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Macmuelli
Gallente Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2011.05.03 11:07:00 -
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Changing the name should be not possible.
But there could be a way, getting a second identy in combination with factional warfare. Doing espionage include doing some undercover operation.
There should be also a way to work against such operating peoples.
Would make things interesting, and probally more funny.
eve since 2003
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El Geo
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Posted - 2011.05.03 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Spiderman I don't support this idea. A name in EVE is the major/initial identification of the char and its activities since birth. If you buy a -10 2003 char and you get smacked all the time it's your job to communicate and the issue will be solved over time. Just add a note to the bio. I am sure CCP will never allow to change the char names because it's a strong and important part of the game and its growing history. It would mess up the EVE history. Even if a 10 years old char will be sold to another player it's part of the game to identify yourself with the new name or start a char from scratch if you want a spcial name. Be happy that you are allowed to buy a char to save years of skilling. That's the price. Now it's your job to deal with it. It's a fair deal.
Next wish will be: allow us to exchange skillpoints because I am not 100% happy with what I have bought or what I have skilled because from my actual experience I had skilled totally different if I can go back. It's like I will donate my son a second hand bike in red color but he wants the brand new model in dull black with the latest technology. I can offer him: you get the second hand for free and repaint and upgrade it on your own or you need to spend time to work for buying the one you like.
I can really understand why player want to change the name when they have bought a new char. But it should not happen. I can understand that player who want to get into the game asap take not really the time to think about a good name. But that's their problem. Learn to live with it because there's more painful stuff in EVE you have to learn to live with.
im actually surprised ccp havent done the old buy sp using real money card tbh
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Lanrick
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Posted - 2011.05.03 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra Edited by: Misanthra on 28/02/2011 02:24:15 your answer lies in sql database design.
What you want to do is change value of a primary key (name) and append old name to history data entry. This data entry I will bet isk is blob data type (as it has 3 corps if you joined 3 corps or 30 if you joined 30). These most likely aren't separate entries as would be a horrendous database schema...blob data field (actual name btw), delimit it for ease of formatting on the history tab. This what I would do anyway.
Anyone who makes a name the primary key for a table like this should be beaten to death with a copy of Date's "Intro to Database Systems." Besides, we know this is not likely to be the case since they can force name changes when people pick something offensive.
There is no need to put this information into a blob. Keeping track of the history of the data in a table is routine in data warehouse design either as facts or dimensions. Even without DW tools, creating an audit table using a trigger is trivial and that table can easily be indexed to allow for quick searching on their past or current names. Further, databases like Oracle now support searching historic changes to tables in order to facilitate SOX compliance. ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free." |
Nemesis Factor
Caldari Telanus' Reach
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Posted - 2011.05.03 19:59:00 -
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I regret my choice in names. I want a real name not a handle! ==================== ~/~ Sultan of Buruni |
IIIAsharakIII
Hostile Takeover.
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Posted - 2011.05.03 20:41:00 -
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Consequences in Eve are LOL. So lets not even go there.
Now, what Eve IS about is criminal intent. No?
Aliases are a common element to the criminal arena, so why not allow name changes?
Keep the API the same (So the individual can be tracked, also serves as first name or birth name).
If this is a database issue (technical) CCP should just come out and say it, instead of this consequences crap.
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The Ying
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Posted - 2011.05.04 19:11:00 -
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Play with a name I don't like anymore or restart from scratch and wait 3 years until I have the same skills I have at the moment. Thats a bit big for a game imo. And, despite the fact I might be repeating myself, it's a game.
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Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.04 21:31:00 -
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I find it rather odd that CCP has created a game where people can screw eachother over ingame, where scams are the common course of conducting business and where suicide ganks are applauded.
Yet when the suggestion comes along for a (paid) character namechange; they haul out the 'that would not be fair for the sake of maintaining community spirit'
...eh, say what?
We have a community spirit now? I thought this game was all about being able to scam/cheat/infiltrate your way to the top, serving your own selfcentered egotistical needs and then pull off the biggest heist in history and laugh while empires crumble.
But because of this 'community spirit' being unfairly treated by the miscreants that would seek to abuse its power of anomymity, everyone else that may have a legitimate/honest reason gets the shaft.
So in my opinion they just fabricated an excuse because they are either too lazy to adapt their system to include a character namechange option.
+1 for character namechange service option - usable only once per character (pay $) or when character is sold through CCP's Character Transfer (free)
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.04 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Macmuelli Changing the name should be not possible.
