigs.
Gee Cruisers can kill frigs big f'ing surprise. Next you'll be telling me that Battleships can kill Battlecruisers.
As to getting insta popped running at someone with an MWD here's an idea don't run straight at targets using an MWD.
Personally I don't like MWD's on combat frigs. It limits your options too much. It blooms your signature and prevents speed tanking. Not to mention the evil it does to your cap and anytime you get inside 10km you can kiss your speed goodbye.
Perhaps your problem is that you keep trying to fly a heavy combat frig as an interceptor.
Assault ships are close range brawlers, Close range brawlers should use ABs nto MWDs. Gee put an AB on an Ishkur and get in close to a stabber and lets see how that plays out. Maybe it's one drone can overcome a small repper lol. Because GL tracking an AB ishkur with medium guns while tracking disrupted.
Perhaps if you're taking on a larger hull size you might consider using a couple guys say an inty to rush in get initial tackle and a warp in then bring in an Ishkur up close to get secondary tackle and apply DPS.
Where is your PVP experience? SISI? yeah yeah I know this is just an alt your actually a PVP bad ass on your main.
Sure what ever.
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 15:47:00 -
[32]
With AF's you need to "drop onto" the target or simply be able to use a AB to get close. As for killing ships...frigates and t1 cruisers are all fair game. T2 Cruiser...GTFO this also includes BC's. You can attack BS without any problems (more or less), but unless you are in a gang they will have enough time to call backup from 20jumps. Also stay away from anything pve that aggros on pvp aggro (gateguns, concorde etc).
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
|
rodensteiner
Amarr OMGROFLSTOMP
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:28:00 -
[33]
I'm not usually this forward, but that Lain Umi guy is an idiot.
AF's are brilliant. If they buff them, they'll be even more brilliant.
Ishkur is a great PVP ship. I prefer to use it only in lowsec, however, as it is quite slow. For lowsec and 0.0, Jaguar is what I usually go with.
_____________________________________________
I'm horrible at PVP |
Lain Umi
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:16:00 -
[34]
looks like i hit a nerve. my hunch is that you simply havent pvp'd enough to understand all sides of the story. OP was asking questions about the ship ive flown a lot, and im giving feedback based on my experiences. if this makes me an idiot, then so be it. the point of discussion threads is to have different points of view and experiences shared. my point of view is that AF's have a very limited, if any, role. the truth is that the good t1 cruisers have more gank and tank while costing 5 times less. the truth is that inties can tackle better while being more or less impervious to most damage. and i know this makes you angry because you love AF's and want them to be effective, but they simply dont deliver compared to the aforementioned ship types.
|
Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:59:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Lain Umi looks like i hit a nerve. my hunch is that you simply havent pvp'd enough to understand all sides of the story. OP was asking questions about the ship ive flown a lot, and im giving feedback based on my experiences. if this makes me an idiot, then so be it. the point of discussion threads is to have different points of view and experiences shared. my point of view is that AF's have a very limited, if any, role. the truth is that the good t1 cruisers have more gank and tank while costing 5 times less. the truth is that inties can tackle better while being more or less impervious to most damage. and i know this makes you angry because you love AF's and want them to be effective, but they simply dont deliver compared to the aforementioned ship types.
You've provided no evidence of anything other than you have an opinion. The character you are posting with has 2 documented PVP engagements both of which were losses in lolfit vexors (not even fully fit.
There is no nerve to hit, In fact there is nothing to indicate you've ever hit anything in the game or have a lot of experience flying any ship much less the ones under discussion.
You've already indicated that you don't have the first clue how to use an assault ship (MWDing at a superior craft in anything other than an interceptor is generally a bad idea).
Your arguments are only sound reasonable to someone who hasn't actually engaged in much PVP. You're another one of these these people who's actual PVP experience would appear to be limited to EFT and reading posts and guides rather than actually going out and shooting at and getting shot at by ships in the game.
You can try and dismiss my experience as coming from RVB but at least I have actual documented PVP experience and the killboard to stats to prove that I have a friggin clue.
You are just a sock puppet.
C
|
Chatgrus
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:02:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Chatgrus on 25/02/2011 23:02:06 THIS THREAD IS FULL OF DERP
|
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
|
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:03:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Lain Umi
tbh i think youre a little disconnected from reality. what exactly do you think you'll tank with a small armor rep?
Another frigate, duh! It's not as if plates or shield extenders on a frigate will help you tank a fleet, or anything larger. As a matter of fact, a c-type coreli is THE best way to tank an Ishkur, it doesn't slow you down, the resists are excellent for active tanking, and it's a fantastic way to soak up the damage of fall-off dependent autocannon frigates. If he goes buffer or nano, a kiting boat will either widdle him down to nothing because he can't rep up the damage, or he'll get caught by faster frigates and DIAF because it has no active tank.
