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Bl3rnsball
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:07:00 -
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So, I've stumbled upon a bit of a problem.
My corp history is a bit extensive for the length of time my main has been in game (6 player run corps in about 8 or so months). When I left previous corps I ended up rejoining the npc corp rather than swapping to a new player run corp which makes it look even worse when you scroll down the employment history.
For those that might be curious:
1: folded in highsec after a wardeck
1: a rl friend got me into sov space and then quit the game a few weeks later, leaving me out there with 3ish mil sp and not knowing what to do and the corp wasn't too helpful
2: I've left due to them joining large alliances and taking sov (I know there are people who want to get into sov, but I just don't have too much of an interest in participating in sov (lag fests) or have the time to dedicate so that I feel I'm contributing to the corp and alliance. The major problems alarm clock fleets, battles that last more than an hour to an hour and a half on a regular basis on work days, etc... I'm more interested in smaller scale pvp 5-40ish.
1: is a closed corp I created due to 6 people I know irl at a local gaming center got together to play (I'm the last one playing).
And the corp I'm in is currently working on joining a large alliance and going into sov space.
The two corps that joined sov space and my current corp all advertised that they were not interested in holding sov prior to me joining. I explained to them that if they moved to sov space, I would be leaving. They all affirmed that they had no interest in sov space. So, yes I did ask and was specific about my desires in a corp.
I'm currently looking around at other corps and when I look at my employment history I think "corp hopper." How much of a problem will my corp history be if my current corp joins sov and I start looking around for a new corp?
I didn't emorage quit or engage in dramatics. In actuality I liked most of the people I interacted with in all but 1 corp. I'm pretty sure I can get references from most of the corps (obviously not my own or my first sov holding corp, well I could get one from my own, but I don't think it would count for much )
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:21:00 -
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When I do recruiting, there are several things I look at. Corp history is just one of those things. A single red flag might tell me to pay close attention to other things, but ultimately the most weight is going to be on killboards/known associates and personality from just chatting with you. I have a rule that I don't recruit someone who I haven't flown with, as that's a good excuse to see how interested a person is in interacting with other people. Most corps are going to be looking at the corps specifically to try to gauge trouble (i.e. a mining corp would reject you outright if one of your previous corps was a griefer corp.)
On the other hand, some corps will accept absolutely anybody. And then get wardecced.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bl3rnsball I'm currently looking around at other corps and when I look at my employment history I think "corp hopper." How much of a problem will my corp history be if my current corp joins sov and I start looking around for a new corp?
A key aspect of corp membership is trust. Your future corps will need to decide if they trust you or not. Just tell them the truth. If they accept it, then you will have no problem. If they don't, then they probably weren't going to trust you anyways.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:34:00 -
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As a CEO and recruiter, I can personally tell you that I ALWAYS look at employment history and a track record of corp hopping.
It's hit or miss. Some recruiters are horrible recruiters and will recruit anyone. It's only the really solid well managed corps who get picky because, well, they can afford to do so.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:49:00 -
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Try having Goonfleet in your corp history
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Alonzo Harris
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:52:00 -
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Leaving a corp (and perhaps several) can have different reasons: you could be a spy, an idiot, an *******, annoying, useless, lazy or a thief. But you could also be picky yourself and find that the people in the corp(s) you joined are idiotic, annoying and lazy *******s.
As long as you're not leaving within a few days (it takes a bit of time to realise that you joined a ******ed corp where they say a lot of things about how fantastic they are but in reality they're as **** as everyone else), you should be fine. Unless ofcourse your corp history gets ridiculously long.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:08:00 -
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To be honest, 6 corps in 8 months is not enough of what I consider a "corp hopper" to throw you out on that basis alone. Now, 6 corps in 8 weeks... that'd raise my eyebrows. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.11 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee To be honest, 6 corps in 8 months is not enough of what I consider a "corp hopper" to throw you out on that basis alone. Now, 6 corps in 8 weeks... that'd raise my eyebrows.
your eyebrows are down so low that might look funny
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Bl3rnsball
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Posted - 2011.03.12 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bl3rnsball on 12/03/2011 02:06:07 Edited by: Bl3rnsball on 12/03/2011 02:04:47
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Bl3rnsball I'm currently looking around at other corps requirements and when I look at my employment history I think "corp hopper." How much of a problem will my corp history be if my current corp joins sov and I start looking around for a new corp?
A key aspect of corp membership is trust. Your future corps will need to decide if they trust you or not. Just tell them the truth. If they accept it, then you will have no problem. If they don't, then they probably weren't going to trust you anyways.
Heh, I edited out a fairly important word there. I figured if I was going to throw up ye olde wall o' text it would at least be easily read.
Thanks for the input folks. It does give me some hope of getting into a halfway decent (by my opinion of course) corp that has a bit of organization, teamwork, and internet friendships going on in it.
I'm still waiting to see what the ceo/directors decide to do and if the corp gets into a sov holding alliance I'm out hence the homework on prospective corps. The posts on our forums and talk on ts indicate that it's a strong likelihood that the corp will enter the alliance.
odd, spell check wants me to capitalize internet to correct the spelling.
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Sovennek
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:07:00 -
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To be nit picky, "Internet" is a name. Sort of like Kleenex.