But there could be a way, getting a second identy in combination with factional warfare. Doing espionage include doing some undercover operation.
There should be also a way to work against such operating peoples.
Would make things interesting, and probally more funny.
All I'm seeing here is a "NO", with a completely different non-related idea. While this idea may be useful or needed I don't see WHY it is you are arguing names should not be possible to be changed IF there is a way to track the changes permanently. Explain your opinion or reason why you are opposed.
Originally by: Prince Spiderman I don't support this idea. A name in EVE is the major/initial identification of the char and its activities since birth. If you buy a -10 2003 char and you get smacked all the time it's your job to communicate and the issue will be solved over time. Just add a note to the bio. I am sure CCP will never allow to change the char names because it's a strong and important part of the game and its growing history. It would mess up the EVE history. Even if a 10 years old char will be sold to another player it's part of the game to identify yourself with the new name or start a char from scratch if you want a spcial name. Be happy that you are allowed to buy a char to save years of skilling. That's the price. Now it's your job to deal with it. It's a fair deal.
Next wish will be: allow us to exchange skillpoints because I am not 100% happy with what I have bought or what I have skilled because from my actual experience I had skilled totally different if I can go back. It's like I will donate my son a second hand bike in red color but he wants the brand new model in dull black with the latest technology. I can offer him: you get the second hand for free and repaint and upgrade it on your own or you need to spend time to work for buying the one you like.
I can really understand why player want to change the name when they have bought a new char. But it should not happen. I can understand that player who want to get into the game asap take not really the time to think about a good name. But that's their problem. Learn to live with it because there's more painful stuff in EVE you have to learn to live with.
Names are not identities because all those "actions" since 'birth' would still be flat out listed in the history tab, unaltered by a simple name/alias change.
Names are not identities as if Character1 is CEO of CORP1 and you set -10 standings and declare war... Then Character1 changes to Character2.. The identity is not lost. You are still at war with CORP1 and Character2 is still set to -10 standings and is CEO with same title/rank unless they change it and regardless it is still very clear and apparent who Character2 is as it states he is/was Character1 in his history.
This is a poor attitude that shows no sign of compromise and total objections to a clear problem simply because the problem doesn't affect you. You don't state any actual reason how name changes with the listed ideas/features of this thread prevent loss of identity. You are mad about character purchases. So let me be clear that this thread is not related to the argument pro or against them Buying and Selling characters. These arguments don't belong here as name changing has no correlation to them.
So please, if you are simply objecting because in your wild imagination implementing these ideas will lead to CCP allowing people to just buy unused SP then leave it at that. But if you are objecting because doing so would result in a clear loss of identity, then explain yourself so I can try and see your point.
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.04 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 04/05/2011 23:52:31
Originally by: The Ying Play with a name I don't like anymore or restart from scratch and wait 3 years until I have the same skills I have at the moment. Thats a bit big for a game imo. And, despite the fact I might be repeating myself, it's a game.
Missing your mortgage payment for a single month doesn't even stick on your credit for 3 years. Why should there be even harder consequences in a video game for something trivial such as naming yourself something when you were 18 (age is obviously just an example) Just highlighting your post Ying by quoting it to show this is a mutual thought shared by more than just myself.
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.04 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sanskrit
i agree we should be able to change our name and this blasphemy of ccp being able to change there name shows that we should be allowed also. even if it cost money then why are they complaining. i mean hey if they dont want the money thats ccp's loss just shows that maybe they arent as smart as the people from WoW or Aion. just saying because both those games suck but they have a name change maybe ccp needs to change a little to meet customer satisfaction rates. For the "identity is lost" that the entire point of changing your name so you can start anew.
one thing i can say without worry is that
WOW=crappy game play but fantastic customer service EVE= Fantastic Game play but crappy customer service
What if EvE remained a fantastic game and also had fantastic CS? It's not impossible ;)
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.05 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Commandante Caldari While I understand the reasons I don' like and support the idea to change the name. I have the impression that a lot of people did not take the time to think about a good name because they just wanted to start the trial account, changed it to a real account and that's it. They probably choosed the wrong bloodline and specialisation but had to live with it at the end when they realized that it had been better to choose something different for PvP. It also drove me insane for a couple of days when I realized after one year skilling that Commandante is written wrong and should be Comandante. Let's say again: That's EVE!
My opinion:
You want to play the game but you are too impatient to skill like most of us had to do. You think that just buying a 60m char will make you a big guy ingame and good at PvP? In this case be happy that it's possible to buy a char and live with the name.