As for people talking about MWDs; Ishkurs and generally speaking all assault ships are built to be used with AFTERBURNERS. Ishkurs are best fit with blasters, which means that if you have an MWD, you will be kited within 9km by any AB frigate that bothers to fit a scram (which is a LOT of them).
Here's my version of the Ishkur:
For lowsec and empire, of course.
|
Yime Nsokyi
|
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:53:00 -
[38]
Going to ask a silly question now... "Why is the best SAR the Coreli C-Type SAR for an Ishkur?"
For <10m (apparantly) all you get over a T2 SAR is 88rep instead of 80 and slightly easier fitting. If this is the case why not go for a Coreli A-type and get 104rep for a mere 30m?
Is it a case of 'bang for buck'? Or is it more that IF the tank is going to be overwhelmed, then it will regardless on whether you are repairing 88/6s or 104/6s so putting a 30m mod on there is just an excessive risk?
|
TaluxA
|
Posted - 2011.02.28 22:28:00 -
[39]
Coreli c reppers are 4.5 mil at jita right now.
They use less cap, have better fitting and repair more than t2. That's why.
|
Lain Umi
|
Posted - 2011.03.01 03:02:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Lain Umi on 01/03/2011 03:05:03
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Lain Umi looks like i hit a nerve. my hunch is that you simply havent pvp'd enough to understand all sides of the story. OP was asking questions about the ship ive flown a lot, and im giving feedback based on my experiences. if this makes me an idiot, then so be it. the point of discussion threads is to have different points of view and experiences shared. my point of view is that AF's have a very limited, if any, role. the truth is that the good t1 cruisers have more gank and tank while costing 5 times less. the truth is that inties can tackle better while being more or less impervious to most damage. and i know this makes you angry because you love AF's and want them to be effective, but they simply dont deliver compared to the aforementioned ship types.
You've provided no evidence of anything other than you have an opinion. The character you are posting with has 2 documented PVP engagements both of which were losses in lolfit vexors (not even fully fit.
There is no nerve to hit, In fact there is nothing to indicate you've ever hit anything in the game or have a lot of experience flying any ship much less the ones under discussion.
You've already indicated that you don't have the first clue how to use an assault ship (MWDing at a superior craft in anything other than an interceptor is generally a bad idea).
Your arguments are only sound reasonable to someone who hasn't actually engaged in much PVP. You're another one of these these people who's actual PVP experience would appear to be limited to EFT and reading posts and guides rather than actually going out and shooting at and getting shot at by ships in the game.
You can try and dismiss my experience as coming from RVB but at least I have actual documented PVP experience and the killboard to stats to prove that I have a friggin clue.
You are just a sock puppet.
C
youre a moron. youve never been in a real pvp engagement, otherwise youd know what im talking about. your pvp is in fantasy land.
anyway, you should probably sod off, as i was giving some useful advice to the OP; i have no idea who you are or why youre raising noise and going on ego trips in an otherwise productive thread. thanks i guess for looking up my L2 fit vexors on this 1mill SP toon.
it's ok to disagree, but dont be an emo douche, especially when youre a scrub. and i have absolutely nothing to prove to you. you keep mentioning this sock puppet... i have a hunch that youre referring to some repressed memories, but imo, the things your daddy did to you should probably stay out of the forums.
|
|
Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
|
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:11:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/03/2011 16:11:46
Originally by: Lain Umi <sock puppet projects childhood memories>
LOL
There you go again talking about MWDing an AF. Here's a little clue. in addition to a 500% speed increase a MWD also creates a corresponding 500% signature increase meaning that in any situation other than a 90 degree flyby you are going to be easier to hit. (translation you can't speed tank with a MWD on a non-interceptor)
Interceptors get a bonus that decreases this signature penalty meaning that they actually get some advantage from the additional speed. This is why I said that MWDing at a superior craft in anything but an interceptor is stupid.
AF's work best up close with an afterburner. The reason is that an afterburner simply increases speed with no corresponding signature penalty this means that it's actually harder to hit them if they maintain good traversal.
BTW a sock puppet is a term for a posting alt. You are hiding behind this 1mil SP alt rather than posting with your main. This means that you can claim what ever experience you want because there is no way to disprove that claim. The corollary being that you have no way to prove that claim either.
You've made some outlandish assertions that anyone with any actual PVP experience know to be nonsense. So I looked you up on battle clinic to see if maybe you have a clue about the subject.
Imagine my lack of surprise when I find a fail PVP record. This of course doesn't mean that you don't have a clue. But combined with the fact that several people with good PVP records (BlueJacket CT for instance) have called bull**** on your assertions tends to undermine the idea that you are some sort of great PVPer on you "main".
