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Chuck Sands
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Ah, so cheating is okay so long as you only cheat a little bit?
Got it.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:01:00 -
[722]
Im still of the opinion that all cheaters should be kicked permanently. If you can't abide by the rules, you don't get to play. No excuses, no mercy, just a permanent ban.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:22:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Burnharder If that happens it'll just be you and I left on the server Dex. 1v1?
nah... with all the bots gone i'll starting mining and take over the RMT, wanna buy some isk?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:25:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Im still of the opinion that all cheaters should be kicked permanently. If you can't abide by the rules, you don't get to play. No excuses, no mercy, just a permanent ban.
I am getting a bit disappointed here. Cheating is a part of our intelligence. EVE players are among the most intelligent. Feeling grief over cheaters (where did they touch you, huh?) is not what an EVE player does. Perhaps you are just not an EVE player. --
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Chuck Sands
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:30:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Im still of the opinion that all cheaters should be kicked permanently. If you can't abide by the rules, you don't get to play. No excuses, no mercy, just a permanent ban.
I am getting a bit disappointed here. Cheating is a part of our intelligence. EVE players are among the most intelligent. Feeling grief over cheaters (where did they touch you, huh?) is not what an EVE player does. Perhaps you are just not an EVE player.
How many more ways can you try to justify cheaters? You are really starting to sound desperate and pathetic!
"Real EVE players are not concerned about being cheated!"
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:35:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Im still of the opinion that all cheaters should be kicked permanently. If you can't abide by the rules, you don't get to play. No excuses, no mercy, just a permanent ban.
I am getting a bit disappointed here. Cheating is a part of our intelligence. EVE players are among the most intelligent. Feeling grief over cheaters (where did they touch you, huh?) is not what an EVE player does. Perhaps you are just not an EVE player.
Cheating as part of the game mechanics is not what I am talking about as well you know, I was referring to cheating as in breaking the rules laid down by CCP in the EULA. Your attempts at trolling get more and more pathetic with every word you type, however it does make me laugh.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:38:00 -
[727]
Edited by: M''ktakh on 11/03/2011 22:38:39
Originally by: Whitehound I am getting a bit disappointed here. Cheating is a part of our intelligence. EVE players are among the most intelligent. Feeling grief over cheaters (where did they touch you, huh?) is not what an EVE player does. Perhaps you are just not an EVE player.
Cheating, scamming, pirating, being an asshat in game or in forums: OK
Cheating by buying ISK from an RMT site: NOT OKAY.
See, its easy.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.11 23:22:00 -
[728]
Originally by: Whitehound
I am getting a bit disappointed here. Cheating is a part of our intelligence. EVE players are among the most intelligent. Feeling grief over cheaters (where did they touch you, huh?) is not what an EVE player does. Perhaps you are just not an EVE player.
I'm sorry, I am losing you a bit here.
Are you confessing to cheating or admitting that you are dumb?
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Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.03.11 23:34:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Whitehound EVE players are among the most intelligent.
I call BS after reading the responses to this post and the other megapost on botting. Many EVE players are cup drooling ******s just like in those other mmorpgs.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 00:04:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Perramas
Originally by: Whitehound EVE players are among the most intelligent.
I call BS after reading the responses to this post and the other megapost on botting. Many EVE players are cup drooling ******s just like in those other mmorpgs.
The statement did not make a lot of sense, did it? --
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Janis Ezra
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Posted - 2011.03.12 00:47:00 -
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they earned ~400.000$ in one year, with just 2 RMT sites, with just some fcking spaceships. I have the wrong job.....
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.12 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Janis Ezra they earned ~400.000$ in one year, with just 2 RMT sites, with just some fcking spaceships. I have the wrong job.....
400 dollars per year isn't that great, tbh.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.12 05:20:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Janis Ezra they earned ~400.000$ in one year, with just 2 RMT sites, with just some fcking spaceships. I have the wrong job.....
400 dollars per year isn't that great, tbh.