You want a second great skilled char for logistics, PvE or whatever? I think it's a good deal to save a few years of skilling and live with a crap name.
You want a unique char with a special look and name you like? You need to start EVE from scratch. Do what we all had to do and skill it for the next years. That's EVE and what makes it great. It's like Lord of the Rings. The first book is slow to read but the story is going to be epic. I even stopped skilling my main for weeks to skill a t2 hauler alt. It's not a big deal.
I think to keep these rules is important for the game's future and the attitude of the community.
But why is it so important to keep a name that has zero effect to the game? Why be so masochistic and just accept to waltz around with a misspelled name? After so much time investment there shouldn't be punishment. Especially if it literally does NOT alter gameplay.
"That's EvE" is a good argument to mistakes when you are learning PvP/PvE and make some sort of gameplay mistake. This is a clear Account and Billing servicing issue. The problem? The service is not offered. I'm totally sounding like a broken record, but explain to me the problem if allowing this does not change gameplay.
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Darth Sanskrit
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Posted - 2011.05.06 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: SXmasteraccount
Originally by: Darth Sanskrit
i agree we should be able to change our name and this blasphemy of ccp being able to change there name shows that we should be allowed also. even if it cost money then why are they complaining. i mean hey if they dont want the money thats ccp's loss just shows that maybe they arent as smart as the people from WoW or Aion. just saying because both those games suck but they have a name change maybe ccp needs to change a little to meet customer satisfaction rates. For the "identity is lost" that the entire point of changing your name so you can start anew.
one thing i can say without worry is that
WOW=crappy game play but fantastic customer service EVE= Fantastic Game play but crappy customer service
What if EvE remained a fantastic game and also had fantastic CS? It's not impossible ;)
in order for this to happen one of two things would need to happen -CCP actually listens to its customers for once. ~cough probably never cough~ -CCP quits and gives someone who actually cares about its customers the rights to fix this crap
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Macmuelli
Gallente Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2011.05.06 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Macmuelli on 06/05/2011 20:45:51
---All I'm seeing here is a "NO", with a completely different non-related idea. While this idea may be useful or needed I don't see WHY it is you are arguing names should not be possible to be changed IF there is a way to track the changes permanently. Explain your opinion or reason why you are opposed-----
Let me try to explain it why changing names should be not possible in my opinion.
If u choose a name u should think twice before accepting it. If u have choosen one, and starts playing, u do your moves with all consequences.
Changing the name, means buying an "indulgence" of all sins, with the diffrent , that we cant avoid peoples any more. With this option peoples could steal again and agin, starts scamming without any consequenses.
U have 3 slots on the account, means the option of 3 names/ identys.
The idea is simply a possibiltys arround this.
eve since 2003
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.06 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Macmuelli Edited by: Macmuelli on 06/05/2011 20:45:51
---All I'm seeing here is a "NO", with a completely different non-related idea. While this idea may be useful or needed I don't see WHY it is you are arguing names should not be possible to be changed IF there is a way to track the changes permanently. Explain your opinion or reason why you are opposed-----
Let me try to explain it why changing names should be not possible in my opinion.
If u choose a name u should think twice before accepting it. If u have choosen one, and starts playing, u do your moves with all consequences.
Changing the name, means buying an "indulgence" of all sins, with the diffrent , that we cant avoid peoples any more. With this option peoples could steal again and agin, starts scamming without any consequenses.
U have 3 slots on the account, means the option of 3 names/ identys.
The idea is simply a possibiltys arround this.
You are not understanding the key point to this feature/idea and forum post.
Please reread these posts:
Major Posts 1 and 2
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Major Post 3
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Macmuelli
Gallente Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2011.05.06 22:29:00 -
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"If" this would come, Addig a name history should come directly with this option. Waiting to the next patch it s a too big timeframe.
About your classical scenario i think, your idea would make things handy and easier, but in the moment u or someone else had accept choosen a "funny" name, u should know probally going a hard way one Day.
Similar names within the corp can be covered easy in teamspek when Simply choose a nickname for one of them.
I see the market behind there, and for sure there is a big demand, at least it would give new players the chance, getting a high skilled char, with his favourite names, when using plex. Or players which has serveral hig skiled chars, some extr money.
But it s a knife with 2 sharp sides.
It could make the skilling itself senseless, when the market is floated with chars of all levels. New players wouldnt be probally in here so long, at least they dident get the point of skilling, seeing the diffrence. U will not have a strong relationship wiht our own char. Things could be soul less .
eve since 2003
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Macmuelli "If" this would come, Addig a name history should come directly with this option. Waiting to the next patch it s a too big timeframe.