Sovennek Salvage Company "If we don't find wrecks, we make them!" |
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:45:00 -
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There should be an interview process at some point, either a formal survey-type-thing with the recruiter (usually larger corps) or a series of informal conversations with several corp-members (smaller corps with fewer at-risk shared assets and less of an industrial base).
During the interviews, you will probably be asked about your experiences with your old corps, and you'll have more opportunities than you would ever want to explain the entirety of your corp history. As long as you don't have any members of goonswarm on that list and you don't say something verifiably untrue, likely your explanation will be sufficient.
Basically, don't worry about it, you'll be fine.
(Side note: if you're ever recruited _without_ an interview, make sure you're brushed up on your basic pvp, because any corporation that incompetent is going to get attacked pretty soon.) ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Ezekeil Rage
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard There should be an interview process at some point, either a formal survey-type-thing with the recruiter (usually larger corps) or a series of informal conversations with several corp-members (smaller corps with fewer at-risk shared assets and less of an industrial base).
During the interviews, you will probably be asked about your experiences with your old corps, and you'll have more opportunities than you would ever want to explain the entirety of your corp history. As long as you don't have any members of goonswarm on that list and you don't say something verifiably untrue, likely your explanation will be sufficient.
Basically, don't worry about it, you'll be fine.
(Side note: if you're ever recruited _without_ an interview, make sure you're brushed up on your basic pvp, because any corporation that incompetent is going to get attacked pretty soon.)
What he said. ------------------------------------------------------ Shadow-war - you should click this link |
Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.04.06 20:23:00 -
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As HR Director for ABY-S I can tell you that 6 corps in 8 months is not unusual at all.
Personally, when I recruit I only use employment history to check if you've been in any corps that have griefed us, are red to our alliance, or things of that nature. And even if you were that still doesn't automatically boot you off my list.
I recruit based on how an interview goes. If you claim to be a 1337 PVP god, I expect you to have the KB presence to back it up. If you say you're a perfect miner with a Rorqual in LS and a 600 trillion/ month trading business, I'll only ask for your limited api to verify the skills.... your money is your own business
As long as I don't catch you lying to me I'm pretty chill. The second I do though, things get dicey. I once kicked a fellow directors alt because he couldn't explain what he was doing in the officer chat channel. (I later found out it was him, and we had a good laugh about it )
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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:37:00 -
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There are a number of corps that view 'corp hoppers' with disfavor. I think that's kind of self defeating considering the amount of false advertising that goes on in recruiting ads and public chat channels. In a lot of cases it takes five minutes in a corp to find out the truth, and some people have the guts to say 'No' at that point.
As you mentioned, there are a number of unforeseen circumstances that can also mess up an employment history.
I don't care so much about the number of corps as the corps themselves. People who have been with certain corps for more than an hour won't even get a response to their applications.
Other than that, though, I prefer to base my opinion of a player on performance during probation rather than employment history. In a number of cases it has turned out that the pilot with the cleanest record had that spotless record because they didn't have the drive or skills to make any impression at all on previous corps.
So don't despair. There are still corps that would love to have you.
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:43:00 -
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Sigh the forums decided to log me out while i was writing...so here we go again
First off 6 corps in 8 months is not bad.Just be honest if a recruiter asks you about it.
Here is my first advice. If you decide to leave your current corp and you have decided that your not interested in joining an 0.0 alliance,ask the recruiter this "Are you planning to go to 0.0 at any point in the future?".If they say no,you ask why and honestly the best answear would be "been there,done that". Im sorry to say that many recruiters,especially in smaller corps that "need" recruits,will say whatever you want to hear
Second advice. Be patient. Spend some time chatting with the recruiter,join their public channel and talk to their members,and/or friends,and do a search on the recruiter/corp/alliance.You will find that many times forum posts will give you a good idea on a corps general attitude.
Third advice. Join an older corp,6 months + atleast.
Forth and final advice. Be honest with the recruiter,and you will find that they are more honest with you.A recruit that is very cold,and answears with yes and no,or just ask questions and don't leave room for any small chat will make some recruiters distrust you.
I wish you the best of luck,and i hope that you will enjoy your time in eve
Regards, NightCrawler Phoibe Enterprises
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin When I do recruiting, there are several things I look at. Corp history is just one of those things. A single red flag might tell me to pay close attention to other things, but ultimately the most weight is going to be on killboards/known associates and personality from just chatting with you. I have a rule that I don't recruit someone who I haven't flown with, as that's a good excuse to see how interested a person is in interacting with other people. Most corps are going to be looking at the corps specifically to try to gauge trouble (i.e. a mining corp would reject you outright if one of your previous corps was a griefer corp.)
No one gets to join my corp directly. There's a lengthy trial period, lasting weeks for a real-life friend or relative (of me or another veteran member) or months otherwise. During this time, the "corporate associate" gets to hang out in a public corp channel (and access part of our forum) with us real members, to get advice and help and just so we can get to know each other, and also gets to fly with us on missions or mining ops (according to temper).
I wouldn't be bothered by 8 corps in 6 months at all, but I would be bothered by 40 corps in 5 years, unless most of the corp names occured again and again, e.g. joining then leaving one corp multiple times, doing the same with another corp, and leary half the corps on the list looking like NPC corps.
(CBWA is not currently recruiting, though.) -- Salpad |
Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sovennek To be nit picky, "Internet" is a name. Sort of like Kleenex.
You're correct, but since my corp is text-only, I'd rather have a member that can type fast than one that can spell perfectly.
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