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Toilarmius
Minmatar Auxilia Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:21:00 -
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An easy solution to abate the woes of PvP hungry pilots. My arguments:
Capsuleer's are afraid to be idnetified with a "bad" fit. They don't want to be forever immortalized as "that failfit guy/gal". It's usually considered socially unacceptable within the Eve community to try out new fits, or things they may believe work. Why? Because most of the time people point and laugh as there is typically a general consensus on how to fit each ship class for PvP. Epeens shrink with "evidence" of killboards/killmails.
The number of wins/losses seem to matter. People won't undock or engage if they feel it a losing cause, or have even the slightest doubt. They will hide or do whatever possible not to "mess up" or further deteriorate their killboard. It's not always that a pilot can't replace their ship, it's sometimes that they don't want to take a stat hit.
Bragging rights from posting and checking of killboards seem to occur frequently. Shouldn't universal stardom or infamy come from word of mouth and not killboards? If you truly make a name for yourself, other capsuleers will spread the word of your actions on their own.
In the end, I believe more capsuleers would undock or square off because the upkeep of appearances would be removed. Isn't the fight itself more important then the outcome? I realize the removal of these may also be the downfall for certain types of posts on these forums. What's more important to PvP'ers, proof or GTFO posts, or actual PvP?
I present this post to you, my fellow furry forum friends. Please respond after you have sufficiently checked my stats, because that's what qualifies me to post this stuff, right? --- Originally by: CCP Fallout I can scan (but don't have time atm) a picture of one of my mother's modeling photos and you'd see hers as well, and she's more obviously a women than I'll ever be.
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Implying Implications
Minmatar Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:23:00 -
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It's this thread again.
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DonHel
Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:25:00 -
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no
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:26:00 -
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Show us on the doll where the gankers caught you with 40+ PLEX in your cargohold.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mya ElleTerego on 03/03/2011 17:28:51 Short answer, No.
Long answer we need that information at leadership levels to ensure our members aren't lacking in training, or discipline, or effectiveness. Also we need to know if they are going all sigarri faction pinata on us. Those factors can attract permanent roaming pvpers to your space, and some organizations wouldn't want that. Just because someone is terrible doesn't mean you always hold it against them, unless they joined the wrong corp. You dont come and join my corp and fit random trash on your ships, you will get booted out of hand, and ridiculed, by leadership and members. There are groups however, that will recruit those types of new players and try and mold them into something decent, see RvB, or factional warfare, lowsec scrub pirates, etc.
Combat record for Toilarmius Lifetime Kills Losses 24 25 And no your not qualified to write this kind of crap. Go away.
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Doshia
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Doshia on 03/03/2011 17:33:34 KB are the only way to prove kills and without them people would just scream lier when others tell them of their accomplishments.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:39:00 -
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Gonna leave this here: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11246364/
Originally by: Mya ElleTerego
Combat record for Toilarmius Lifetime Kills Losses 24 25 And no your not qualified to write this kind of crap. Go away.
I suppose you grade your logistics pilots on how many killmails they've got too? (Yes, I still wub you)
Originally by: Doshia KB are the only way to prove kills and without them people would just scream lier when others tell them of their accomplishments.
And then there's people who post fake lossmails. Obviously killboards are a foolproof way to prove kills, losses, and PVP accomplishments.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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DonHel
Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: DonHel on 03/03/2011 17:50:53 Edited by: DonHel on 03/03/2011 17:49:51
Originally by: Mya ElleTerego Edited by: Mya ElleTerego on 03/03/2011 17:28:51 Short answer, No.
Long answer we need that information at leadership levels to ensure our members aren't lacking in training, or discipline, or effectiveness. Also we need to know if they are going all sigarri faction pinata on us. Those factors can attract permanent roaming pvpers to your space, and some organizations wouldn't want that. Just because someone is terrible doesn't mean you always hold it against them, unless they joined the wrong corp. You dont come and join my corp and fit random trash on your ships, you will get booted out of hand, and ridiculed, by leadership and members. There are groups however, that will recruit those types of new players and try and mold them into something decent, see RvB, or factional warfare, lowsec scrub pirates, etc.