About your classical scenario i think, your idea would make things handy and easier, but in the moment u or someone else had accept choosen a "funny" name, u should know probally going a hard way one Day.
Similar names within the corp can be covered easy in teamspek when Simply choose a nickname for one of them.
I see the market behind there, and for sure there is a big demand, at least it would give new players the chance, getting a high skilled char, with his favourite names, when using plex. Or players which has serveral hig skiled chars, some extr money.
But it s a knife with 2 sharp sides.
It could make the skilling itself senseless, when the market is floated with chars of all levels. New players wouldnt be probally in here so long, at least they dident get the point of skilling, seeing the diffrence. U will not have a strong relationship wiht our own char. Things could be soul less .
I'm having a hard time through the clichTs and spelling errors understanding if you support or are opposed to this. I hate to sound like a jerk for calling you out on this, but come on.
The scenario is there to present one of the many situations name changes are desirable. Deciding that players need further punishment for something petty like a name is absolutely ridiculous as it isn't part of game-play..
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The Ying
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sanskrit
Originally by: SXmasteraccount
Originally by: Darth Sanskrit
i agree we should be able to change our name and this blasphemy of ccp being able to change there name shows that we should be allowed also. even if it cost money then why are they complaining. i mean hey if they dont want the money thats ccp's loss just shows that maybe they arent as smart as the people from WoW or Aion. just saying because both those games suck but they have a name change maybe ccp needs to change a little to meet customer satisfaction rates. For the "identity is lost" that the entire point of changing your name so you can start anew.
one thing i can say without worry is that
WOW=crappy game play but fantastic customer service EVE= Fantastic Game play but crappy customer service
What if EvE remained a fantastic game and also had fantastic CS? It's not impossible ;)
in order for this to happen one of two things would need to happen -CCP actually listens to its customers for once. ~cough probably never cough~ -CCP quits and gives someone who actually cares about its customers the rights to fix this crap
Funny to see games with totally CRAP graphics getting more customers because of customer services. I even ask myself why it's called customer services...
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.14 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Ying Funny to see games with totally CRAP graphics getting more customers because of customer services. I even ask myself why it's called customer services...
Because it is service for the customers!
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.14 12:13:00 -
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I don't see any problem with the OP's proposal. Anyone who claims it will somehow break the game, lead to microtransactions, or be exploitable can quietly smack themselves and go back to watching Fox news. We don't need your mindless banter here. --
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Lenasha
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Posted - 2011.05.15 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim I don't see any problem with the OP's proposal. Anyone who claims it will somehow break the game, lead to microtransactions, or be exploitable can quietly smack themselves and go back to watching CNN. We don't need your mindless banter here.
Fixed that for you
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.17 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lenasha
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim I don't see any problem with the OP's proposal. Anyone who claims it will somehow break the game, lead to microtransactions, or be exploitable can quietly smack themselves and go back to watching CNN. We don't need your mindless banter here.
Fixed that for you
I sadly actually agree to that haha. Have you ever read some of the comments on CNN.com.. Holy **** people are stupid.
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Humpfgrunz
Gallente Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.17 17:47:00 -
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Coming from a corp, where about 5 or 6 characters were forced to be renamed by CCP, I give you the following hint:
Just have an idiot petition your Character's Name because:
a) The Character name is identic to some local politician in [insert 3rd world village far off any population here]. b) The Character name resembles really bad curses and sexual perversion/harrassment/**** in [insert some 3rd world far off any population language here].
GM's will then just rename your char towards [Race][Membertype][Random Number] and you may send them a petition with the name you wish your character to bear in the future.
In memory of: IR Ape (now MinmatarCitizen 675328) Gordo****** (now Captn Haddock) ChristophBlocher (now Oberst Landa) I like pirates - for lunch |
Ollora Denebe
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Posted - 2011.05.17 22:31:00 -
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WIth regards to character transfers, I feel that a name change should be MANDATORY. Otherwise, people who knew your character may make assumptions about who are, and what your experience is, etc. You might be invited into a Corp because someone knew the character before, and the player has no need to inform anyone that this isn't the original owner.
As far as in-game name changes go, why not? Who does it hurt? Have name changes cost something like 30 million ISK, and name searches cost 1 million ISK. I don't know if CCP needs another ISK sink, but I doubt it would imbalance the economy.
