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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 09:05:00 -
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Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:
Be careful what you wish for...
Originally by: "Helen Highwater" As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, of course, be casting our votes for the official GSF candidates in the CSM elections. This is almost guaranteed to get Mittens and Vile Rat comfy chairs near the window for the 6th CSM. However we should not only consider our duty in elevating these worthies to their rightful position but also to ensure that the company they find themselves in is conducive to convivial conversation. There are several candidates who are likely to get elected but who are utterly toxic to the CSM process.
Chief amongst these is Trebor Daehdoow. He's been quite possibly the most useless waste of flesh on CSM 5 and, thanks to his high-visiblity and that his idiocy has been largely camouflaged by the NDA, has built something of a following amongst the least perceptive parts of the Eve community. He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion, he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day. He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s and still believes that this gives him an insight into modern MMO development. He also has a Wikipedia page that he wrote himself.
As this guy has a lot of name recognition going in to the election (he wrote most of the CSM communications that weren't done by either Teadaze or myself) he is very likely to get re-elected, he may even get the chair. This must not be allowed to happen. His weakness is game knowledge and I think it's important that he be challenged on this in his campaign thread to expose his cluelessness for all to see, he's pretty hard-headed and doesn't back down even when he has literally everybody else in the room telling him that he's wrong so this shouldn't be difficult.
Seriously, **** that guy.
I mean, if you live in empire and your biggest gripe with EVE is that you can't download a UI mod to make your sparklekestrel flight stick match your mind's eye hellokitty skin wrap, then you probably don't care about anything that would be of import to the CSM, so the 'UI guy' is a likely good vote.
If you live anywhere where your day-to-day concerns are more than 'do I have time to make one, or two, sandwiches while I autopilot to Jita' then this guy is going to be literal kryptonite for you as a rep.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Courthouse on 07/03/2011 09:09:00 Edited by: Courthouse on 07/03/2011 09:07:32 These have already been posted from a chatlog while I was discovering the depth of his lunacy, but I cleaned them up a bit for forumwhoring:
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He argued for a 'pinball' style Doomsday weapon change He argued FOR the Dominion style sov changes, with smaller, expensive holdings that were easier to defend. He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam) He's argued for highly exploitable features in the game with seemingly no understanding of game mechanics (especially as a self-claimed game developer) Front loading the client with packets that are 'decrypted' at a later time that supposedly would be 'unreadable' Fix blobs my making it so that you can't see anyone but the ships right next to you because of 'warp core interference' - Also Here Don't ban RMT bots, remove CONCORD protection for them! Allow 'shrink wrap' for more than just courier contracts - while this may be beneficial to goons because of the scamming opportunities, it essentially would destroy the contract system overall since none could be trusted. He wanted to remove the MWD/Cloak trick He's argued for and against changes to Local channel visibility. He wants the titan's Jump Portal to suck up everything around the titan, including the titan, itself, and jump it all to a cyno for a sneaky ambush trap ship
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Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
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Posted - 2011.03.07 10:48:00 -
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People will see what they want to see and normally logical people with dismiss all evidence to contrary just to conform with everyone else. While I don't agree with everything Helen's said (he can be pretty witty and funny) I am constantly amazed with how my views of Trebor conflict with the majority of others. I'm often disgusted with how much of a politician he can be - especially when he won't state his stance on something (or writes something ambigious to deflect the topic) because it could reflect badly on his image, and his latent ability to twist reality into sensical lies, a lot of the candidates are prone to similar. This doesn't mean he can't be or wouldn't be useful on the CSM, there is always the paperwork and data entry, or temper rages to get attention to an issue.. waiiittt a seccconddd...
Serious. IP
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Serious Internet Politician People will see what they want to see and normally logical people with dismiss all evidence to contrary just to conform with everyone else. While I don't agree with everything Helen's said (he can be pretty witty and funny) I am constantly amazed with how my views of Trebor conflict with the majority of others. I'm often disgusted with how much of a politician he can be - especially when he won't state his stance on something (or writes something ambigious to deflect the topic) because it could reflect badly on his image, and his latent ability to twist reality into sensical lies, a lot of the candidates are prone to similar. This doesn't mean he can't be or wouldn't be useful on the CSM, there is always the paperwork and data entry, or temper rages to get attention to an issue.. waiiittt a seccconddd...
Serious. IP
I suspect he'll succeed and win the chairmanship, since he has the endorsement of last year's chairwoman, plus he'll pick up the anti-nullsec vote.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:37:00 -
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It's almost like you guys are intentionally trying to push as many voters as possible his way.
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Rhes
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Courthouse
He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam)
This. Can. Not. Happen.
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:50:00 -
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Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.
I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny
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Zelda Wei
Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.03.07 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: "Helen Highwater"
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Conclusive proof the goons will only represent their own narrow interests to the detriment of Eve overall.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: ******AHalfShell Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.
I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny
Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.
Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?
Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?
He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.
Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?
I mean itĘs not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?
Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?
He is ignoring these questions which were asked in his thread because they pretty much expose his buffoonery.
But whatever, if the null sec alliance leaders get elected it will revert to the days when they used to control csm ū i.e., csm wonĘt matter anyway.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: ******AHalfShell Thanks for drawing attention to concrete failings, because the one thing I have noticed while reading his 'Re-elect me' thread is that he seems to be cherry-picking questions and avoiding anything where anyone calls him on his past comments.
I don't think that makes for a decent representative - if you want someone who can hold CCP's feet to the fire, he or she needs to be able to stand up to the same level of scrutiny
Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.
Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?
Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?
He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.
Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?
I mean itĘs not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?
Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?
He is ignoring these questions which were asked in his thread because they pretty much expose his buffoonery.
But whatever, if the null sec alliance leaders get elected it will revert to the days when they used to control csm ū i.e., csm wonĘt matter anyway.
What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?
I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: ******AHalfShell What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?
I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.
The original post is:
Originally by: Courthouse Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:
I don't care who you vote for. But if you are going to join in a goon thread attacking someone, don't be surprised if someone points out the goon candidate is worse than their intended target.
And, in any event, you failed to mention what specific questions Trebor was supposedly dodging. -Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.07 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: ******AHalfShell What does this have to do with the efficacy of Trebor?
I'm voting for Kalrand at this point, but rage away, I guess.
The original post is:
Originally by: Courthouse Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:
I don't care who you vote for. But if you are going to join in a goon thread attacking someone, don't be surprised if someone points out the goon candidate is worse than their intended target.
And, in any event, you failed to mention what specific questions Trebor was supposedly dodging.
Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).
I guess what you are saying is that in a 'goon thread' even if stuff makes sense I should expect people like you to contribute irrelevant and angry posts? Okay, I'll take that into consideration.
So now that I'm not surprised, please explain how your post is relevant in any way other than that it gives you a chance to say 'I hate goons' while presumably attempting to do damage control for Trebor.
Hint: it isn't
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roho816
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Posted - 2011.03.07 17:44:00 -
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I've got no dog in this show, and while "prevent goons from spamming local" isn't exactly a compelling reason to not vote for the guy, the goons do bring up an interesting list of things that ARE concerning.
Trebor sounds like he'd support something that sounds good, without thinking it all the way through. CCP does that by themselves enough (hi technetium!); if there's one thing everyone agrees the CSM is supposed to do its weed out the bad ideas or at least provide the dire warning that 'things will break.'
Add to that his penchant for deflection and I can't support him to be consistent or to do serious critical thinking on issues. Not sure who I'm going to vote for, but it has to be someone with a clear head on their shoulders.
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:33:00 -
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The Ankh Effect.
