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Svenia Angel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:04:00 -
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Hello! Two weeks ago we got a wardec. From this point no wartarget were seen 6jumps around the place we are mining. No fighting, no ransom, no contact from the corp. Now the Members leaving our corp. What is the reason to do war like this? What can we do to stop this? Thx for the help!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Svenia Angel Hello! Two weeks ago we got a wardec. From this point no wartarget were seen 6jumps around the place we are mining. No fighting, no ransom, no contact from the corp. Now the Members leaving our corp. What is the reason to do war like this? What can we do to stop this? Thx for the help!
Wow... a war with no aggression and your members are still running away?
Good riddance, I say. Looks like you managed to get rid of some truly worthless pilots.
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Svenia Angel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:32:00 -
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The pressure from "could be killed" every time is very high. We are a industrial corp and a spy in system is every time possible. Orca, Hulks, Freighter are nice targets. Why should member be a easy target for this...? And they are not worthless members. Some like to fight some not and when they don't like fighting they are not worthless!
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Horza Gobushul
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:53:00 -
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They are during a wardec.
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Mutant Social
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Svenia Angel The pressure from "could be killed" every time is very high. We are a industrial corp and a spy in system is every time possible. Orca, Hulks, Freighter are nice targets. Why should member be a easy target for this...? And they are not worthless members. Some like to fight some not and when they don't like fighting they are not worthless!
No, they are simply worthless. As has been said, good riddance. There is always a chance to die in high sec whether you are war decced or not. If they don't like it, tell them to quit the game.
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Svenia Angel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:07:00 -
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Hm, i asked the CEO of the Corp why they have done the wardec and if they want a ransom..... and he quited the conversation without an answer. So our members are not worthless but the war is.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:18:00 -
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The wardec isn't the problem, it's your corp leader. People are leaving because he isn't being active in responding to the wardec.
1.He tells all your corp members mining is off during the duration.
2. He tells you to get in your combat ships, even frigs and t1 cruisers, and goes out looking for the wardeccer.
3. If two is honestly impossible, he has a backup invovling placing you out of reach of the wardeccer: you relocate 20 systems away, drop into a dummy corp, mine with t1 frigs in lowsec, etc.
Chances are your corp leader is paralyzed over the thought of spies and having to fight that he is driving players away by not being a leader. He also hasn't prepared for a wardec, so now he is panicing. This is why I don't usually join player corps any more.
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Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:18:00 -
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I am currently in a Carebear industry Corp who lives in high sec. We recently were War Dec'd as well "just for the fun of it" they said. I must say, EVERY member of our Corp came together and fought. They bought ships and fit them accordingly. We did OPS to practice. And when it came time to fight? We actually rocked them several times. They quit the War Dec because they were not expecting us to be such difficult fight. I was proud of my Corp for that. AND to be honest? It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.
The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:21:00 -
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Like Istvaan said, "Good ridance!" they are worthless to you and your corp if they bail out... Especially with no sign of aggression. So of us call this, "Trimming the fat." After-all, what is a corp with-out loyalty... Nothing.
If they are as you say, not worthless, and you ask the forum how to stop from people dropping from your corp? How about asking them not to? Sounds simple, but as a Ceo, i you've said nothing or haven't established a plan of action to your corp... You seem like weak leadership. You need a pep talk e-mail and rally you troops. Provide incentives like ship replacement to enourage ur guys to stand their ground. Provide medals for acts of courage, etc. A little shiney can go a long way. If they still leave... Then yes, they were indeed worthless... It happens.
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana I was proud of my Corp for that. AND to be honest? It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.
The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!
LOL, sounds like someone caught the PvP bug! Welcome to the Darkside.
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Mikalya
Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:30:00 -
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Dropping from corp to haul stuff, protect the freighters, provide neutral logistics, scout, etc is (according to CCP) a valid tactic. If they keep in touch and assist the corp with the intention of working with you in the future no real biggie.
If they AREN'T helping and just up and disappear, they ARE worthless.
You don't have to fight to help your corp during a war dec but to just jump and do nothing, well its time to replace them with people who will.
- The PitBoss: AGREED .. getting paid to farm your alliance isn't real pvp/merc work |
Mikalya
Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.
The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!
There are always high sec merc corps looking for people who want to fight and have fun. Look around and see if any seem interesting too you. I was much like you are right now; a carebear that finally got the taste of blood - The PitBoss: AGREED .. getting paid to farm your alliance isn't real pvp/merc work |
Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cordo Draken
Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana I was proud of my Corp for that. AND to be honest? It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.
The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!
LOL, sounds like someone caught the PvP bug! Welcome to the Darkside.
Yes, I did! But no one else in my Corp has it and Solo PVP is hard now-a-days... I keep getting blobbed. But you know what? I don't mind because it really is the only way to learn tactics. And hell...nothing buying some PLEX can't replace!
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Svenia Angel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Hm, i'm failed! The question wasn't why the players leave the Corp, because i said: the wardec is the reason without fighting!? The question is: What is the reason for the wardec? No fight, no ransom, no aggression, no answers from the CEO!? And how to stop the wardec? No wartargets, no conversations, no ransom?