Instead, since we can apparently transmit out consciousness into a clone a thousand lightyears away -- what about "clone transplants" where we can zap our consciousness into a completely new character. A random half of all skills are kept, a quarter get converted into re-allocatable skill points, and the other quarter are lost. But now you can have a whole new body, and a whole new lease on life.
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W'A'R
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Posted - 2011.05.21 00:28:00 -
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I must agree that a name change should be mandatory when buying/selling a character. Lets say you buy a character with a very good reputation toward an alliance, you steal 200bil from that alliance, thank you come again.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: W'A'R I must agree that a name change should be mandatory when buying/selling a character. Lets say you buy a character with a very good reputation toward an alliance, you steal 200bil from that alliance, thank you come again.
I disagree! the character rep should remain so the person selling pays the price for his actions (as long as a buyer does his due diligence). ...otherwise, you will have selling exploits where some corp thief can sell the character to a friend of himself and by pass consequences, keeping a character with points and a different identity.. bad thing.
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SXmasteraccount
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Originally by: W'A'R I must agree that a name change should be mandatory when buying/selling a character. Lets say you buy a character with a very good reputation toward an alliance, you steal 200bil from that alliance, thank you come again.
I disagree! the character rep should remain so the person selling pays the price for his actions (as long as a buyer does his due diligence). ...otherwise, you will have selling exploits where some corp thief can sell the character to a friend of himself and by pass consequences, keeping a character with points and a different identity.. bad thing.
This name change thread supports what you said. The character changing names will keep all notes, standings, physical appearance, AND it gets put right on their history tab. I think the guy you quoted just meant we should get name changes in the event the buyer purchased a character who ripped off a corp and it wasn't made public until after the sale. (Or some sort of similar situation)
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Liz Oz
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:50:00 -
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I support this.
All of the different suggestions people have made to track said character name changes is great.
Additionally I would like suggest allowing a "one time only name change" request.
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: SXmasteraccount Edited by: SXmasteraccount on 30/04/2011 01:50:34
Bold text is not just there for show. Please read this forum before posting "No" or "Seen this before"
Classic Scenario:
So I sold my character and purchased a new character on the Character Bazaar. It's name pretty much sucks and to top it off now there is someone in my corp with a name pronounced the same, only spelled different. Listening in on Comms (TS3 or Vent) is a nightmare.
The reason for purchase? Finding characters with exactly what you want is no small feat.
There is no option and has never been an option to rename this character. I petition to change it and get denied because it violates CCP's policies and procedures. .... *Facepalm*
-Implement this option as a stand alone service with a 5 to 10 dollar fee. -Include a single time use to Rename the character and change the portrait upon purchasing the character. -In the next patch add a 'Name History' tab similar to Employment History so the so called "identity" is never erased or just combine both tabs.
Not only will this give CCP another service to offer customers to actually make us happy it will also bring in new sources of revenue currently being denied. The demand is there and the only supply is to illegally sell the account and make a new one or to purchase a character.
So it's either supporting RMT or supporting Whoring yourself (My so called identity) out. Are these two options something CCP wishes to further promote? Blasphemy!
Edit in as of 3/6/2011:
I'd like to emphasize in this original post that creating a history like this creates API options as well. For this option to be implemented these would also need to happen as well;
Name changes would be required to NOT remove or alter any standings or notes.
Name changes would be required to flag a character who has recently had a name change for x amount of days/weeks. (A simple small icon, color display, or even an asterisk would be enough.)
Edit in as of 4/30/2011: I have added a summary to page 9, the current last page. Find it here
Redoing the portrait is easy enough. Renaming is not yet bug free and causes some server side issues that are problematic. Name History would suffer from some of the same problems as renaming would.
It is not at the top of the list but once the bugs are killed renaming will be possible.
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Marexlovox
Gallente Incidental Damage
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Posted - 2011.05.26 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Marexlovox on 26/05/2011 18:01:16 Changing name no. But maybe tranfer of SP to another character on account maybe, but you will be unable to delete that character from account that the transfer came from, and a fee would be needed of course. That is something I would agree with.
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Shieko Chan on 26/05/2011 18:46:54
This would be a fat can of worms if it's implemented. Players should never be allowed to change names.. at all. Not for love or money. There are many exploitive reasons that are good enough to cause me to say no way.
The easiest is there is a mission bot factory somewhere in my home area.. hundreds of new characters float through a week with names like "dhdgdfgw" in corps of the same name. They build LP and gather insignias while training.. If you could change the names suddenly all these lame bots would have a whole new value, as characters for sale - probably out of game.
NO, players should never be able to change names.. never!
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