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Marlies Misi
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Posted - 2011.02.25 13:59:00 -
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Hello,
I've been playing EVE for a few weeks now. I mostly mine or help few of my friends mine via a hauler. We do it on High sec space, but with the recent events made it more difficult for us to mine. Now I understand this is a PvP game, I'm not complaining, but when you are a newbie with limited options and limited knowledge, you start seeking alternatives.
Few days ago, I made a thread similar to this one, asking for guidance against high sec gankers. Most people recommended pretty much the same things, either don't mine, or run for your life at the first sign of trouble.
One particular guy though, recommended that I joined his alliance and start mining on 0.0 security space with perfect safety. Now I know 0.0 security space is lawless and potentially fatal for a guy like me. If I were to lose my retriever it would mean hours of mining in a scythe just to get enough money to get it back, so I kindly refused the guy. I just couldn't afford to do that kind of dangerous stuff.
After a day or two, he answered that there is practically 0 risk mining in 0.0 security space, because of a bot they used. He claimed that everyone in his alliance uses it, it is unofficially condoned by CCP so no one gets banned. He linked to another forum post made him, which was a pretty detailed in depth guide about botting.
I've played other MMO's and usually on subscription based mmo's, bots are prohibited. Generally on F2P mmo's, it is allowed as long as you pay a premium fee (still frowned upon by some western players). So when this guy said entire regions (as big as high sec space he said) are full with people bot mining, I couldn't help but raise an eyebrow.
According to these players, as long as you don't sell the money you make, there's no rules against botting. What I'm wondering is, is this like other free to play mmo's where its frowned upon? Or is it an accepted behavior from the community?
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sableye
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 25/02/2011 14:04:59
essentially what he has told you is true they don't care enough to ban any bots at the momant, does that mean you should use them I say no. They are against the game rules and they may start banning people eventually, although I doubt it because they not doen a good job last 6 years. not everyone is doing it I am sure because I personally know no one who bots but I have seen alot of new players asking about them these days. when i say I know no one obvious I am not at there computer watching there every move though so maybe they do and just not told me.
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:04:00 -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:05:00 -
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Nicely worded troll, or completely newbie poster that can't be bothered to read the rules, stickies and huge-sized threads ? Hmm, which one would this one be, I wonder...
Just in case you're the latter, no, there's no such thing as "unofficially condoned botting", at most it's "not very strongly enforced anti-botting in absence of any RMT evidence", and even that is a bit of a stretch. Yes, there are rules against botting, yes it's a bannable offence, and yes you should report people you KNOW are using bots.
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RaTTuS
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Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 25/02/2011 14:06:56
Edited by: RaTTuS on 25/02/2011 14:06:34
IBTL
bots are against the EULA - if you think someone is using one then a petition is the only way.
don't use one as
you will get hacked
you will get banned
you will get no sympathy
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Nicely worded troll,
This
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:16:00 -
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Moved to New Player's Channel and trolling removed. Please post constructively. |
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:23:00 -
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I am sorry for my apparently non-constructive post in this clearly legitimate, non-troll thread. I was merely attempting to correct a slight mistake in Akita's post.
In addition to what Akita and Rattus said, I'd like to add that the "thread similar to this one" to which OP refers appears not to exist. Perhaps OP can provide a link. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Perhaps OP can provide a link.
As in: "I still believe he is a troll." ?
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:45:00 -
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@OP: honestly I have no idea what CCP tolerates what botting is concerned - and I think most people here don't have a really well-defined idea either. It's something about automated stuff that gives you advantages over what you can do manually - but that's still quite unclear.
Anyway mining in 0.0 is the most profitable place to mine and alliances keep their space quite secure, so let that not stop you.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Estel Arador
Perhaps OP can provide a link.
As in: "I still believe he is a troll." ?
Most definitely not. OP is an upstanding member of this community with a legitimate concern. I just wish to understand the background to this post, that's why I asked for the link.
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Marlies Misi
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:18:00 -
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Took me a while to find my thread, never noticed this section before!
Thanks for the replies, looking through the other sections and getting an apparently neutral developer response, I see it is not really frowned upon.
While people say it isn't allowed, the guy I talked to says he has been botting since they got control of their space, I'm guessing from the size of their and their parent alliance, that means years.
As for the trolls, well, I can't provide you with any links as it is in a private group forum, and its not in english.
I guess this thread will be infested with trolls anyway, so thanks for the all legitimate answers.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 25/02/2011 15:22:14
Originally by: Marlies Misi
Thanks for the replies, looking through the other sections and getting an apparently neutral developer response, I see it is not really frowned upon.
While people say it isn't allowed, the guy I talked to says he has been botting since they got control of their space, I'm guessing from the size of their and their parent alliance, that means years.