Combat record for Toilarmius Lifetime Kills Losses 24 25 And no your not qualified to write this kind of crap. Go away.
hey now! he did kill a rifter solo once... with a retriever.. rifter was pretty fail fit ofc lol
edit: i take that back, he tickled a fail fit rifter while concord killed it
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Arbryl
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:53:00 -
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Wait, people stay in stations for fear of having lossmails posted? I usually stay in stations to avoid losing millions of isk.
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I suppose you grade your logistics pilots on how many killmails they've got too? (Yes, I still wub you)
You know me all too well. ♥ Mya in a logi ship.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:57:00 -
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Just remove the lossmails so the boards only show your amount of kills.
That way people don't have to be afraid to engage slightly stronger gangs because it may hard their win/loss ratio or make them less attractive for corps who worry so much about their killboard standings. Furthermore it will only encourage people to do PvP; after all who cares about losing 3 ships if you still kill one?
Lossmails is one of the most inhibiting things for a lot of people, you may find it silly but it works like that in EVE for a lot of people (I know a lot of them), perhaps even for the majority of PvP oriented players.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Just remove the lossmails so the boards only show your amount of kills.
That way people don't have to be afraid to engage slightly stronger gangs because it may hard their win/loss ratio or make them less attractive for corps who worry so much about their killboard standings. Furthermore it will only encourage people to do PvP; after all who cares about losing 3 ships if you still kill one?
Lossmails is one of the most inhibiting things for a lot of people, you may find it silly but it works like that in EVE for a lot of people (I know a lot of them), perhaps even for the majority of PvP oriented players.
If there's a killmail... That's also a lossmail for somebody...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:13:00 -
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Every multiplayer game I have encountered which tracks stats has suffered for it. Not because stats are bad, but because of the tendency of players to become obsessed with them. -
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Jame Jarl Retief
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:17:00 -
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I'm new to the game, but not to gaming, and I kinda understand where you're coming from. Some people are so preoccupied with their kill:death ratio that they really lose sight of many things, including the fact that it is, after all, just a game.
I've yet to experience the PvP aspect of EVE, but last game with a kill:death counter I played was BF:BC2, and there the kill****ing reached absurd levels. People would throw games, and hide in the bushes for 30 mins, losing the match in the process, just to come out with a 3-0 or 5-0 ratio, all in an effort to drive up their rating and make themselves seem superior.
But I also don't think the mechanic has that effect on everyone. I had a deep negative kill:death ratio on my character in that game, because the only kills I got were accidental or defensive. I played an engineer, primarily as armor support. I kept our armor alive, and I made things difficult for the enemy armor. And I died for it. A lot. Didn't deter me in the slightest.
But if I had to vote on this issue, I would vote for the removal of the killmails. I don't think they add to the gameplay, and speaking for myself I wouldn't bother with reporting kills unless the corp I'm in required it. Knowing that I won or lost is enough for me, I don't feel the need to tweet and facebook to the whole world about it.
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Stephen Grover Cleveland
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:19:00 -
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So what if they shun you for it? I say ignore the trolls. More power to you if you're willing to try something different.
As per your question: no. While killboards can serve as a platform to demean based on a terrible fit or some other reason, they do provide a service for you to study what you were up against, and learn from your mistakes. (more killmails than anything, but killboards are basically an extension of them)
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha If there's a killmail... That's also a lossmail for somebody...
Why should there be?
Yes the killboard could still show who was the victim - but if you look up the victim it will only tell its kills, not its losses. That way the kill:loss ratio doesn't exist anymore without the need to remove interestring things like ship setups and such.
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Desya Dak'ann
Caldari Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:46:00 -
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Its like telling a carebear hes no longer allowed to mine, or produce goods for the eve community THIS IS NOW A WIDOT FAILTHREAD! |
Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:51:00 -
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bla bla bla
give us war reports (similer to corp "confirmed kills" tab)
and maybe some tabs with pretty graphs from the stats, and yes this applies to fw too!!!!
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Xan So'Sarian
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:53:00 -
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I support the removal of kill boards.