≡v≡ once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business. Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incar |
Habaticus
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:42:00 -
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Vote for Trebor - keep CSM relevant
Don't be fooled by the Goon propaganda drones in lock step like Courtroom and Halfhead. They will treat the CSM like they treat all their interactions: Blow It Up
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:35:00 -
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Those are seriously, compelling evidences. He's a complete idiot. Therefore I shall agree with the Goons and vote for Trebor - that would be the true GoonÖ way!
My only regret was not joining the Goons when I started my career, alas it is too late now Be assured however, I'm a true goon at heart even when I'm not joined to the mother hive. |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.07 21:07:00 -
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Vote Trebor, troll the goons.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.07 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 07/03/2011 21:15:31 Hero-in-ahalfshell: Trebor is dodging questions Cearain: which ones?
Originally by: ******AHalfShell Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).
Ah ok thank you for your contribution to this thread.
edit: the forum didn't want me to post your name for some reason. -Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.07 21:57:00 -
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Not all 0.0 people want to see The Mittani in a CSM seat. I think that's only reserved by those who miss some chromosomes.
The fact alone that Goons are trying to keep people from voting for Trebor should be proof enough that the Asylum inmates fear him.
As for The Mittani. I know Blimps that hold less hot air than him. He is so used to the sheep following his every command that he really thinks that wolves would follow him too.
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain Edited by: Cearain on 07/03/2011 21:15:31 Hero-in-ahalfshell: Trebor is dodging questions Cearain: which ones?
Originally by: ******AHalfShell Are you serious? Here's a hint: all the questions he has not answered are the questions he has not answered. It isn't my job to keep on top of those - I'm not claiming that I am a suitable CSM candidate (I am not).
Ah ok thank you for your contribution to this thread.
edit: the forum didn't want me to post your name for some reason.
I would go look here if you're still having trouble finding those questions he's avoiding answering. If you want me to tell you what to think then I would suggest you calm down and do some reading and make up your own mind, like what I done did. If you don't want me to tell you what to think then why would you believe anything I would tell you when you could source it yourself?
Sorry if that is kind of content-free but you didn't really give the impression of someone who had come here to do anything other than whine about something that is tangential at best.
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry Not all 0.0 people want to see The Mittani in a CSM seat. I think that's only reserved by those who miss some chromosomes.
The fact alone that Goons are trying to keep people from voting for Trebor should be proof enough that the Asylum inmates fear him.
As for The Mittani. I know Blimps that hold less hot air than him. He is so used to the sheep following his every command that he really thinks that wolves would follow him too.
How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: ******AHalfShell
How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!
Why do you need to jump on it asif your life depended on it to point out it isn't an automatic vote for The Mittani.
To be clear. I am a 0.0 resident. I am part of the NC I don't want to see Goons in the CSM And on a personal note which doesn't reflect my corporations stance. I do actually not want to see Goons anywhere but in Jita.
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Camios
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.07 23:19:00 -
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Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.
I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.03.07 23:30:00 -
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If there was ever a way to get more players to vote for Trebor, I haven't heard of it. Some random Goon above wrote, "Be careful what you wish for....". Indeed.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Camios Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.
I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!
I resent the implication that anything I wrote was manufactured or bull****. I have provided links to posts made by Trebor and a quote from a CSM 5 rep and made no recommendations as to where your vote(s) should go.
I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the terrible players who bandy behind Trebor as if he's some sort of messiah when in fact his ideas and platform are very likely going to make your EVE experience /worse/.
In CSM5 he was a recorder and editor and his "recommendations" all reflect that he put a basement dweller's level if interest and work into the menial tasks that no one else wanted to do, which is remarkable, if only to note that he's a perfect secretary, but he's not exemplified himself as a leader, someone who can prioritize tasks and delegate work to attain success, coupled with gameplay ideas that can only be described as CCP'esque'.
My hope is that people will see him for the sham he is and spare your votes for other more deserving candidates that will better represent your own selfish interests, as a democratic system demands.
Thus far people have been very receptive to this and I look forward to seeing more deserving candidates on CSM6.
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PC l0adletter
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Posted - 2011.03.08 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Camios Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.
I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!
Confirming that this is an extremely bizarre way to rally support for someone.
No doubt this was what the goon hive mind intended....
...BUT WHY???
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Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
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Posted - 2011.03.08 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: PC l0adletter
Originally by: Camios Oh so now goons hate Trebor, and write bull**** about him.
I'm definitely going to vote for Trebor!!
Confirming that this is an extremely bizarre way to rally support for someone.
No doubt this was what the goon hive mind intended....
...BUT WHY???
I doubt this was a sanctioned post. There is absolutely no doubt that Trebor was useful on the 5th CSM, he has just been awarded more credit that is his due. Alot of what made CSM5 successful is the other members, the CSMs new status, decisions within CCP itself and how they interact with the CSM. Don't get me wrong, Trebor contributed administratively for some things that needed to be done (and quite well), but giving him credit for things outside his control has created this uberversion of him that I just don't think is actual reality. If this image was intentionally crafted (whether by himself or Virt and Co) it is extremely diabolical and successful especially on SHC, and this is why he's deserving of credit.
Personally I'd like to see The Mittani and Trebor as co-chairpeople.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.03.08 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Serious Internet Politician I doubt this was a sanctioned post.
That sounds dubious... How could it NOT have been sanctioned when Courthouse posts it on goonswarm forums and The Mittani starts using the quotes on SHC soon after?
Originally by: Serious Internet Politician There is absolutely no doubt that Trebor was useful on the 5th CSM, he has just been awarded more credit that is his due. Alot of what made CSM5 successful is the other members, the CSMs new status, decisions within CCP itself and how they interact with the CSM. Don't get me wrong, Trebor contributed administratively for some things that needed to be done (and quite well), but giving him credit for things outside his control has created this uberversion of him that I just don't think is actual reality. If this image was intentionally crafted (whether by himself or Virt and Co) it is extremely diabolical and successful especially on SHC, and this is why he's deserving of credit.
While he has campaigned for his image like everyone else is supposed to do, it seems to have been very specific on differentiating what tasks HE did (e.g. crowdsourcing) and what CSM5 as a whole managed to do. That nberversion is the product of angsty bees.
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Payne666
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Posted - 2011.03.08 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Serious Internet Politician tralala
Serious. IP
I suspect he'll succeed and win the chairmanship, since he has the endorsement of last year's chairwoman, plus he'll pick up the anti-nullsec vote.
Damage control already....why I never.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:32:00 -
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What is more amazing is the amount of alts that pop up during these kinds of things which then go sling there dungheap opinions.
Those people must really suck badly or be overly concerned to be not posting with their mains. This can have several reasons.
- The main trolled soo darn much in the passt so it lost it's credibility ages ago already. - The main is afraid of being kicked out of it's current corp / alliance by some "fearless" leader. - The main is such an insignificant speck that it's postings are just as insignificant and by hiding behind a new alt it want's to give it's postings a sort of importance. - Some people metagame soo darn much they just can't do anything else than use new alts time and time again to keep the feeling of playing EVE.
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Josef Huffenpuff
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.08 11:21:00 -
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Confirming I'm an alt, but my mains will vote for Trebor. (and Seleene tbh)
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Bayushi Akemi
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Posted - 2011.03.08 11:43:00 -
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I listened to the podcast debate. Trebor had some good ideas, but sounded like he was standing on a soapbox. I'm sure he has been an effective member of CSM5, however, politicking is not something we need. Nor do we need what appears to be really terrible, potentially game breaking ideas like a pinball doomsday weapon.