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Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana It was the most fun I have had since I joined EVE 8 months ago.
The problem is now that the War is over? I don't want to be in a Carebear Corp anymore. Lol!
There are always high sec merc corps looking for people who want to fight and have fun. Look around and see if any seem interesting too you. I was much like you are right now; a carebear that finally got the taste of blood
Thanks for the idea! By the way... I don't care what anyone says... I love what the Orphanage adds to the game.
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Svenia Angel Hm, i'm failed! The question wasn't why the players leave the Corp, because i said: the wardec is the reason without fighting!? The question is: What is the reason for the wardec? No fight, no ransom, no aggression, no answers from the CEO!? And how to stop the wardec? No wartargets, no conversations, no ransom?
Well He** son, you're answering your own question... Someone just threw a stone in your glass house. It's obviously to disrupt your operation... Nothing more, nothing less. Hire a merc corp to counter dec if u want to throwback some added pressure. Just check out C&P forum.
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:58:51 Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:57:11 Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:53:05
Originally by: Mutant Social
No, they are simply worthless. As has been said, good riddance. There is always a chance to die in high sec whether you are war decced or not. If they don't like it, tell them to quit the game.
a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
if for example you could not initiate hostilities even on a war target in 0.8-1.0 systems or even if only 1.0 systems , (as many just play only to pve/mine) we would have a system to accomidate everyone without forcing anyone from the game
without accomidation and listening to opinions of others there would be no high sec there would be no NPC corp and there would be about 95% less players playing .... if the game would have lasted 6 months with such a rule set :p
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Svenia Angel
What is the reason for the wardec?
lols, you provided plenty even without shooting at you
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie
Originally by: Mutant Social
Originally by: Svenia Angel The pressure from "could be killed" every time is very high. We are a industrial corp and a spy in system is every time possible. Orca, Hulks, Freighter are nice targets. Why should member be a easy target for this...? And they are not worthless members. Some like to fight some not and when they don't like fighting they are not worthless!
No, they are simply worthless. As has been said, good riddance. There is always a chance to die in high sec whether you are war decced or not. If they don't like it, tell them to quit the game.
a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
if for example you could not initiate hostilities even on a war target in 0.8-1.0 systems or even if only 1.0 systems , (as many just play only to pve/mine) we would have a system to accomidate everyone without forcing anyone from the game
without accomidation and listening to opinions of others there would be no high sec there would be no NPC corp and there would be about 95% less player playing ....
There, I fixed your failed quote. Anyway, I really hope your trolling and aren't actually that stupid. If its the former, well played. If not, go back to WoW. This game was created first and foremost as *GASP!* a PvP game. Even if it has gotten fat with little carebears and Online Barbie Dressup stuff, that is still what it is about. The fact that you can engage anyone that is undocked anywhere is the best part of the game. So your little "solution" would make a lot more people quit than it would keep. So, next time please think before making a complete ****** out of yourself. Kthx. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Mikalya
Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jean Luc Bathana Thanks for the idea! By the way... I don't care what anyone says... I love what the Orphanage adds to the game.
I used to hate people like me - The PitBoss: AGREED .. getting paid to farm your alliance isn't real pvp/merc work |
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie
a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
if for example you could not initiate hostilities even on a war target in 0.8-1.0 systems or even if only 1.0 systems , (as many just play only to pve/mine) we would have a system to accomidate everyone without forcing anyone from the game
without accomidation and listening to opinions of others there would be no high sec there would be no NPC corp and there would be about 95% less players playing .... if the game would have lasted 6 months with such a rule set :p
Dude, you're a moron. The game is based on PvP and without it's presense Everywhere, the game economy would deflate and then what's the point for you Carebears to even play? Face it, PvP is what drives the Eve Market Economy. Now go suck an egg.
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VE3DVY
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
I play Call of Duty online multiplayer deathmatch in order to be a pacifist and people keep griefing me by shooting me. Can you come help me file a petition against them with Activision?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: VE3DVY
Originally by: Debrie a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
I play Call of Duty online multiplayer deathmatch in order to be a pacifist and people keep griefing me by shooting me. Can you come help me file a petition against them with Activision?
This one time I was playing Super Mario 3 and a Goomba killed me. I wrote to Nintendo to have Goombas banned for griefing. They were indeed banned, and went on to film the popular television show The Sopranos.
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Luvvin McHunt
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Posted - 2011.03.11 00:16:00 -
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It's all about perspective. You say it ruins the fun but the people who started the war dec are having a great time laughing their heads off watching your corp numbers drop as people leave. They are getting good value entertainment by destroying a corp for only 2mil isk a week. A bargain.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.03.11 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Deen Wispa on 11/03/2011 02:08:56 Edited by: Deen Wispa on 11/03/2011 02:08:08 Edited by: Deen Wispa on 11/03/2011 02:07:28
Originally by: Svenia Angel Hm, i'm failed! The question wasn't why the players leave the Corp, because i said: the wardec is the reason without fighting!? The question is: What is the reason for the wardec? No fight, no ransom, no aggression, no answers from the CEO!? And how to stop the wardec? No wartargets, no conversations, no ransom?