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* In Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovenia and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89. In handwriting, 1˙234˙567,89 is also seen, but never in Denmark, the Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden or Slovenia. In Italy, when handwriting, a straight apostrophe is also used: 1'234'567,89.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
... and I wonder how this was related to the topic in 1st place.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.12 05:24:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Thats a good point but you don't get very much more isk from the rmters than you do from converting a gtc unless you buy in bulk. So about the only way to really make that difference stand out is to drop some major money on it to get the mass purchase effect. For the vast majority of buyers on that list they bought less than $100 in isk so that would hardly convey any tangable benefit over plex isk.
Ah, so cheating is okay so long as you only cheat a little bit?
Got it.
No, I said that the difference between the average plex isk purchase and the average rmt isk purchase is about the same so anyone trying to say that zomg you get an unfair advantage by purchasing rmt isk is just splitting hairs. But go ahead and spin it any way you wish as its all pretty much irrelevant because ccp has the final say on any potential punishment. Now to be fair if you dropped some major rl monies on rmt isk you can easily get double or more than you get from plex but again that is only relevant to a tiny portion of the ones on that list.
Let the witchhunt continue though as it seems to be the gd totm.(topic of the moment)
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Alty McExpendable
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.03.12 06:46:00 -
[735]
You really don't get it, do you.
P.S. keep posting the B.S.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.12 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alty McExpendable You really don't get it, do you.
P.S. keep posting the B.S.
wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread?
Here let me state it in clear terms with no amusing but irrelevant youtube antics thrown in.
The ship that you bought with rmt isk that you used to blow up some other players ship is no different than the ship you bought with plex isk that you used to blow up some other players ship. Both ships were purchased with rl monies. Both ships have exactly the same stats. Both ships could care less if you bought them with rmt isk or plex isk or mission grinding isk or trade isk or any form of isk.
Period.
You can split hairs all day long but its simply not true.
Now yet again is it right that people buy rmt isk? Of course not for many many many valid reasons. But cheating is not one of them.
I gleefully await the next suicide post.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Alty McExpendable
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.03.12 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread?
It has to do with you attempting to redefine reality as something it isn't. Well, guess what: reality ain't gonna change. And the reality is, cheating is cheating. A violation of the EULA in order to gain an advantage is cheating (in this case, paying money to real-money-traders for ISK instead of paying money to CCP for PLEX, which, since you don't understand when people don't explicitly say so and even then usually don't, is NOT the same as ISK. It can be sold on the market for ISK, but it is in itself not ISK). It is quite literally defined that way.
Please point out the part(s) you fail to understand.
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Torlin Valric
Minmatar Minmatar Mining Division
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Posted - 2011.03.12 08:02:00 -
[738]
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Alty McExpendable You really don't get it, do you.
P.S. keep posting the B.S.
wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread?
Here let me state it in clear terms with no amusing but irrelevant youtube antics thrown in.
The ship that you bought with rmt isk that you used to blow up some other players ship is no different than the ship you bought with plex isk that you used to blow up some other players ship. Both ships were purchased with rl monies. Both ships have exactly the same stats. Both ships could care less if you bought them with rmt isk or plex isk or mission grinding isk or trade isk or any form of isk.
Period.
You can split hairs all day long but its simply not true.
Now yet again is it right that people buy rmt isk? Of course not for many many many valid reasons. But cheating is not one of them.
I gleefully await the next suicide post.
Someone said that you get twice as much isk when buying from an isk site (i guess you prefer to ignore that) so you can buy 2 ships for the same money as someone who buys gtc.
It is cheating, you don't seem to get that. Don't worry tho, nobody is perfect.
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Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.03.12 08:20:00 -
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I've been following this with some interest.
And whilst I detest all forms of RMT and the farming methods involved. The conspiracy theorist in me can't help but think that this, no matter how compelling the evidence. Is nothing more, given the convenient timing of It's release! a concerted effort to derail CCP in the run up to Fanfest. What better way to bring botting and Farming to the forefront of any Fanfest discussion, yes?