There is no podcast for The Mittani yet, but I'd rather wait to hear what he has to say before shooting him down because of the corp he's in or because someone in his corp wanted to bring up some points that I have yet to see elsewhere on the forums.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bayushi Akemi
There is no podcast for The Mittani yet, but I'd rather wait to hear what he has to say before shooting him down because of the corp he's in or because someone in his corp wanted to bring up some points that I have yet to see elsewhere on the forums.
Reading the arrogance of The Mittani alone about how he's the saviour and will change everything because he's godlike is enough for me.
If I want to hear people like that I can just listen to certain politicians which I also don't take serious.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:21:00 -
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So let me get this straight: He would like changes to the stale and stagnant status quo to promote in-game conflict, cooperation and make Eve more of a challenge for the individual player.
Sounds like a truly horrible guy!!!!!111
Say no to anyone who wants alternatives uber-blobs funded by passive income and bots! So sayeth the Kitten .. errr, Mittens.
Lazy ass null-sec.
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: ******AHalfShell on 08/03/2011 14:14:07
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
How is being concerned about the character of Trebor an automatic vote for The Mittani? There are other people running, right? You guys are insane!
Why do you need to jump on it asif your life depended on it to point out it isn't an automatic vote for The Mittani.
To be clear. I am a 0.0 resident. I am part of the NC I don't want to see Goons in the CSM And on a personal note which doesn't reflect my corporations stance. I do actually not want to see Goons anywhere but in Jita.
I don't think my life depends on it (I play eve, so haha life etc) but:
You are posting as if it is an auto Mittani vote because - well, I don't know, but I guess it has something to do with hating Goons - but it isn't, so I am letting you know. I don't think this is something you should have an embolism over. You may disagree (I mean you are not exactly averse to hyperbole) but I think you're getting scared about something that isn't an issue.
If the only comeback to these claims is that I should vote for Trebor because it will upset the goonies then I don't think you are making a very strong case for your guy (I assume he is your guy, but maybe you are just posting in this angry manner because you think that not voting for Trebor is a vote for Mittani? Hehehehe).
edet for grammer
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Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:32:00 -
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If you can't explain why any of Trebor's ideas are good with a straight face then you shouldn't be posting in this thread to support him.
Quote:
[ 2006.08.25 22:30:46 ] fire 59 > mate, im 230 and 6 ft 3, half caste and train every day
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:38:00 -
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See here for an example in his own thread where he is either incompetent or lying. This sums up better than anything else why I don't want him on the CSM (and the poster is very pretty too)
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:53:00 -
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All I see is Goons and Goons alts trying to get ahead by smearing.
Nothing really new here.
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Minerva Seraph
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida So let me get this straight: He would like changes to the stale and stagnant status quo to promote in-game conflict, cooperation and make Eve more of a challenge for the individual player.
Sounds like a truly horrible guy!!!!!111
Say no to anyone who wants alternatives uber-blobs funded by passive income and bots! So sayeth the Kitten .. errr, Mittens.
Lazy ass null-sec.
Mittani's campaign has stated thus far that he's in favour of re-balancing moon materials (again), despite apparently feeding his minions on the teet of his moon income. Hate him for his personality and his arrogance, but don't knock him for his positions if you don't understand them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:57:00 -
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All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)
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Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41
All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)
Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?
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[ 2006.08.25 22:30:46 ] fire 59 > mate, im 230 and 6 ft 3, half caste and train every day
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41
All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)
Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?
I'm guessing that means it was a pretty direct hit on the old collective ego Sensitive little flowers you chaps turned out to be!
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Minerva Seraph
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/03/2011 19:23:41
All the words typed in the op would be better expressed by this single image (you'll have to google invasion of the body snatchers to properly understand the context if you are 11 or something.)
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Don't you have some more gay Gallente erotica you're supposed to be writing?
She's not even running and you're mudslinging. Care to post substance to this allegation?
(is it... yuri?)
Jade: This is an example of some of the worst kinds of discourse. In that other thread, I can appreciate your positions, but how is a former chair helping to shape the only democracy that matters in eve by posting crappy image macros?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:11:00 -
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I consider it an entirely on topic, concise and pointed TL:DR of the op post. If you don't understand the context then I suggest you check out the movie from your local dvd store.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'm guessing that means it was a pretty direct hit on the old collective ego Sensitive little flowers you chaps turned out to be!
trebor supporters literally believe an image macro is a direct hit to goonswarm's collective ego
this is probably the most damning evidence against him
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:35:00 -
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like there's no way that could even be a hit to anyone's ego even if we cared what someone who roleplays a spacehooker thought; it's not insulting in the least
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:36:00 -
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i apologize my memory failed me: roleplays as a space hooker and space madam of a space *****house
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:40:00 -
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That triple post is you literally turning over in the harbour with a broadside full of holes below the waterline ...
You know that don't you?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
That triple post is you literally turning over in the harbour with a broadside full of holes below the waterline ...
You know that don't you?
i triple post to show I can
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:43:00 -
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try it: your inferior posting skills won't let you do it
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:44:00 -
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ccp's forums will recognize you as an inferior poster and require the forums to recover before suffering the insult of another post of yours
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:45:00 -
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goonwaffe GARPA posting technology is state-of-the-art
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain Actually that would be the mittani who refuses to answer questions about his past and current statements.
Did he call the current csm a crop of idiots?
Did he post that it wasn't until recently that ccp actually claimed they would start listening to csm?
He claims that csm has no input on the development of the game (well then whats the point?) But he says they need to come together to be powerfull.
Does he think he will get a consensus on csm by calling all the other candidates liars?
I mean itĘs not like he even needs to campaign. Plenty of good little goony lemmings will vote for him. So why start out by calling all those on the csm with you liars and idiots?
Is it his inflated self worth that allows him to blithely ignore common sense?
Also, can he prove he was born in the USA and is in fact not a terrorist? THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT DEMAND ANSWERS
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Minerva Seraph
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.08 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Weaselior try it: your inferior posting skills won't let you do it
Please stop this. It's dumb.
You too, Jade.
Let the people enjoy the politics and the drama. Not pooping on the discourse.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Courthouse Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:
Be careful what you wish for...
Originally by: "Helen Highwater" As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, [blah blah blah]
Curious:
In this and this thread quoting the supposed "Goonfleet.com" post, I happened to notice your copy curiously omits a few key phrases.
Did you edit your post? Why? If you are going to cite your sources and yet edit them, how does anyone of us know that all which you say is accurate and pre-edit? Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: Courthouse Shamelessly crossposted from goonfleet.com and presented to you here as a courtesy by Corps Diplomatique, because we're looking out for you :O'Reilly:
Be careful what you wish for...
Originally by: "Helen Highwater" As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, [blah blah blah]
Curious:
In this and this thread quoting the supposed "Goonfleet.com" post, I happened to notice your copy curiously omits a few key phrases.
Did you edit your post? Why? If you are going to cite your sources and yet edit them, how does anyone of us know that all which you say is accurate and pre-edit?
The part in quotations was not editorialized in any way. I bolded a different series of sentences for focus, but did not change any text, words or grammar.
For clarity, here's a c/p of the original post on goonfleet.com without bolding any parts. I have included the underlined two words that appeared in the original as well as the emoticon that we have on our forums but does not work here, in its original form.
Quote: As loyal subjects of the Dear Leader we will all, of course, be casting our votes for the official GSF candidates in the CSM elections. This is almost guaranteed to get Mittens and Vile Rat comfy chairs near the window for the 6th CSM. However we should not only consider our duty in elevating these worthies to their rightful position but also to ensure that the company they find themselves in is conducive to convivial conversation. There are several candidates who are likely to get elected but who are utterly toxic to the CSM process.