Corporation:black-body Kills:140 Real kills:124 Losses:8 Damage done (ISK):68.13B Damage received (ISK):0.21B Chance of enemy survival:6.06% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):99.69%
They do not actuarially reflect ones ability.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Gonna leave this here: Link removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist
If I linked some fan fest vids would they be removed?
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Misstress Iteron
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Doshia KB are the only way to prove kills and without them people would just scream lier when others tell them of their accomplishments.
And then there's people who post fake lossmails. Obviously killboards are a foolproof way to prove kills, losses, and PVP accomplishments.
-Liang
API verified?
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: AkJon Ferguson on 03/03/2011 19:29:00 So killboards discourage people from failfits (which seem to be rampant in spite of them) and this is a bad thing how?
Killboards could definitely be improved (many of the stats that are prominently displayed (like kills/deaths) are essentially meaningless and the points system (which could be quite meaningful) could use a revamp.) And if CCP didn't fail so hard, killmail info (including podkills) would have been made accurate years ago. But removing them would be an insanely boneheaded move, even by CCP's standards.
An imperfect scoreboard is better than no scoreboard at all. If you're such a wimp that you're not undocking because you're afraid someone will see your lossmail, you weren't cut out for PVP anyway.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson So killboards discourage people from failfits (which seem to be rampant in spite of them) and this is a bad thing how?
Missing the point. -
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/03/2011 19:35:37
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson An imperfect scoreboard is better than no scoreboard at all. If you're such a wimp that you're not undocking because you're afraid someone will see your lossmail, you weren't cut out for PVP anyway.
Which is valid for a lot of players. The effect is that a lot of people don't do PvP or go lowsec while they otherwise would have.
So that's what you want, people staying in highsec? Well congratulations, you have it your way.
Without any training options like arenas, no gain from PvP, loss of implants, killboard drama, CCP effectively causes a lot of players not to do PvP or only engage in blobs, and you agree with that. Well just don't come complaining lowsec is empty then.
@Crumplecorn: how do you change signature so often? Very nice! :o
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:06:00 -
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If they got rid of killmails they'd ruin all my interest in the game ... if anything they need to expand on this sort of thing, allowing people to see what others are doing in the universe. I'd like to see agents disclose who they've paid bounties too and the secure commerce association list the total brokerages fee's paid by each character each month and things like that.
There've been countless threads on it, so i'm not going to rehash the arguments, but the long and short of it is that if I'm looking at combat as some fast twitch competition over the computer i've got dozens upon dozens of games like that.... lots of them fps and far better in terms of fair fights etc.
What this game has that almost no others have is the abilty for players to shape the sustained virtual world around them. Its not all phyical changes but that who your neighbers are maters significantly in terms of dominance and markets etc.
Making that story easier to access and spread overcoming time contraints and shortening the time fractal to gain that knowledge vs rl is vital to pushing this area of mmo play.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 03/03/2011 20:43:44
Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/03/2011 18:31:18
Originally by: Aiwha If there's a killmail... That's also a lossmail for somebody...
Why should there be?
Yes the killboard could still show who was the victim - but if you look up the victim it will only tell its kills, not its losses. That way the kill:loss ratio doesn't exist anymore without the need to remove interestring things like ship setups and such. Or even better: make the victim's name anonymus.
Anonymous is about as useful as posting fake kill mails. One man's kill is another man's loss, you can't exactly kill someone who didn't lose anything can you?
Killboards are not run by CCP, you would have to contact every killboard operator and tell them to remove losses. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.03 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Implying Implications It's this thread again.
Yeah... it's sad. The same old trolls all over again.
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Xuthi
Minmatar EAT THE POOR
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Posted - 2011.03.03 21:06:00 -
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/agrees with OP.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.03.03 21:15:00 -
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Hey, I have always been in favor of a complete removal of killmails and all the e-peen stroking nerds that goes with those.
Unfortunately for me, some of those nerds are working for CCP.
Well, at least "official killboards" have been kept out of the game, so I guess we can meet half way. Though, knowing the yearly cycle of forum topics it will not be long before some body asks why CCP haven't implemented those.
-- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.03.03 21:24:00 -
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Sounds like op got killed while flying a Ctrl + A + fit to ship fit.
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