The point is that you aren't offering useful advice. You are offering butt hurt nonsense from someone who doesn't seem to understand that different tools should be used in different situations. I'm "raising noise" so that no poor newb actually reads your bad advise and takes it.
Oh and you don't have a clue about RvB perhaps you should try a run through so you can see just how your "skills" stack up against those "PVP newbs".
|
SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
|
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:47:00 -
[42]
Skex is right. Don't use a microwarpdrive on an assault frigate, that's just silly. One of the primary parts of your tank is small signature.
They ARE close range brawlers, the only one mean't for long range (Harpy) does MUCH better fit with blasters (Blarpy). You can fit small rails on an Ishkur too admittedly but generally that sucks too. They all work best up close and personal and I have lots of experience with that on various characters including this one.
Cruisers absolutely DO kill AF's one on one.. but only about 50% of the time. There are PLENTY of crummy Cruiser pilots out there who panic when engaged by even a hauler. Get up close and in many cases it will be a race to hull.
A gang of 10 T1 Frigates can easily take out something as big as even a Battleship. Agony Unleashed does it all the time and its hillarious. A gang of 4 or 5 Assault frigates can do the same thing.. which is sort of the point. They are improved frigates. Treat them as such.
So that said.. AF's are awesome, but could use a roll specific bonus of some kind. I find usually warping in 50km from my target means i'll die on the way (if it has long range weapons) or i'll simply leave because the 6 min flight over there isn't worth it. Maybe give them a AB bonus of some kind.
Regardless, buy it, enjoy it, don't fight things you can't beat. Fly in a wolfpack for improved success.. frigates are the most fun by FAR for small gang work.. fast and damaging. ---
Bring forth the Assault Frigate apocalypse! |
NinjaSpud
|
Posted - 2011.03.01 21:55:00 -
[43]
Iskurs rock
true story here.
I was in a harbinger (amar battlecruiser) I had a buffer fit (meaning I had no active rep, just alot of armor).
a buddy of mine wanted to test out his new iskure. so I pop'd a can, he took it and started to orbit me. I fired, but he was going fast enough that he was outrunning my medium guns. Imeditaly he warp scramed me, started to drain my energy, and activated a small armor rep on his ship....(the few lucky shots I did hit with were reparid w/out a problem) he was not using blasters on me. in fact he pop'd several drones that started to slowly chew threw my armor.
It took about 3-5 minets, but due to the fact that I could not shoot him (becasue he was orbiting too close/fast) he eventualy, slowly, melted threw my armor and would have been able to kill me.
I learned two things that day.
1) Iskures rock 2) Never leave home without your web
|
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
|
Posted - 2011.03.02 05:15:00 -
[44]
Originally by: SomeHardLovin AF's are awesome
Originally by: NinjaSpud
1) Iskures rock 2) Never leave home without your web
HIGH-FIVE!
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
|
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:28:00 -
[45]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
1) Iskures rock 2) Never leave home without your web
This. If it's a AB version you still screwed if he manages to get into range. Specially if it's a blaster fit. You can pop the drones with the web, but a single web won't slow it down enough. There might be a situation if he has to use blasters (rails won't hurt) and thus using a lot of cap. Could run out of cap, but then again...he can just stop shooting for a while and then start it again if it's a buffer only.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
|
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
|
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:18:00 -
[46]
The Source - AF getting 75% speed boost.
Know that this is now about 1 1/2 years back and that it was cancelled. --
|
VanNostrum
|
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:10:00 -
[47]
Edited by: VanNostrum on 02/03/2011 21:10:38
Originally by: Kepakh
Originally by: VanNostrum AFs and Electonic Attack Ships will get a buff in next expansion so yes, AFs are a good side-investment
Erm...source?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1391008&page=12#343
there was another dev post somewhere about the AF/EAF fixes scheduled for post-incursion but couldn't find the thread
|
Zhim'Fufu
|
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 02/03/2011 21:10:38
Originally by: Kepakh
Originally by: VanNostrum AFs and Electonic Attack Ships will get a buff in next expansion so yes, AFs are a good side-investment
Erm...source?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1391008&page=12#343
there was another dev post somewhere about the AF/EAF fixes scheduled for post-incursion but couldn't find the thread
Sweet. Hope the jag gets its tracking bonus and a small boost to agility. Speed is fine if you invest in some snakes but a small boost there wouldn't hurt my feelings.
As far as the ishkur it's a fine gang boat for frigate roams due to the blaster damage and flexibility of its drones. Having a few repper drones is right handy for repairing mates at a safespot on roams in hostile space where docking up is as good as logging off and giving up. But in the spirit of the af changes to come I would love to see a damage bonus for the drones. Maybe swap the hybrid damage bonus with the optimal and give the drones a 15~20% per assault frigate level of damage. I would certainly fly it then.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
|
Yime Nsokyi
|
Posted - 2011.03.03 13:27:00 -
[49]
So seeing as there are a good few experienced Ishkur pilots here and a lot of debate I thought IÆd keep this thread going with my next question about the Ishkur!