Chief amongst these is Trebor Daehdoow. He's been quite possibly the most useless waste of flesh on CSM 5 and, thanks to his high-visiblity and that his idiocy has been largely camouflaged by the NDA, has built something of a following amongst the least perceptive parts of the Eve community. He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion, he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day. He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s and still believes that this gives him an insight into modern MMO development. He also has a Wikipedia page that he wrote himself. :cripes:
As this guy has a lot of name recognition going in to the election (he wrote most of the CSM communications that weren't done by either Teadaze or myself) he is very likely to get re-elected, he may even get the chair. This must not be allowed to happen. His weakness is game knowledge and I think it's important that he be challenged on this in his campaign thread to expose his cluelessness for all to see, he's pretty hard-headed and doesn't back down even when he has literally everybody else in the room telling him that he's wrong so this shouldn't be difficult.
Goonrushing his campaign thread will be too transparent, so don't do that. It's important that this is done from anonymous alts and phrased in ways that lead him to say dumb things himself rather than put him on the defensive.
Seriously, **** that guy.
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:40:00 -
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My personal 'gut' feeling; is that Trebor is dirty. I really don't have an opinion on Goon stance; but I did drop a vote for Mittani on my alt. Wouldn't vote for Vile Rat though; one Goon is enough, and it might as well be the one I might actually like.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 10/03/2011 11:40:39
Originally by: Courthouse
The part in quotations was not editorialized in any way. I bolded a different series of sentences for focus, but did not change any text, words or grammar.
This IS A **LIE**.
Given the character limits of the forums, I'll summarize:
Original Post: Quote: he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day.
Quote: Goonrushing his campaign thread will be too transparent, so don't do that. It's important that this is done from anonymous alts and phrased in ways that lead him to say dumb things himself rather than put him on the defensive. Seriously, **** that guy.
Both are missing from your quote. To say no edits were done is false. Now that I've proven the issue, what claims do you make to back-pedal out of this one? Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 10/03/2011 11:52:32
Originally by: Cassus Temon My personal 'gut' feeling; is that Trebor is dirty.
That's called projection.
And +1 to Jade Constantine's "YOU ARE NOT A GOON" summary of this whole stupid thread :)
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 10/03/2011 17:11:59
Originally by: Courthouse He argued for a 'pinball' style Doomsday weapon change
Seems to me that he was talking about a weapon that would chain damage, from ship to ship, gradually decreasing. His exact words "Think of it as a giant pinball of pain bouncing through the grid." He wasn't actually advocating turning Eve into a pinball game.
Originally by: Courthouse He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam)
Yeah, because that's what Eve needs more of: ascii macro spam. Granted, I don't like the idea, but your biggest complaint is that you can't spam ascii? Seriously?
Originally by: Courthouse Front loading the client with packets that are 'decrypted' at a later time that supposedly would be 'unreadable'
If there's a need to front load the client with important information, but not allow the client to read it until a certain time, then this is a way to do it. As long as the key is long enough it's perfectly secure. What's your problem with this?
Originally by: Courthouse Fix blobs my making it so that you can't see anyone but the ships right next to you because of 'warp core interference'
I found this to be an interesting idea. In a way it breaks up a large gang into smaller areas of fighting. This brings a host of problems - being able to see what is on the field, where the snipers are, logistics having trouble projecting - and it doesn't fix big blob vs. small gang. But, at least the guy is being creative and thinking outside of the box. Even a bad idea has the potential to become a good idea over time.
Originally by: Courthouse Allow 'shrink wrap' for more than just courier contracts
Yup, an idea proposed for, essentially, dynamically sized containers. That's so terrible. What is the world coming to?
Originally by: Courthouse He wanted to remove the MWD/Cloak trick
Try reading it again. He wanted to allow certain ships to activate a cloak while still under gate cloak. There's nothing in there about preventing someone from using the MWD/Cloak trick.
Originally by: Courthouse He's argued for and against changes to Local channel visibility.
Yeah, because after a year and a half between posts, he might not have had enough experience to change his mind?
Originally by: Courthouse He wants the titan's Jump Portal to suck up everything around the titan, including the titan, itself, and jump it all to a cyno for a sneaky ambush trap ship
Yup, a tongue-in-cheek, goofing off thread for "funny" fixes to titan jump bridges...
TL;DR: Goons once again display their lack of character by lying and twisting the truth. Or, their inability to read. Probably both.
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Aemmaria
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin [
TL;DR: Goons once again display their lack of character by lying and twisting the truth. Or, their inability to read. Probably both.
Goons do not have an ability to read, just by design. So in a sense you can't call that "inability". Semantics
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roho816
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: roho816 on 10/03/2011 17:47:10
Originally by: Andrea Griffin Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 10/03/2011 17:11:59 Seems to me that he was talking about a weapon that would chain damage, from ship to ship, gradually decreasing. His exact words "Think of it as a giant pinball of pain bouncing through the grid." He wasn't actually advocating turning Eve into a pinball game.
If there's a need to front load the client with important information, but not allow the client to read it until a certain time, then this is a way to do it. As long as the key is long enough it's perfectly secure. What's your problem with this?
I found this to be an interesting idea. In a way it breaks up a large gang into smaller areas of fighting. This brings a host of problems - being able to see what is on the field, where the snipers are, logistics having trouble projecting - and it doesn't fix big blob vs. small gang. But, at least the guy is being creative and thinking outside of the box. Even a bad idea has the potential to become a good idea over time.
Yup, an idea proposed for, essentially, dynamically sized containers. That's so terrible. What is the world coming to?
Try reading it again. He wanted to allow certain ships to activate a cloak while still under gate cloak. There's nothing in there about preventing someone from using the MWD/Cloak trick.
TL;DR: Goons once again display their lack of character by lying and twisting the truth. Or, their inability to read. Probably both.
The problem I have--retired 0.0 guy, now lowly empire industrialist here--is that he doesn't seem to think things through. You're quick to defend Treb and villify the goons' message without reading it. In game (and in CAOD) I'd never trust their word on things, but in regards to game mechanics you have to give them credit--they do seem to know what they're talking about more than most.
If you can't see that plastic wrap on demand would break courier contracts, that the cloaking-under-gate-cloak ability would make covert ops capable ships nigh-invulnerable (and thus render moving expensive things nearly 100% safe) and how inherently insecure it is to send system data to clients "in advance" I can't explain it to you simply enough. Poorly thought out and silly ideas are a real-life ISK per dozen, but a CSM rep needs to be able to take the 5 minutes to critically think them through to shut down the game-breaking ones--if for no other reason than to not waste CCP's time. (Or, more cynically, to not give them any more ammo to shoot their feet with)
Oh, and the limited-visibility idea? It already happens on broken nodes, and if you've ever tried to use a carrier to refit in a group you would know how shoddily CCP codes "closest ships" and how that idea would never work.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: roho816 cloaking-under-gate-cloak ability would make covert ops capable ships nigh-invulnerable (and thus render moving expensive things nearly 100% safe) and how inherently insecure it is to send system data to clients "in advance" I can't explain it to you simply enough.
I don't like a lot of his ideas either, that one included. My point is that he is being misrepresented. That is what I don't like. I'm one of those people who gets very annoyed when people are intentionally misrepresented even if I don't like or agree with that person.
For example, I don't like Obama at all. I think he's slime. But, when someone goes around spreading lies about him, I'll try to set things straight.
