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Martinjo163
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Posted - 2011.03.01 17:55:00 -
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I have read alot now, and cant figure out which ship to train for, Im going for Plex i lowsec,
Im flying in Minitar ships whit 3.6 mill sp in gunnery and good armor skills
Shall i go for loki ore legion Maybe even a good fit
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SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.03.01 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 01/03/2011 21:27:19 You realise everyone and their dogs are going to reply "Tengu".. right? :)
My general understanding of the situation is that the Legion isn't all its cracked up to be as a T3 so you are better with just about anything else. This dissapoints me greatly if thats in fact the case because I fly predominantly Amarr.
Edit: Added something constructive. ---
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:55:00 -
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Tengu
Many people say that the Loki, with its crap DPS and mediocre tank, cannot even reliably handle L4 missions.
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Industrialist12
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:01:00 -
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[Loki, loki] LADAR Backup Array II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Depleted Uranium M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Depleted Uranium M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Depleted Uranium M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Depleted Uranium M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Depleted Uranium M
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
About the best fit i could come up with, for running low sec/0.0 blood raider/sansha plexes....Has a good tank and is un-probeable, unfortunately due to it's pathetic range(12km) and lol dps(325), it's really not that good. If i had to use a T3, i'd use the Tengu, and barrign that, The Legion is probably better....dunno though.
Unfortunately, Tengu does everything betetr then any of the other T3s.
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Fulmar Muse
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:32:00 -
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tengu
Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. huuh!
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers Tengu
Many people say that the Loki, with its crap DPS and mediocre tank, cannot even reliably handle L4 missions.
Loki is more than fine for l4, people unable to do lvl4 in it are just bad.
Its only real problem is the range, but at 800m/s it's not -that- much of a problem. I have a Tengu, but against Angels I think I'd use a Loki : more dps (Hail > Scourge Fury), and drones to take out the pesky frigs the Tengu doesn't like.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.02 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 02/03/2011 02:40:15
Originally by: OT Smithers Tengu
Many people say that the Loki, with its crap DPS and mediocre tank, cannot even reliably handle L4 missions.
I believe your Loki must have been born disabled then...
[Loki, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hobgoblin II x5
Take along a cloak and probe launcher to refit where ever you need to. This setup does 660 DPS without implants
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2011.03.02 15:26:00 -
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Loki should do fine.
Don't waste time trying to be unprobable. They can scan down the plex and find you. Just pay attention.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.02 15:33:00 -
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Plex's in low sec != lvl4's
Difference isnt all that great, better tank/speed on Loki v better DPS/range on Legion
Also Loki chews through ammo like a monster whereas cargo full of crystals can last you a few weeks.
Depends what region you're in too, if going up against EM/therm weak rats Legion kicks serious amounts of ass and I'd recommend that. Loki will be slightly more versatile, and long range web can come in handy too, plus the 800m/s means its short(ish) range isnt much of an issue, Legion needs to fly into multif range to do max DPS aswell anyway.
Loki if you want a more versatile ship and dont have a prob with chewin through 20k rounds a day
Legion if you plan to PLEX in a particular region for prolonged periods
Anyone who says Legions useless is a misinformed tool, tengoo's far far overrated simply because its versatile and has a nice tank -----------------
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:51:00 -
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Headerman's fit is awesome but tengu is better for pve stuff. It's not a troll, it's just too obvious.
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Martinjo163
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Posted - 2011.03.09 08:39:00 -
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Im going for amar space. yea and all is writing tengu, but dont wont to go that way :) Second fit is very nice, thx all
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2011.03.09 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 09/03/2011 14:48:03 I did also look at legion recently, I thkn I figured its problem finally...
legion has less dps than absolution since its bonus is 10% damage while absolution's is 5% damage and 5% rof which means at level 5 rof is 0.75 meaning 1.25*1/0.75=1.666 dps while legion gets 1.5 bonus. so it's 11.1% less dps.
reasons you pick Legion instead of abso: * you want more optimal and ready to sacrifice dps for that * less sig and speed, meaning better tank. however this is compensated partially by 1 less low slot. * extra perks for specialized purposes like scanning, cloaking etc.
as of tengu, well, dps-wise it's only better than (or on par with) Absolution with HAMs and kinetic missiles which means 30 km range with good skills... while abso can to about 17km (with rigs) plus it has falloff and I can switch crystals on my abso.
sure tengu is still better but for it you need absurd amount of ammunition (with extremely expensive faction option) while with lasers you need 1 set of crystals or a few of them for faction, takes no space comparing with all the missiles.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:13:00 -
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The tengu is one of the best PVE ships out there for sure.
However if you have not trained up for one and/or have no missile skills, it is a pretty far off goal to obtain just to run PVE missions/plexs faster.
If you do have skills suited to a T3 that is easy to get, go for it. You will find down the track that skilling up on missiles or cross training to Caldari will be more appropriate than other things.
So yeah. Tengu if you can, Loki is a given if you can fly one. While they are not as good as a Tengu, they are still very good
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eek amouse
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: eek amouse on 10/03/2011 02:15:49
Originally by: Headerman Edited by: Headerman on 02/03/2011 02:40:15
Originally by: OT Smithers Tengu
Many people say that the Loki, with its crap DPS and mediocre tank, cannot even reliably handle L4 missions.
I believe your Loki must have been born disabled then...
[Loki, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hobgoblin II x5
Take along a cloak and probe launcher to refit where ever you need to. This setup does 660 DPS without implants
i don't have caldari cruiser 5 or good missile skills, so this setup is intriguing as i can fly a loki really effectively already. i recently moved to low sec blood raider space and was trying to figure out a setup for doing the 4/10-6/10 sites there. not really familiar with the sites and how extensive the neuting is. if i switched to a thermic hardener, the resists would be pretty nuts, so i can imagine just the medium repper could probably keep up.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:06:00 -
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Yeah if it is against blood raiders, you could swap the EANM and hardener for 2 therm hardeners (em is already over 90%). If there are no webbers, you should be able to fly fast enough and knock out neuters before your cap runs dry or your armour disintegrates.
If you wish to add more EHP, that fit can accommodate
an 800 tungsten plate for an extra 50% in EHP
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