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epic skillz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:13:00 -
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We all know that having -isk is a bad bad thing for you, I was just browsing the forums and saw the rules in char trading that you must say if the char have -isk on it...
Now if a char has say -10mil and sells there char for lets say 5bil, obviously thats bad for the new owner..
But, what if a char has -2bil and gets 10bil for the char? do you still need to state that your in -isk? how does it work?
I mean obviously if you sell your char, once they xfer the isk to you your - 2bil isk will become + 8bil isk, and when you move that is to an alt, your pretty much sending the person who bought your char a positive wallet char..
am I just getting abit drunk and being stupid, or is what Im thinking right?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:21:00 -
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What is this suffix '-isk'? Never seen it before in my years of teaching English.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:27:00 -
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Is this real life?
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 06/03/2011 00:31:55 Good freakin' question. I've never done character sales, but doesn't the isk get sent to the character being transferred? If that's the case, a negative wallet balance would get zeroed out and the selling player pockets the difference, in which case why would the new owner even care? If that's not the case, and the isk gets sent to a different character from the one being transferred, I can see where that would be really important as that would be completely evading RMT punishments by passing it on to some stranger.
*edit: in the first case, if the negative balance is more than the sell value of the character, why bother selling anyway, except for griefing? You'd might as well biomass the toon.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: epic skillz
But, what if a char has -2bil and gets 10bil for the char? do you still need to state that your in -isk? how does it work?
I mean obviously if you sell your char, once they xfer the isk to you your - 2bil isk will become + 8bil isk, and when you move that is to an alt, your pretty much sending the person who bought your char a positive wallet char..
am I just getting abit drunk and being stupid, or is what Im thinking right?
You still have to state that the character being sold has a negative wallet balance, though mentioning that once the buyer gets the toon said balance will be out of the red will render the issue moot from that POV.
It's more a formality for small negative balances, but since CCP are very anal about character transfers (it's the only part of the game you can't scam with aside from GTCs) it's usually best to just go with it. |
Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.03.06 00:32:00 -
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Your post points out an obvious problem with a VERY obvious solution.
I can understand why someone would want to sell a negative-isk character, but why would anyone want to buy one?
Beyond that, I think that this would work out to be a way to avoid the consequences of buying isk through non-approved sources. If YOUR actions end up having no consequences, then YOU don't learn a lesson.
If CCP allows this kind of sale, they should just go ahead and admit that they have lost complete control of the game to the RMT-ers.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.06 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2011 01:05:07
And that's why the current character sale rules (specifically, rule #3, which is even highlighted in a different colour) state that the one purchasing the character has to wire the ISK to the character being sold, and the old owner then transfers the ISK wherever he wants, THEN he initiates the character sale. Also, take note of rule #2, where it says you MUST disclose any negative wallet balance and its severity.
Effectively, this means you can't sell a character with too much negative ISK for profit unless the sales price was higher than the negative (as absolute value).
Or, as an example, in your "minus 2 bil ISK wallet char getting sold for 10 bil ISK" scenario: * the character being sold receives 10 bil ISK -> wallet goes to positive 8 bil * the old owner gets to transfer up to 8 bil ISK somewhere else to an alt of his to bring the wallet down to zero * old owner can finally transfer the char to whoever paid 10 bil ISK for it
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Valari Nala Zena
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Posted - 2011.03.06 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Valari Nala Zena on 06/03/2011 01:07:38 The buyer is required to transfer the isk, to the character that is being sold.
So, as long the negative isk isn't bigger than the isk you get for the character, why not fill your own negative wallet with isk yourself before selling it.
The seller could in theory just fill up the negative isk balance himself and then sell the character. By doing that, you don't have to mention your character has a negative balance since it doesn't anymore.
2 simple examples:
current isk balance = minus 2 billion isk, character sells for 8 billion.
Case 1: Original owner adds + 2 billion isk to his own negative wallet from an alt, then mentions he is selling a positive wallet character. He will get 8 billion into his wallet, so he actually received 6 billion since he had to add his own 2 billion first to get the -2 away.
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Case 2: The original owner mentions he is selling a character with a negative wallet balance, receives the 8 billion isk, which adds to the minus 2 billion = -2 + 8 = 6 billion.
In both cases the result is the same, except in case 1 he didn't have to mention that he had a negative wallet right?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.06 01:07:00 -
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Yeah, but he had to have access to 2 bil ISK liquid, which he doesn't need to in the other case. Positives and negatives in both approaches... _
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epic skillz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 02:36:00 -
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very interesting, so what if for example, you have a lets say 80mil skillpoint char, with a -30bil isk...
a char worth alot of isk, yet selling would be almost impossible not to mention pointless.. and I don't see them allowing us to "wipe" are dept on a char once its been transfered, or you could just transfer it to yourself for fun times..
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Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.03.06 03:00:00 -
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The message here is don't buy characters with negative wallets.
Even further down the line, CCP may find another spurious transaction they need to investigate and you would find yourself even worse off despite you being innocent.
tl/dr plenty of +wallet chars, why risk it.
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epic skillz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 03:32:00 -
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I once got a - isk wallet for nothing, I talked to some dude, he said he would pay my corp to war dec anouther corp / put someone in ther corp to disrupt things, I agreed, he got isk sent to me by some isk trader and yeps, -wallet for me a few days after I spent the cash on corp ships n such for members...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: epic skillz very interesting, so what if for example, you have a lets say 80mil skillpoint char, with a -30bil isk
Obviously, you (try to) sell it for 31+ bil ISK, get only 1+ bil ISK for it... _
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:43:00 -
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As long as the character the buyer receives has a positive wallet I don't see any problem selling negative wallet chars.
This old rule is from when the ISK receiving char was different to the sold char and as such pretty obsolete now.
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.03.06 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: epic skillz I once got a - isk wallet for nothing...
By definition, your story relates that it was NOT nothing, but something.
OK, you can claim you didn't know, etc., etc., etc., but the fact remains that you accepted money from someone you did not know. That right there should have been enough for you to at least wonder (and maybe ask through petition) about its source.
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