You can't have meaningful or constructive conversation when that conversation is based on lies and half truths.
Also, sending data to clients in advance is not insecure if it is done correctly. There are cryptographic protocols designed to do this specific task. Bruce Schneider's Applied Cryptography book has several.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: roho816 cloaking-under-gate-cloak ability would make covert ops capable ships nigh-invulnerable (and thus render moving expensive things nearly 100% safe) and how inherently insecure it is to send system data to clients "in advance" I can't explain it to you simply enough.
I don't like a lot of his ideas either, that one included. My point is that he is being misrepresented. That is what I don't like. I'm one of those people who gets very annoyed when people are intentionally misrepresented even if I don't like or agree with that person.
Also, sending data to clients in advance is not insecure if it is done correctly. There are cryptographic protocols designed to do this specific task. Bruce Schneider's Applied Cryptography book has several.
But then you run into client processing requirements depending on the strength of the encryption and its method. Not saying a reasonable level of security can't be attained, but ultimately I think client processing is not the source of lag: it's server processing and the limitations of the single-core system architecture.
Everyone is entitled to bad ideas. But is it really a misreperesentation to say "this guy doesn't appear to sift through ideas very well and is running for a job that asks him to do exactly that"?
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Andrea Griffin
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Originally by: roho816 Everyone is entitled to bad ideas. But is it really a misreperesentation to say "this guy doesn't appear to sift through ideas very well and is running for a job that asks him to do exactly that"?
It is if the ideas being used as examples aren't really his ideas.
Quote: Don't vote for Mittani. I hear he wants to remove all of null sec and replace it with a new high sec area dedicated to hugging unicorns!
Terrible idea - but I'm pretty sure that The Mittani doesn't want to do that. It doesn't matter how terrible that idea is - it can't be used to judge Mittani's fitness to be on the CSM because it's not true.
Crucify people but do so honestly.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 10/03/2011 21:39:57
Originally by: roho816 But then you run into client processing requirements depending on the strength of the encryption and its method. Not saying a reasonable level of security can't be attained, but ultimately I think client processing is not the source of lag: it's server processing and the limitations of the single-core system architecture.
There is plenty of cheap encryption that could be used for this purpose. Server processing is responsible for some lag, network latency and throughput are responsible for other lag, client processing is responsible for some too. Sending a batch of encrypted data as ships start jumping or start warping will help reduce grid loading lag. Just send the decryption key at the end of the dump, and make sure the cipher is strong enough to resist brute force for a few minutes.
Quote: Everyone is entitled to bad ideas. But is it really a misreperesentation to say "this guy doesn't appear to sift through ideas very well and is running for a job that asks him to do exactly that"?
I contend that the job of the CSM isn't to sift through ideas, it is to represent the player base. There should not be a requirement to be a game design expert to be on CSM, just an ability to read, summarize, present, argue, debate, listen and think critically. Oh, and the ability to stick to the facts when presenting the combined opinion of the player base rather than staying on-message to your coalition's political bias.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 10/03/2011 11:52:32
Originally by: Cassus Temon My personal 'gut' feeling; is that Trebor is dirty.
That's called projection.
And +1 to Jade Constantine's "YOU ARE NOT A GOON" summary of this whole stupid thread :)
Nice analysis there; but you are wrong on that count. Hunches, and gut feelings do not qualify as projection. They don't ascribe feelings, or redirect personal failures on another. They simply make one feel, that a person is not to be trusted; and is guilty of something, which is currently unidentified.
I said it was a gut feeling; because I have no evidence of wrongdoing. I simply feel; that it exists.
This is a result of my reading Trebor's post, and responses; and subconciously recognizing something, which triggers a defensive mechanism. What it is, cannot be identified; as it results from a familairity with past experience. I cannot say 'who' it was that caused these feeling's; or created the situation, that caused me to subconciously recognize similiar traits and examples of character. I just know that something's fishy; and, that I don't like the individual in question, as a result. This doesn't mean I'm right; thus, it's a hunch.
I hope you're not a pshycologist. If you are, you should learn to spend more time; analyzing an individual's responses, before making decisions as to there character. By your call, I'm ascribing personal feelings, decisions, and character; to an individual I have never met, and thus dislike. Yet, I don't dislike myself, and I am a 'good' person; who chooses to treat others with respect, when they deserve it. Such a person, should then be someone I respect; perhap's even take a liking too, and support. You're assuming, that I don't know myself, and have a denial trait; which prevents me from self-examination. A lack of objectivity; and inability to accept blame.
You would, in general, be wrong in any case; as moments where I ascribe to that character, are fleeting. Everyone has moments of denial; where they project blame. It is an immediate response, as a result of recognition of wrongdoing; and generally, lasts no longer than the situation it resulted from. ..or 3 days.
I have no place, or stake in this race, anyway; aside from voting for candidates. I am simply putting forth an opinion; which I believe is relevent to the case. I think, in time; you will find, I am right.
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roho816
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 10/03/2011 21:39:57 There should not be a requirement to be a game design expert to be on CSM, just an ability to read, summarize, present, argue, debate, listen and think critically.
If it was just a question of presenting the eve communities' pet requests, CSM6 will have to strongly corner CCP about the lack of genitalia customization options in the character creator, as well as the need to order pizza in game. Clearly, sifting is part of the job.
The CSM is not a request aggregator. It's intended to be a useful interface between CCP and the playerbase. One of the functions is a sounding board for CCP's ideas, one is a means for players to request priority fixes. In both these capacities, a CSM rep needs to be able to consider the "fix" or enhancement and try to figure out if it will break things more than it will help them. If aren't able to apply a basic sniff test to ideas before giving a thumbs up, you're going to be a drag on the rest of the council when they have to shoot down the change that you should have never brought up or nodded at approvingly.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Originally by: Cassus Temon ... I think, in time; you will find, I am right.
Actually, no, I think we won't.
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HeroInAHalfShell
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cassus Temon ... I think, in time; you will find, I am right.
Actually, no, I think we won't.
You can't tell him what he thinks! This is an outrage!
(Basically you responded to him saying what he thinks by saying "Actually, no," which is a stupid thing to do because that isn't how things work)
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cassus Temon ... I think, in time; you will find, I am right.
Actually, no, I think we won't.
You can't tell him what he thinks! This is an outrage!
(Basically you responded to him saying what he thinks by saying "Actually, no," which is a stupid thing to do because that isn't how things work)
Quoted for even more hilarity!
This is excellent stuff. Better than Charlie Sheen at a press interview.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Johnathan Walker Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 10/03/2011 11:40:39
Originally by: Courthouse
The part in quotations was not editorialized in any way. I bolded a different series of sentences for focus, but did not change any text, words or grammar.
This IS A **LIE**.
Given the character limits of the forums, I'll summarize:
Original Post: Quote: he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day.
Quote: Goonrushing his campaign thread will be too transparent, so don't do that. It's important that this is done from anonymous alts and phrased in ways that lead him to say dumb things himself rather than put him on the defensive. Seriously, **** that guy.
Both are missing from your quote. To say no edits were done is false. Now that I've proven the issue, what claims do you make to back-pedal out of this one?
Yeah, I'm still not seeing what you're getting at as both of those lines are in the quoted part of my post.
If there was a character mish-mash between the copy-paste from goonfleet.com to eveo, I was unaware of it and any undesired changes to the formatting were unintentional.