OP- As others have stated, those who quit on you are worthless. Just cowards. I speak from personal experience about this as well.
Depending on where you reside, hit me up for some neutral RR. Some of my guys might be bored and will help...provided you're in Gallente space.
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:13:41 bet the majority of yall also think the newbie corp shouldnt exist or high sec for that matter
who would it hurt to allow player to play together without fear of wardec actions in ultra high sec (less than .25 % of the game)
except to increase the playerbase , by allowing groups to form together outside the npc corp , but still get its war dec protection in 1.0 systems
regardless of what you say , allowing it in ultra high sec wouldnt cause anyone to "quit" , and even if it did the many that stay would outway the few that leave
honestly , if yall had it "your way" (all pvp all the time) the game woulda failed years ago
although it matters little you have your opinions and I have mine and nuthing said will change the others mind , but mine would keep more peaple playing and in no way effect the overall game in the slightest :p
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Mikalya
Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie
bet the majority of yall also think the newbie corp shouldnt exist or high sec for that matter
who would it hurt to allow player to play together without fear of wardec actions in ultra high sec (less than .25 % of the game)
except to increase the playerbase , by allowing groups to form together outside the npc corp , but still get its war dec protection in 1.0 systems
regardless of what you say , allowing it in ultra high sec wouldnt cause anyone to "quit" , and even if it did the many that stay would outway the few that leave
honestly , if yall had it "your way" (all pvp all the time) the game woulda failed years ago
although it matters little you have your opinions and I have mine and nuthing said will change the others mind , but mine would keep more peaple playing and in no way effect the overall game in the slightest :p
Not very many, including those of us who earn our living and FUN shooting people, think that removing NPC corps or limiting their membership would work or be good for Eve.
Besides, ganking someone who thought they were "safe" is great fun - The PitBoss: AGREED .. getting paid to farm your alliance isn't real pvp/merc work |
Debrie
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:26:58 Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:25:28
aye I understand suicide ganking
but all im saying is we have a war dec immune NPC corp (but annoying as all heck because of the thousand members spread across the galaxy)
but what would it hurt to add a player run Carebear corp , that when war decced can scurry to ultra high sec for npc protection (possibly needing a certain nation Standing for that protection) , insteada disbanding that drives some from the game entierly : \ (you could still "suicide gank them" while there war decced)
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.03.11 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:26:58 Edited by: Debrie on 11/03/2011 03:25:28
aye I understand suicide ganking
but all im saying is we have a war dec immune NPC corp (but annoying as all heck because of the thousand members spread across the galaxy)
but what would it hurt to add a player run Carebear corp , that when war decced can scurry to ultra high sec for npc protection (possibly needing a certain nation Standing for that protection) , insteada disbanding that drives some from the game entierly : \ (you could still "suicide gank them" while there war decced)
Okay, I do understand where you are coming from. I have been through it many times so I know how you feel.
First, to the question of why the Dec? Most likely it was simply to keep you out of the nearby belts and to otherwise disrupt your operations. Or they might just be watching to see if you will come out and then jump on you once you do.
Either way it does not matter. They are playing the game their way and by causing you grief they are winning. (This is quite as intended as a game mechanic. They have as much right to do so as you have to mine.)
What you need to do. First, leave 1 alt to hold your corp and the have everyone drop out to the same NPC corp. Then create a channel just for your corp mates. This will allow you to operate just as you did before the Dec. If they attack you, Concord will blow them away.
Do not communicate with them. Do not respond to them . And what ever you do, do not pay them. Ignore them and stay in your NPC corp. Name the Alt holding the corp something like Holding Alt777 so that they will know that further griefing will be pointless.
Let them rage, threaten, whatever. Even if they gank one or two of you do not respond. Sooner or later they will get bored and go away. This is how you farm griefer tears.
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits. Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:58:51 Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:57:11 Edited by: Debrie on 10/03/2011 17:53:05
Originally by: Mutant Social
No, they are simply worthless. As has been said, good riddance. There is always a chance to die in high sec whether you are war decced or not. If they don't like it, tell them to quit the game.
a typical worthless answer from someone that should be forced outa the game themselves (anyone telling others to find another game , dont deserve to be playing it themselves)
noone should be forced to go play another game , we should accomidate to fit every playstyle not just a pew pew style
if for example you could not initiate hostilities even on a war target in 0.8-1.0 systems or even if only 1.0 systems , (as many just play only to pve/mine) we would have a system to accomidate everyone without forcing anyone from the game
without accomidation and listening to opinions of others there would be no high sec there would be no NPC corp and there would be about 95% less players playing .... if the game would have lasted 6 months with such a rule set :p
This idea is moronic, if you make Ultra-High sec everyone in .5-.8 systems will just move to the .9-1.0 systems to get that immunity.
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