Now I'm not saying it isn't a problem, (hell I bought 100 mill on my first account for a mission Raven many years back because I was none the wiser)
Also you have to ask yourself. Why, after all these years have CCP not introduced some sort of warning\mailing system for new accounts in big red letters stating that ISK, ship, module, assets of any kind... etc. etc. Are illegal to purchase anywhere. (accept their PLEX) But ultimately I think this is a problem CCP tolerate to a certain extent, just like they tolerate the RMT\bots. As any decisive action against both would have a significant and detrimental effect on CCP's business plan and future incomes.
So! I think CCP need not continue their (supposed) efforts to combat RMT and Bot action. But rather consider ways to incorporate noob and user friendly alternatives into the game and their long term business plans, as a means of survival.
They are never going to abolish it completely. From a survival point of view, I think CCP should consider more legitimate methods of acquiring ingame currency and assets for the needy pilot.
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.12 08:41:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Janis Ezra they earned ~400.000$ in one year, with just 2 RMT sites, with just some fcking spaceships. I have the wrong job.....
400 dollars per year isn't that great, tbh.
* In Albania, Serbia[citation needed], Bosnia, Estonia, France, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and much of Latin Europe as well as French Canada: 1 234 567,89 (In Spain, in handwriting it is also common to use an upper comma: 1.234.567'89)[citation needed]
* In Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovenia and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89. In handwriting, 1˙234˙567,89 is also seen, but never in Denmark, the Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden or Slovenia. In Italy, when handwriting, a straight apostrophe is also used: 1'234'567,89. Uness source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
... and I wonder how this was related to the topic in 1st place.
Presumably this was posted to contadict my post. However, we're not in Albaniia, Serbia, or Bosnia, etc. Someone used the "dollar" symbol. So how about using the symbols common to the place that uses the "dollar" symbol primarily? Unless Serbia has suddenly adopted the American currency as its norm. Which it might have, cos who the **** is looking for a Dinar these days.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.12 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez Presumably this was posted to contadict my post. However, we're not in Albaniia, Serbia, or Bosnia, etc. Someone used the "dollar" symbol. So how about using the symbols common to the place that uses the "dollar" symbol primarily? Unless Serbia has suddenly adopted the American currency as its norm. Which it might have, cos who the **** is looking for a Dinar these days.
Lets not change common localizations, just because you have a hard time understanding them.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 09:06:00 -
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we need to kindly ask CCP to turn EVE into MACRO bears online. All players are given tools to do missions and kill NPCs with built in AI...
Bah no more macro, no more RMT, everyone can fit a Raven and hit AI button for automated ISK making.
but will be EvE challenging you say, yes it will, the prices will go up to 1 mill/piece of trit, but hard earned ISK will remain hard earned ISK. I am getting a drake, 10 bill ISK ready.
time to make happy EvE
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 09:38:00 -
[743]
Edited by: Whitehound on 12/03/2011 09:44:19
Originally by: Torlin Valric Someone said that you get twice as much isk when buying from an isk site (i guess you prefer to ignore that) so you can buy 2 ships for the same money as someone who buys gtc.
It is cheating, you don't seem to get that. Don't worry tho, nobody is perfect.
With some illegitimate sites you may get it cheaper, but it has also been said that some charge you as much as CCP. Some legitimate resellers then offer cheaper prices than CCP. So while your definition of cheating is fine, is it also useless.
I still think that CCP's goal is not to punish people, or to rid the world of RMTs, but to get rid of the bots on their server. If CCP wanted to fight all RMT then they would not have introduced PLEX, because PLEX is obviously of use to RMT no matter if it is legitimate or not.
When CCP bans a bot then they remove all the ISKs generated by it from the game, too. It is merely a logical consequence of the removal process. If a player bought from an illegitimate source and then finds a negative ISK amount in his or her wallet, then it is not a punishment by CCP. It may feel like it, but the player who bought it is really just a victim and it is only logical to remove the ISKs.
I can imagine that there will be exceptions to it, when a player repeatedly buys from illegitimate sources, and CCP may want to ban the player. Someone who repeatedly falls victim to illegitimate transfers could turn out to be an accomplice. Generally, however, should players who buy items from RMTs be treated as victims and not as offenders.