It's sort of hard to **** up a copy-paste mechanic, especially since I did it twice, but if you're hung up on that then I doubt there's much I could do to satify your need to troll this thread.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 10/03/2011 17:11:59
Originally by: Courthouse He argued for a 'pinball' style Doomsday weapon change
Seems to me that he was talking about a weapon that would chain damage, from ship to ship, gradually decreasing. His exact words "Think of it as a giant pinball of pain bouncing through the grid." He wasn't actually advocating turning Eve into a pinball game.
"'pinball' style doomsday weapon". Where did I even suggest that he was looking to turn EVE into a piball game?
Quote:
Originally by: Courthouse He wants to remove the ability to converse in local with a spam-timeout system (no more fofofofo chains, z0r, gfgfgf or ascii macro spam)
Yeah, because that's what Eve needs more of: ascii macro spam. Granted, I don't like the idea, but your biggest complaint is that you can't spam ascii? Seriously?
If that was my biggest complaint then I would have focused on it. It was included in a list of bad ideas he had brought up.
Quote:
Originally by: Courthouse Front loading the client with packets that are 'decrypted' at a later time that supposedly would be 'unreadable'
If there's a need to front load the client with important information, but not allow the client to read it until a certain time, then this is a way to do it. As long as the key is long enough it's perfectly secure. What's your problem with this?
Dedicated individuals could crack the encryption, client-side, leading to significant advantages. You think Monkeysphere's invisible-in-local stunt was bad? This would be much much worse.
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Originally by: Courthouse Fix blobs my making it so that you can't see anyone but the ships right next to you because of 'warp core interference'
I found this to be an interesting idea. In a way it breaks up a large gang into smaller areas of fighting. This brings a host of problems - being able to see what is on the field, where the snipers are, logistics having trouble projecting - and it doesn't fix big blob vs. small gang. But, at least the guy is being creative and thinking outside of the box. Even a bad idea has the potential to become a good idea over time.
hang on, let me titan-cannon a hundred alts in newbie frigates on your fleet and **** you, we'll continue this discussion when you load in station.
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Originally by: Courthouse Allow 'shrink wrap' for more than just courier contracts
Yup, an idea proposed for, essentially, dynamically sized containers. That's so terrible. What is the world coming to?
I'll just wrap up a couple hundred construction blocks and issue a contract called Caldari Navy Raven for 700m ISK. Trust me, it's a Navy Raven in there.
Due to the limitations of post length I'll have to address the rest of your post in a follow up. It'll be posted shortly.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:22:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Courthouse on 11/03/2011 04:25:15
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: Courthouse He wanted to remove the MWD/Cloak trick
Try reading it again. He wanted to allow certain ships to activate a cloak while still under gate cloak. There's nothing in there about preventing someone from using the MWD/Cloak trick.
Someone else posted a decent retort to this point, but for the record I'll just put out there that there are very few ways to survive a gate camp and without an in-game means of determining what's on the other side of a gate before you jump through. Making any changes to further limit survivability options would be bad for the average eve player.
Furthermore, making recons and covops into invincible perma-cloakers instead of having the ridiculously short vulerability period they have now is also a bad idea. EVE thrives on risk-versus-reward. Implement this and you'd hardly ever see a person outside of a gang/fleet in anything other than a covops/recon, not to mention making it perfectly safe to transport high value items like BPOs without risk.
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Originally by: Courthouse He's argued for and against changes to Local channel visibility.
Yeah, because after a year and a half between posts, he might not have had enough experience to change his mind?
I mentioned in a previous post that I would have loved if he would address these points and even gave away a very powerful escape mechanism by mentioning that a reply to the tune of 'I used to think that but my experiences in x, y, z have changed my mind.'
He hasn't bothered to reply to those, so for now I won't substitute an excuse for bad ideas.
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Originally by: Courthouse He wants the titan's Jump Portal to suck up everything around the titan, including the titan, itself, and jump it all to a cyno for a sneaky ambush trap ship
Yup, a tongue-in-cheek, goofing off thread for "funny" fixes to titan jump bridges...
It's almost comedic how many 'funny' fix ideas turn into real implementation. Perhaps an astute reader may catch on to this and say "okay, so tongue-in-cheek reply on this one, but that's still ONE. BAD. IDEA. which really only serves to further my original thesis that Trebor is bad at EVE and would be a bad choice when it came down to CCP saying 'hey, we want to do THIS next, what do you guys think?'
Quote: TL;DR: Goons once again display their lack of character by lying and twisting the truth. Or, their inability to read. Probably both.
Neither really, as I've maintained decorum throughout this thread and have taken the time to address several people's posts with reasonable, constructive replies. Catch-all commentary works well in CAOD, but it really undermines your credibility when you're trying to make a high road argument.
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Nerodon
Gallente Ravenwood Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nerodon on 11/03/2011 05:23:32 Alright alright. While I can agree with the OP on a few points, I hardly think that bringing up a few examples of bad ideas in which are simply original suggestions that, indeed may sound stupid, but in my book "and probably Trebors as well" just shooting ideas on the table, no matter how terrible they may sound can serve as starting points for other ideas, we all do that when brainstorming.
And yea yea... Trebor might not know Eve as much as you or I, but we have to think on what exactly makes the difference between a good and a bad CSM. Your arguments against Trebor are only one-dimensional as they attack his one major weakness, which in this case is probably game knowledge. But his many other qualities far outshine that. Of course they're are plenty of CSM that are probably more suited, but I disagree that this lack of knowledge is as detrimental to his abilities as CSM as you believe it to be.
The facts are indeed laid out, and now, the interpretation of these facts is what it's all about.
Another fact is that I can see a lot of agressivity towards Trebor in the sense that you are trying to undermine his campaign by exposing his less pretty qualities. Fair game, but still, all it is, is negative projection, just like negative advertising. Cold hard fact or not, people's opinions about who makes a good CSM is entirely subjective!
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.03.11 05:54:00 -
[76]
Once again Goons need to train up reading comprehension (if possible, which apparently it is not). I didn't like a lot of the ideas that were brought up; a lot of them have major issues. However, that wasn't the point of my post: My point is that you are intentionally misrepresenting him.
Typical Goon behavior, but I figured that the casual reader, or one unfamiliar with the lameness of the Goons in general, should be made aware of your stunts.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:00:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Nerodon Edited by: Nerodon on 11/03/2011 05:23:32 Alright alright. While I can agree with the OP on a few points, I hardly think that bringing up a few examples of bad ideas in which are simply original suggestions that, indeed may sound stupid, but in my book "and probably Trebors as well" just shooting ideas on the table, no matter how terrible they may sound can serve as starting points for other ideas, we all do that when brainstorming.
Shotgunning ideas is what you do when you're developing from the ground up. Once your platform/program/presentation is framed up you stop throwing out random ideas and start working within constructs and limiters. People who continue to shotgun ideas after this stage are detrimental to the process and ultimately will cause delays due to investigations into plausibility of implausible or improbable functions or drama due to their ideas being summarily dismissed.
This is business development 101 stuff, if you're interested I highly recommend checking out TED.com and watching some of their presentations on dynamic development process.
Quote: And yea yea... Trebor might not know Eve as much as you or I, but we have to think on what exactly makes the difference between a good and a bad CSM. Your arguments against Trebor are only one-dimensional as they attack his one major weakness, which in this case is probably game knowledge. But his many other qualities far outshine that. Of course they're are plenty of CSM that are probably more suited, but I disagree that this lack of knowledge is as detrimental to his abilities as CSM as you believe it to be.
This is where you and I are going to diverge on our opinions.
I would hope for, and expect my CSM reps to have outstanding knowledge of at least one major thematic 'area' of EVE. Whether that is mission-running, lowsec piracy, industry and marketing, 0.0 bloc politics, etc. I do not expect a CSM rep to be an expert in all of these examples, or any other examples one may want to bring up. Being highly knowledgeable in one area and perhaps familiar in one or two others would be fantastic, as that person would potentially have a very keen mind to any changes or additions that CCP may offer along the lines of or affected by whichever their area of expertise lies.
Someone who is verbose, charismatic and lacks understanding of many basic areas of EVE would use the CSM as an 'It's all about ME' show (vis-a-vie Jade Constantine's run in CSM 1).
As a CSM and a playerbase we've grown past that stage to the point where CCP is beginning to utilize the CSM as a development partner, not just a focus group that they wind up ignoring afterwards. I want ALL of the CSM reps, not just my favored few, to reflect this.
Quote: The facts are indeed laid out, and now, the interpretation of these facts is what it's all about.
Another fact is that I can see a lot of agressivity towards Trebor in the sense that you are trying to undermine his campaign by exposing his less pretty qualities. Fair game, but still, all it is, is negative projection, just like negative advertising. Cold hard fact or not, people's opinions about who makes a good CSM is entirely subjective!
I never presented my opinion as objective. I presented the sources/facts that laid the foundations of my opinion in an objective manner, but I was clear when I made my case that it was my subjective opinion behind the post.
Yes, this is a negative piece on Trebor. He's had some very zealous sycophants giving his nether orifice a good tonguing for the last few weeks and it was clear that he was to be a crowd favorite. I chose to look into him to see what the hype was all about and was appalled at what I saw. The shock of it all led me to want to share my findings as I felt that others would feel equally duped by him and would help me to see better candidates to the CSM this time around.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Once again Goons need to train up reading comprehension (if possible, which apparently it is not). I didn't like a lot of the ideas that were brought up; a lot of them have major issues. However, that wasn't the point of my post: My point is that you are intentionally misrepresenting him.
You've made a point that I was misrepresenting him and have yet to back that accusation with anything resembling an argument, let alone a convincing one. It's hard to picture that taking someone's words within the context that they presented them, collating multiple instances of these, and presenting them as a theme is somehow misrepresentative.
Quote: Typical Goon behavior, but I figured that the casual reader, or one unfamiliar with the lameness of the Goons in general, should be made aware of your stunts.
Typical goon behavior would involve more **** jokes and 4chan memes. It's bad enough that you're making a horrible argument, but when you can't even identify what a 'typical goon' action is and see that what I'm doing here is extremely atypical I would question the basis of your understanding of politics and the electoral process and suggest that you may be too young or immature to contribute meaningfully.
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: ******AHalfShell
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cassus Temon ... I think, in time; you will find, I am right.
Actually, no, I think we won't.
You can't tell him what he thinks! This is an outrage!
(Basically you responded to him saying what he thinks by saying "Actually, no," which is a stupid thing to do because that isn't how things work)
Quoted for even more hilarity!
This is excellent stuff. Better than Charlie Sheen at a press interview.
you saw that, huh?
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:36:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Courthouse
Originally by: Andrea Griffin Once again Goons need to train up reading comprehension (if possible, which apparently it is not). I didn't like a lot of the ideas that were brought up; a lot of them have major issues. However, that wasn't the point of my post: My point is that you are intentionally misrepresenting him.
You've made a point that I was misrepresenting him and have yet to back that accusation with anything resembling an argument, let alone a convincing one. It's hard to picture that taking someone's words within the context that they presented them, collating multiple instances of these, and presenting them as a theme is somehow misrepresentative.
Quote: Typical Goon behavior, but I figured that the casual reader, or one unfamiliar with the lameness of the Goons in general, should be made aware of your stunts.
Typical goon behavior would involve more **** jokes and 4chan memes. It's bad enough that you're making a horrible argument, but when you can't even identify what a 'typical goon' action is and see that what I'm doing here is extremely atypical I would question the basis of your understanding of politics and the electoral process and suggest that you may be too young or immature to contribute meaningfully.
The whole point, is that they are generalizing the Goon mentality; and using that to discredit any argument you might put forward, as having evolved from the Goon Hive mind. They refuse to allow for the fact; that you are all indivduals, with different perspectives. That's typical, for trolling forum posts with propaganda; intended soley, to discredit the original author of the post, and any who agree with him/her.
For all we know; the are all Trebor's alt's. ..but that too; would be generalizing. Trebor might not be a bad guy. For all we know, he just lacks the ability to communicate himself; and reach his intended audience, with a post that truly represents his point of view, and character. There is a software Engineer, here in Canada; that has developed a 'letter' editing tool, intended to eliminate an author's miscommunication of his intent. Effectively, it pulls apart a post, letter, or other document; and analyzes it for communication of the idea's therein. Once this is done, and the process has 'found' a typical audiences interpretation; it will communicate this to the author, and allow him to edit his writing, for better communication of idea's. Thus, when he has finished his document; the intended audience should receive it, with little difficulty in understanding the intent behind it. Useful tool.. wish I had one.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cassus Temon There is a software Engineer, here in Canada; that has developed a 'letter' editing tool, intended to eliminate an author's miscommunication of his intent. Effectively, it pulls apart a post, letter, or other document; and analyzes it for communication of the idea's therein. Once this is done, and the process has 'found' a typical audiences interpretation; it will communicate this to the author, and allow him to edit his writing, for better communication of idea's. Thus, when he has finished his document; the intended audience should receive it, with little difficulty in understanding the intent behind it. Useful tool.. wish I had one.
If you can recall the engineer's name or company or the name of the software post it. That sounds intriguing.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 07:17:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Courthouse
Yeah, I'm still not seeing what you're getting at as both of those lines are in the quoted part of my post.
Are you blind? Your quote is 1,700 characters, with spaces. The actual quotation is 1,920 characters with spaces. This isn't about trolling, it's about outright LYING and blatant misrepresentation, coupled with additional coping mechanisms to deny factual truth when caught.
You've been busted. Stop trying to hide it. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 07:23:00 -
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after seeing a lot of johnathan walker posts this csm election, i mostly just want to know if he's a furry, a roleplayer, or a 'bear'. or some combination of all three
this is a pretty pressing issue, please address it
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:14:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: Courthouse
Yeah, I'm still not seeing what you're getting at as both of those lines are in the quoted part of my post.
Are you blind? Your quote is 1,700 characters, with spaces. The actual quotation is 1,920 characters with spaces. This isn't about trolling, it's about outright LYING and blatant misrepresentation, coupled with additional coping mechanisms to deny factual truth when caught.
You've been busted. Stop trying to hide it.
Tell you what, how about you link me your source? I know exactly where I pulled mine from, and it's unaltered. Link yours and we'll compare notes.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:29:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Courthouse
Tell you what, how about you link me your source? I know exactly where I pulled mine from, and it's unaltered. Link yours and we'll compare notes.
Sure, no problem. Your post Mittani's Post Apparently your post, in this same thread, but with additional content
Satisfied?
Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:30:00 -
[86]
After all the drama that the Goons and their bunnies have gone through to smear Trebor, he could support replacing eve with ponies online and I'd still vote for him.
Fact is that the drama has almost certainly helped his campaign more that hurt it.
What remains to be seen is what happens during CSM6. It'll be interesting to see if Alex and his boys can behave constructively or if they'll resort to the same sort of drama there that led earlier CSMs to irrelevance. vOv
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:31:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Johnathan Walker on 11/03/2011 08:32:47
Originally by: The Mittani after seeing a lot of johnathan walker posts this csm election, i mostly just want to know if he's a furry, a roleplayer, or a 'bear'. or some combination of all three
this is a pretty pressing issue, please address it
Roleplayer = No "Bear" = Absolutely not Furry = This one amuses me. But no.
-edit-
Someone who's not intimidated by fame/popular support and calls "BS" on brainwashing: Hell yes. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:44:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Courthouse on 11/03/2011 08:45:26
Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: Courthouse
Tell you what, how about you link me your source? I know exactly where I pulled mine from, and it's unaltered. Link yours and we'll compare notes.
Sure, no problem. Your post Mittani's Post Apparently your post, in this same thread, but with additional content
Satisfied?
Honestly, no. I did an overlay and all 3 posts have the exact same content with a very simple exception. After the 2nd paragraph there is a :cripes: in Mittani's post that didn't appear in either of the ones you linked of mine.
I have previously explained that :cripes: is an emoticon that we use on our forums and it doesn't translate here. I did include it in an additional copy/paste along with underlining two words to match the exact appearance of the post from goonfleet.com
Actually, I'm done trying to explain to you how copy/paste works. You're clearly getting angry because your trolling isn't working.
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Nerodon
Gallente Ravenwood Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:59:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Courthouse
Shotgunning ideas is what you do when you're developing from the ground up. Once your platform/program/presentation is framed up you stop throwing out random ideas and start working within constructs and limiters. People who continue to shotgun ideas after this stage are detrimental to the process and ultimately will cause delays due to investigations into plausibility of implausible or improbable functions or drama due to their ideas being summarily dismissed.
This is business development 101 stuff, if you're interested I highly recommend checking out TED.com and watching some of their presentations on dynamic development process.
Wouldn't that imply that since Eve is already created then we should try to stay as close to the original product as possible? Of course improvement upon the already established system is what we want, but nothing says fresh ideas can't also be something to think about.
Drama due to their ideas being summarily dismissed really seems childish in a professional environment. I don't see a reason to get attached to ideas that were simply "shotguned" out there. Also the CSM does not have much say in suggesting full fledged solutions, CCP devs do that. I'm not that worried that it will cause much of a problem.
Quote: This is where you and I are going to diverge on our opinions.
I would hope for, and expect my CSM reps to have outstanding knowledge of at least one major thematic 'area' of EVE. Whether that is mission-running, lowsec piracy, industry and marketing, 0.0 bloc politics, etc. I do not expect a CSM rep to be an expert in all of these examples, or any other examples one may want to bring up. Being highly knowledgeable in one area and perhaps familiar in one or two others would be fantastic, as that person would potentially have a very keen mind to any changes or additions that CCP may offer along the lines of or affected by whichever their area of expertise lies.
Someone who is verbose, charismatic and lacks understanding of many basic areas of EVE would use the CSM as an 'It's all about ME' show (vis-a-vie Jade Constantine's run in CSM 1).
As a CSM and a playerbase we've grown past that stage to the point where CCP is beginning to utilize the CSM as a development partner, not just a focus group that they wind up ignoring afterwards. I want ALL of the CSM reps, not just my favored few, to reflect this.
I don't think it would be productive to argue about that since I do believe this is really a matter of opinion. the "All about me" factor, in my opinion, depends greatly on the CSM's personality. It's not easy to measure when you base yourself on what they say, especially when the speeches are part of a politic-esque campaign.
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I never presented my opinion as objective. [...]
Yes, this is a negative piece on Trebor. He's had some very zealous sycophants giving his nether orifice a good tonguing for the last few weeks and it was clear that he was to be a crowd favorite. I chose to look into him to see what the hype was all about and was appalled at what I saw. The shock of it all led me to want to share my findings as I felt that others would feel equally duped by him and would help me to see better candidates to the CSM this time around.
I laughed at this one, because it is indeed true. I do think that Trebor does indeed get way more credit than he deserves, but then again, this does reflect human nature. People follow the masses and can be converted by the slightest indication of "good leadership". And after they chose they're allignement, changing one's mind is almost shameful. Too much pride to give up on what you believed, so much that you'd hide your disappointment by blaming the goons of foul-play.
I don't believe Trebor is a bad CSM candidate, but he's not the best either. His other qualities in terms of organisation and communication is what I think is good about him, but there's plenty reasons to expect more
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:15:00 -
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Honestly, no. I did an overlay and all 3 posts have the exact same content with a very simple exception. After the 2nd paragraph there is a :cripes: in Mittani's post that didn't appear in either of the ones you linked of mine.
Actually, I'm done trying to explain to you how copy/paste works. You're clearly getting angry because your trolling isn't working.
You must be a complete idiot.
Fifteen seconds of clicking:
Your post: He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s
Mittani's post: He has zero clue about how this game works but doesn't let his lack of knowledge get in the way of offering an opinion, he's also even more of an unfunny ***got in real life than he is on the internet - a feat that I didn't think was possible until I ended up trapped in a room with him for 8 hours a day. He wrote some PASCAL games back in the 80s
Let's play spot the difference(s). If you can tell me that there is no difference between these two snips Courthouse, the entire community should realize how ridiculous your wild claims are as a whole when your comprehension is seriously in need of some work. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 18:57:00 -
[91]
I'm browsing/posting from an iPhone. Maybe it's the platform and limited screen size, but your links are all the samefrom here. If theres a difference somewhere from a later copy/paste then it's likely an edit done to the original post after I posted here.
I've put far more time than what would be reasonable into your phantom tinfoil ravings that honestly have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I've been reasonable and evenhanded this entire thread. Your lunatic ravings about goon conspiracies is not only unfounded but likely having the opposite effect as the people looking to these threads for guidance in placing their votes are seeing a lot of angry posters making wild intangible claims.
You're best bet will likely be to set the keyboard down and go for a run or something. You look like you could use some endorphins right about now.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:57:00 -
[92]
I wonder if we can get this thread to 15 pages?
--Sent from my iPhone
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:18:00 -
[93]
For me peak comedic value would be if this thread got longer than Trebor's CSM thread.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:56:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Courthouse I'm browsing/posting from an iPhone. Maybe it's the platform and limited screen size, but your links are all the samefrom here. If theres a difference somewhere from a later copy/paste then it's likely an edit done to the original post after I posted here.
How stupid do you think we are?
Your original post does not match the source at the time. Stop blaming others; be a man (or woman?) and take responsibility!!!
Pathetic display of manipulation. Community 1, Goons 0. Try again. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Kais Fiddler
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Posted - 2011.03.11 23:12:00 -
[95]
Johnnie Walker go drink some whiskey and calm down a bit. You're trying to stir up a conspiracy theory but I just don't see it.
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 23:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Johnathan Walker Community 1, Goons 0. Try again.
Someone who's better at database parses should query how often this tired write-off has been used on these forums because I'm pretty sure the score would be much higher on the 'community' side.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 23:35:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Kais Fiddler Johnnie Walker go drink some whiskey and calm down a bit. You're trying to stir up a conspiracy theory but I just don't see it.
Conspiracy? Not at all. This is just simple facts. Now if I wanted to talk about stealth edits to the forums in a way that doesn't show "edited by", now that would be a conspiracy. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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SC13NC3
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Posted - 2011.03.14 12:38:00 -
[98]
In this thread:
Johnsen ****er sperge.
And thats about it.
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DogFACE1
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:22:00 -
[99]
4 votes for Trebor!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.22 06:09:00 -
[100]
Pathetic Goon mindwar failed. Voted for Trebor. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Cap II
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:48:00 -
[101]
Man there is a **** ton of spergin going on in this thread all about a guy whose avatar looks like it has an extra chromosome.
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