Anyway, I think you should really consider moving to 0.0 space or not. It's a lot different than highsec, you'll have a lot less freedom, probably pay more tax and you can't do a lot of things alone, especially if you're "just" a miner who can't really fly combat ships.
On the other things you may learn a thing or two that a lot of players never will.
And btw Marlies is a quite a common girls name in my country.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marlies Misi
While people say it isn't allowed, the guy I talked to says he has been botting since they got control of their space, I'm guessing from the size of their and their parent alliance, that means years.
Well the answer is, "no it's not allowed", and you should report them and their activities via a petition.
You can make a dozen more posts referencing "bots" and "years", but that won't help anyone.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marlies Misi
looking through the other sections and getting an apparently neutral developer response, I see it is not really frowned upon
/facepalm
No, just no.
Get your eyes checked.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Self Preservation Society the 2nd
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:10:00 -
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Botting is like driving too fast on the highway.
It is against the rules, and if you get caught you can be punished appropriately.
That fact doesn't seem to stop people from doing it, however. make of that what you will.
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:37:00 -
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I was hanging out in a combat fleet when a blue asks us if we'd mind scouting about and guarding him while he moves a couple freighter loads of capital parts to low sec to build caps with.
While we secure the area a conversation starts up about how long it takes him tim mine the minerals for a capital... Oh, jsut a couple days with my 4 bot accounts going at it 23 hours a day.
I was truely shocked he'd openly admit that he bots.
Of course, in one of the corps I belonged to corp officers openly shared accounts. I still run missions with a gal who has a friend of hers log into her account to fit ships and add skills to her training queue.
I have seen lots of EULA violations openly flaunted...
Only person I know that had an account banned had been doing reactions and working an exploit where you could take the input link offline after starting the reaction resulting in you getting output without using any input.
He said that was a known exploit for years, that CCP clearly knew about it and just didn't care enough to enforce it... right up until the day they fixed it and banned every account that had been doing it.
SO, just because they haven't been banning people doesn't mean they will not up and meat grinder tens of thousands of toons in the blink of an eye.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
I was hanging out in a combat fleet when a blue asks us if we'd mind scouting about and guarding him while he moves a couple freighter loads of capital parts to low sec to build caps with.
While we secure the area a conversation starts up about how long it takes him tim mine the minerals for a capital... Oh, jsut a couple days with my 4 bot accounts going at it 23 hours a day.
I was truely shocked he'd openly admit that he bots.
Of course, in one of the corps I belonged to corp officers openly shared accounts. I still run missions with a gal who has a friend of hers log into her account to fit ships and add skills to her training queue.
I have seen lots of EULA violations openly flaunted...
Only person I know that had an account banned had been doing reactions and working an exploit where you could take the input link offline after starting the reaction resulting in you getting output without using any input.
He said that was a known exploit for years, that CCP clearly knew about it and just didn't care enough to enforce it... right up until the day they fixed it and banned every account that had been doing it.
SO, just because they haven't been banning people doesn't mean they will not up and meat grinder tens of thousands of toons in the blink of an eye.
Sounds like Unholy Rage but it could have been something else.
Same thing happened with ... Diablo. I had these buddies at work that were using a macro to level the game. Lots and lots of people were using that macro. And then one day - they were all banned.
Rule #1 Of The Internet - don't believe everything people tell you.
"Oh ... we've been doing this forever ... if the dev's cared - they'd have done something by now. Since they haven't - they must not care."
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Yeah right.
I sometimes think that this is a required rationalization on the part of people doing something they know they are not supposed to do.
"We haven't gotten caught yet - so - that must mean we never will be ... "
"Hey! They Banned Us! Who would have thought that would happen?"
Duh ...
What was that guys name? Bernie Madoff? Note the caption to his picture ...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.25 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
[...]He said that was a known exploit for years, that CCP clearly knew about it and just didn't care enough to enforce it... right up until the day they fixed it and banned every account that had been doing it.[...]
Sounds like Unholy Rage but it could have been something else.[...]
It was something else, much earlier. THIS ONE.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.02.25 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marlies Misi
Thanks for the replies, looking through the other sections and getting an apparently neutral developer response, I see it is not really frowned upon.
You see "apparently neutral developer response". I see "developer encouraging new players curious about bots to be told by the rest of the playerbase not to use them".
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.02.26 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
[...]He said that was a known exploit for years, that CCP clearly knew about it and just didn't care enough to enforce it... right up until the day they fixed it and banned every account that had been doing it.[...]
Sounds like Unholy Rage but it could have been something else.[...]
It was something else, much earlier. THIS ONE.
Ah yes. Thanks. I remember that.
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