CCP introduced PLEX so that players do not have to become victims in CCP's fight against the bots, but it does not make the remaining victims now suddenly offenders. CCP likes players and they wish to keep them. --
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.12 11:07:00 -
[744]
Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 12/03/2011 11:13:22
Please waiti - loading RMT supporters brainfunctions...
...memory check - read only mode ...laywer module 0.1beta - active ...upgraded trolling set 2.3c - active ...bs module 12.843final - active ...learning skills 1.0 - not available ...spam module 1.0 - active
Ready for serious internet business.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.12 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/03/2011 11:32:26
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Here let me state it in clear terms with no amusing but irrelevant youtube antics thrown in.
The ship that you bought with rmt isk that you used to blow up some other players ship is no different than the ship you bought with plex isk that you used to blow up some other players ship. Both ships were purchased with rl monies. Both ships have exactly the same stats. Both ships could care less if you bought them with rmt isk or plex isk or mission grinding isk or trade isk or any form of isk.
Period.
You can split hairs all day long but its simply not true.
Now yet again is it right that people buy rmt isk? Of course not for many many many valid reasons. But cheating is not one of them.
I gleefully await the next suicide post.
Using the same reasonment:
Whether I work 10 hours a day and get paid EUR 3000 at the end of the month or I go out and kill someone and pry his wallet with EUR 3000 is no different.
It's clearly straight.
Oh wait, you DID sign a license agreement where YOU signed you'd not buy RMT money. If you do, then you are out. That simple. - Auditing & consulting
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.12 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 12/03/2011 11:42:27
Originally by: Whitehound Generally, however, should players who buy items from RMTs be treated as victims and not as offenders.
Is this you putting in your plea for leniency before getting caught?
The victims are all the subscribers who play the game within the rules and yet suffer the consequences of RMT.
The people who fund RMT, who make it worthwhile and profitable, they are the offenders.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Is this you putting in your plea for leniency before getting caught?
The victims are all the subscribers who play the game within the rules and yet suffer the consequences of RMT.
The people who fund RMT, who make it worthwhile and profitable, they are the offenders.
The only thing that offends you is the thought process involved in comprehending the situation. So get your torch ready and join the lynch mob. You will feel much better after some running and shouting. In fact, you will feel so good that you are not going to mind it when CCP does not ban thousands of players after all. Do you want to bet? --
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.12 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound In fact, you will feel so good that you are not going to mind it when CCP does not ban thousands of players after all.
You're expecting sympathy from the playerbase when (or if) CCP ban "thousands" of people who deliberately broke the EULA?
Dream on. Everyone not involved in cheating will simply say "well done CCP, go ban some more of them".
Simple as.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.12 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
The only thing that offends you is the thought process involved in comprehending the situation. So get your torch ready and join the lynch mob. You will feel much better after some running and shouting. In fact, you will feel so good that you are not going to mind it when CCP does not ban thousands of players after all. Do you want to bet?
Au contraire, I fully comprehend the topic. What I fail to understand is how you can take the stance you do in light of you self proclaimed mastery of the subject.
It isn't even very complicated. The bottom line is that some people break the rules set down by CCP and others profit from it.
My position is that those people who do not wish to abide by the rules should be excluded from participating in the game.
Your position seems to be that they are somehow victims of circumstance and should be treated accordingly.
I disagree.
I'm not looking for a lynch mob, or mass bannings. However I am quite happy for CCP to investigate anyone who appears on a list such as the one in this thread and to ban them permanently if they believe RMT has occured.
If I appeared on a list like this I would encourage CCP to investigate the claims as I have nothing to hide. More than that, I would have no issue with CCP making the results of any such investigation public. In fact I would prefer that they did.
You, however, seem like a man with something to hide.
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Nannageddon
The Devil's Right Hand Black Cartel.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 12:33:00 -
[750]
Originally by: Avon You, however, seem like a man with something to hide.
And he's doing such a fine job of it.
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