IÆm setting up a jump clone for specifically for PVP Ishkur use and while itÆll have +3 attribute implants (no pirate sets) I struggled a bit picking out 5 useful hard-wirings seeing as the majority of the dps is Drones and there aren't any Drone based hard-wirings!
I finally plumped for this: Slot 6:+3% small hybrid damage Slot 7:+3% turret tracking Slot 8:-3% Afterburner Cap Use Slot 9:+3% Armour Repair amount Slot 10:+3% Armour HP
It feels a bit of a mishmash so I after advice on whether it be better to have hard-wirings specifically to: a) decrease cap use b) strengthen the tank c) increase speed d) boost turret damage
Or something else?!
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears
|
Posted - 2011.03.03 13:59:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Yime Nsokyi
a) decrease cap use ( if you plan on kiting, then yes) b) strengthen the tank (if they hit you...you are toast as it doesn't tank too well. I'd say go for killing power if possible) c) increase speed (with rails it's good, but with blasters you will get tracking issues) d) boost turret damage (blasters, with rails you are probably better off with something else as the damage they make will take time and that small boost doesn't make it fast enough)
I'd say it's up to the way you use the ishkur, but overall it does look like a nice set. At least it doesn't have bad qualities. As for the main damage coming from drones...well I always have blasterfits. Taking someone down with only drones will take time. Time is what you don't have.
I personally like the middle ground with ishkur. It's not the heaviest hitter, tanker or fastest. So don't try to "boost" certain areas. Boost everything.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
|
|
Yime Nsokyi
|
Posted - 2011.03.03 14:18:00 -
[51]
I use a blaster fit too so with my set giving a boost to damage, a boost to tank and a little extra cap stability it's probably not too bad at all.
|
Batelle
do you
|
Posted - 2011.03.04 14:44:00 -
[52]
change the afterburner implant in slot 7 to 3% bonus hull hp. EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. |
Andrea Griffin
|
Posted - 2011.03.04 15:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: SomeHardLovin So that said.. AF's are awesome, but could use a role-specific bonus of some kind.
I love assault frigates. I'm in the process of training up Minnie 5, but I have flown with success: Vengeance, Enyo, Ishkur, Hawk, Harpy. Yup, The HAWK. Boo-yah!
I would like to see them get a web resistance (30% or so?) and a slightly higher sensor strength. The web change alone would reinforce a heavy tackler role.
Anyway, Ishkur is a great little boat for solo and small gangs if you don't mind the cost. Just make sure that you have good drone skills - it is pointless to fly one until you do.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
DR BiCarbonate
|
Posted - 2011.03.05 00:35:00 -
[54]
Ishkur is one of the best pvp af's
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears
|
Posted - 2011.03.05 10:51:00 -
[55]
I also like the versatility it has. I mean with one fit (pvp) you can do your shopping, fast running, occasional belt ratting (just to check if there is something worhtwhile shooting down) and overall solo/gang work. It's a like a small version everyday ship that can be used in pretty much any situation.
I'm still trying to figure out a good fit that has blasters, rep and a salvager. Just so than you can do the occasional salvage when the oppoturnity arises. Basically it should have: Blasters (i like the damage and with rails you can't really drop any big rats), salvager (oppoturnities), rep (so i can fix myself) and full tackle. It's just that the darn salvager doesn't fit, not with anything sensible. Of course a cloak would also be nice...but I'm still having problems with adding a cloak or salvager. Any ideas?
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
|
ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
|
Posted - 2011.03.05 14:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Lain Umi
anyway, you should probably sod off, as i was giving some useful advice to the OP; i have no idea who you are or why youre raising noise and going on ego trips in an otherwise productive thread. thanks i guess for looking up my L2 fit vexors on this 1mill SP toon.
Bad troll is bad.
AB ishkur is fun, and yes, you need to be careful with your target selection; like all other frigs they don't hold up to neuting or bonused drones very well: in general you don't want to get caught by, say, a cane or a domi.
Also, an ishkur is more expensive than a vexor if you forget to fit and rig the vex somehow. Speaking of fits, i like this one:
[Ishkur, rep] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
|
Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
|
Posted - 2011.03.05 20:13:00 -
[57]
Hybrids are really only a problem on cruiser and up ship hulls.. the Ishkur is one of the better AF's in the game. The biggest problem is AF's have their own problems making them kinda so so.
The Ishkur is likely the best pick out of the AF's though with Jag probably being second, but neither can typically match the current crop of FoTM faction frigs.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |