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Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:15:00 -
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This was written by me and me alone with the intention of solidifying all Incursion Communities:
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HIGH-SEC INCURSION RUNNERS COMMUNITY AGREEMENT (HIRCA)
0. INTRODUCTION TO CHANNELS: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP) - An Incursion Community focused on shield tanked ships. Accepts any and all pilots willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics. Intended for any shield focused pilot, without bias.
b. The Ditanian Fleet (TDF) - An Incursion Community focused on armor tanked ships. Also accepts any and all pilots willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics. Intended for any armor focused pilot, without bias.
c. Incursion Shiny Network (ISN) - An Incursion Community focused on shield tanked ships, with the addition of ISK Per Hour being the fundamental strategy. Accepts pilots capable of flying specific ships, fit in a specific way, for the sake of efficiency and speed. Must be willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics.
1. MOM ROTATION: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP), The Ditanian Fleet (TDF), Incursion Shiny Network (ISN), followed by "Community X." b. All MOM Rotation slots are subject to being "Contested."
1a. COMMUNITY X: aa. Community X defined as any other willing Incursion Community with sufficient pilot numbers able to field a full SCOUT, VANGUARD, ASSAULT, HEADQUARTERS, and MOM fleet at the same time (roughly 130 pilots minimum) during their respective Incursion Community's Peak Playtime Hours.
1b. CONTESTED: ba. If any Incursion Community is incapable of fielding a full MOM fleet (at least 60 pilots) by the designated "Courtesy Time Frame," a welcomed and acceptable Contest shall be allowed, which may include any and all EVE Online Communities capable of fielding a full MOM fleet, regardless of MOM Rotation.
1a. COURTESY TIME FRAME: aa. A Courtesy Time Frame of 10 - 12 hours after the Incursion site has began Withdrawing. This Courtesy Time Frame is to allow all the Incursion Community to move themselves to the next high-sec Incursion site. If no new high-sec Incursion site is available upon reaching Courtesy Time Frame, then Courtesy Time Frame will be pushed back until an available high-sec Incursion site spawns.
2. PROPAGANDA: a. All Incursion Communities accepted into MOM Rotation must agree to use no forms of Propaganda to belittle, harass, misinform, disrespect, falsely accuse, or otherwise deface or defame any other Incursion Community.
3. BAN LISTS: a. Any and all Ban Lists must be updated to remove no longer necessary character names, corporations, and/or alliances; updated Ban Lists are to be made available as public domain.
4. NINJA LOOTERS AND GRIEFERS: a. All Incursion Communities (labeled "Incursion Runners Community," here on IRC) must cease and desist Ninja Looting MOM Site Drops and the overall Griefing of Incursion sites.
1a. Incursion Runners Community (IRC): aa. IRC is defined as all Incursion Communities willing and able to sign this agreement, despite having the pilot numbers to gain a MOM Rotation slot.
ab. IRC should include a Panel of channel CEOs (labeled "Chief Executive Panel," here on CEP) which should also include Third Party "Civilian" members acting as their respective Community's Diplomat (labeled "Community 'Civilian' Diplomat," here on CCD).
1a. CCDs are to be chosen by either their respective Incursion Community as a whole or by IRC's CEP, in Good Faith. 1b. CCD's purpose is to help discuss and share view points which may be missed by IRCs CEP and be in no way biased toward any one community.
5. MOM SITE DROPS: a. MOM Site Drops are the sole property of the victors of MOM Site, which will be internally decided upon by the victor's Incursion Community CEOs as to how to handle MOM Site Drops, or by agreement of IRCs CEP, in Good Faith.
6. DECISION MAKING: a. No decisions can be made by any one Incursion Community, whether in Good Faith or not, without IRCs CEP being given the opportunity, with full Due-Diligence, to give opinion on the matter. Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2510
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:18:00 -
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You call that a code? That's not a code. This is a code.
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Herr Ronin
Intergalactic Slave Network
219
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:22:00 -
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A very well done and interesting post.
Let's see what come's of it. | Management Of ISN | Skype: Herr-Ronin | Twitter: @Herr_Ronin |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
284
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:23:00 -
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ISD please move to Missions & Complex beore the trolls start the feeding frenzy =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4458
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:34:00 -
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/signed
sincerely, the only group to ever get the revenant BPC drops "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
567
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:41:00 -
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And this is why I don't do incursions, too much crap and politiks. Its sad to see what incursions have become. |
Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
22
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:/signed
sincerely, the only group to ever get the revenant BPC drops nice to see a Goon sign this :) Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
22
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:45:00 -
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Myxx wrote:And this is why I don't do incursions, too much crap and politiks. Its sad to see what incursions have become. i know, right? just keeps getting worse and this is the only public attempt at fixing this sort of thing. Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4458
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:53:00 -
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Sean Whedon wrote:Andski wrote:/signed
sincerely, the only group to ever get the revenant BPC drops nice to see a Goon sign this :)
you don't need to count us as a signatory "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
23
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:59:00 -
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Andski wrote:Sean Whedon wrote:Andski wrote:/signed
sincerely, the only group to ever get the revenant BPC drops nice to see a Goon sign this :) you don't need to count us as a signatory copy. Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
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Quaaid
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
126
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Posted - 2012.08.27 00:09:00 -
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Solidify incursion communities by reaching out and working with them directly. I really doubt they want to collaborate on a public forum. Politics for subsets of the EVE universe can't get molded well here.
With that said, worry about how to even get the MOM loot before you divide it up. :)
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.08.27 00:24:00 -
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Quaaid wrote: With that said, worry about how to even get the MOM loot before you divide it up. :)
If they ever implement Crimwatch or fix loot drops so everyone in fleet can fire/scram the looter ( not just 1 corp in the fleet ) then we'd have the loot pretty much every time.
I hope if they ever have a non Sanssha Incursion it'll have the above fix & make a loot drop more of the payout instead of just pure ISK & LP TBH. A Jove, Drone or Sleeper Incursion would be cool =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Sturmwolke
262
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Posted - 2012.08.27 00:34:00 -
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Sean Whedon wrote:This was written by me and me alone with the intention of solidifying all Incursion Communities
Doubt that statement, judging from the timestamps of the replies. It's definitely written to force a hand on someone's part when you air drama into the public eye.
Sean Whedon wrote: 1. MOM ROTATION: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP), The Ditanian Fleet (TDF), Incursion Shiny Network (ISN), followed by "Community X." b. All MOM Rotation slots are subject to being "Contested."
With the above, you have 2 shield groups vs 1 armor group, plus one wildcard. Channels are never mixed for a practical reason. To agree to the above would mean one nail to the armor group's coffin and further consolidate shield player numbers.
The simpler approach is to alternate evenly between armor and shield. Armor group (TDF) or any future armor group splinters will deal with taking turns within the allocated armor rotation slot. Shield group (TVP and ISN) or any future shield group splinters will deal with taking turns within the allocated shield rotation slot
That preserves the balance betweeen armor and shield.
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Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 00:49:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Sean Whedon wrote:This was written by me and me alone with the intention of solidifying all Incursion Communities Doubt that statement, judging from the timestamps of the replies. It's definitely written to force a hand on someone's part when you air drama into the public eye. Sean Whedon wrote: 1. MOM ROTATION: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP), The Ditanian Fleet (TDF), Incursion Shiny Network (ISN), followed by "Community X." b. All MOM Rotation slots are subject to being "Contested."
With the above, you have 2 shield groups vs 1 armor group, plus one wildcard. Channels are never mixed for a practical reason. To agree to the above would mean one nail to the armor group's coffin and further consolidate shield player numbers. The simpler approach is to alternate evenly between armor and shield. Armor group (TDF) or any future armor group splinters will deal with taking turns within the allocated armor rotation slot. Shield group (TVP and ISN) or any future shield group splinters will deal with taking turns within the allocated shield rotation slot That preserves the balance betweeen armor and shield. no need to doubt that statement. i wrote this after issues occurred between these channels very recently, then posted a link to this page in all of their channels.
as far as what you are stating, that is definitely a compromising solution. to be honest, Community X (wildcard) shouldnt really need to exist, as TVP is shield, TDF is armor, and ISN is for the super expense isk/hour community. although ISN is a shield community only, the reason that is so is because TDF (armor in general, really) tend to have a VERY difficult time putting a large enough fleet together. ISN would have an armor channel if there were enough pilots for it, thus creating the final community needed (a general shield and armor, and then a shiny shield and armor). it would solidify the incursion community into 4 main channels, with splinter channels (subsets and such) being allowed to sign the agreement, but probably not being able to claim a MOM site rotation slot. which is fair, being that more often than not, the top LP gainers will be from TVP or ISN, and has been the case for over a year. Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4458
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Posted - 2012.08.27 00:58:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:If they ever implement Crimwatch or fix loot drops so everyone in fleet can fire/scram the looter ( not just 1 corp in the fleet ) then we'd have the loot pretty much every time. I hope if they ever have a non Sanssha Incursion it'll have the above fix & make a loot drop more of the payout instead of just pure ISK & LP TBH. A Jove, Drone or Sleeper Incursion would be cool
everyone in the fleet can shoot the looters, they just all have to be in the same corp "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sturmwolke
262
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Posted - 2012.08.27 01:36:00 -
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Sean Whedon wrote: .. although ISN is a shield community only, the reason that is so is because TDF (armor in general, really) tend to have a VERY difficult time putting a large enough fleet together. ISN would have an armor channel if there were enough pilots for it, thus creating the final community needed (a general shield and armor, and then a shiny shield and armor). it would solidify the incursion community into 4 main channels, with splinter channels (subsets and such) being allowed to sign the agreement, but probably not being able to claim a MOM site rotation slot. which is fair, being that more often than not, the top LP gainers will be from TVP or ISN, and has been the case for over a year.
Channels are never mixed for practical reasons. What you described has been done before when "BTL" (the main shield channel back then) spawned "BTL Armor" for their own reasons. It never really took off as a reliable armor channel.
High-sec incursion runners need to put their perspective right.
ISN (plus other channels) have been around for quite a bit during the BTL/TDF era of MOM rotation. They truly don't need the MOM kill to increase their isk efficiency, because elite fleets are only interested in one thing - the best isk/hour. I farmed literally millions of LP without batting an eye of who gets to kill the MOM. If I wanted the experience, I'll just catch any TDF/BTL mom fleet with the right ship as EITHER fleets will have experienced FC leading them. This sudden interest from ISN means only one thing - someone's bored.
The majority high-sec incursion runners aren't interested in the politics. The BTL/TDF era condition was simple :
Kill MOM when it withdraws.
How difficult is it to understand five words of English? Good grief. Now play nice children.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.08.27 01:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius]If they ever implement Crimwatch or fix loot drops so everyone in fleet can fire/scram the looter ( not just 1 corp in the fleet ) then we'd have the loot pretty much every time. I hope if they ever have a non Sanssha Incursion it'll have the above fix & make a loot drop more of the payout instead of just pure ISK & LP TBH. A Jove, Drone or Sleeper Incursion would be cool
everyone in the fleet can shoot the looters, they just all have to be in the same corp[/quo] Don't think Ive ever heard of a HI SEC Incursion MOM fleet were all members are in the same corp... even the ones Brick & Goons had had peeps in the same alliance but not in same corp so if NINJA looters where shot Concord kill most in the fleetthat tried to scram them =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mallak Azaria
583
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Posted - 2012.08.27 02:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:if NINJA looters where shot Concord kill most in the fleetthat tried to scram them
That sounds awesome & would be fun to watch.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4459
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Posted - 2012.08.27 02:29:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Don't think Ive ever heard of a HI SEC Incursion MOM fleet were all members are in the same corp... even the ones Brick & Goons had had peeps in the same alliance but not in same corp so if NINJA looters where shot Concord kill most in the fleetthat tried to scram them
generally if that was the case there were enough dudes from any given corp to kill a ninja looter
on one hand, hisec incursion runners have to deal with *gasp* suicide blackbirds and ninja looters while lowsec dudes had to deal with things like R&K cynos going up the moment the mothership was popped, gangs coming by looking for kills, gate rats and other such things
naturally the hisec incursion runners are in need of more immunity "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:24:00 -
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TVP will never fly with ISN, because ISN are in fact griefing assholes. I have no affiliation with the leadership of TVP, however all you have to do is stop by the in game channel and this will be confirmed repeatedly. |
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Ghazu
58
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:30:00 -
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No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:43:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.
Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.
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Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet In Umbra Mortis
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:48:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Ghazu wrote:No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it. Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.
So because ISN supposedly runs with extra pilots every incursion runner is making less money? That doesn't make any sense what so ever. |
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:57:00 -
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CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!
Lmao, you guys...
I propose an alternative solution that would get rid of ninja looting, arguments over sites etc. Remove incursions |
Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet In Umbra Mortis
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:00:00 -
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Dirk Culliford wrote:CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!
Lmao, you guys...
No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts. |
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:12:00 -
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Yeyra wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!
Lmao, you guys... No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts.
I was referring to the buffs of the past |
Krissada
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
169
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:13:00 -
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Hehehe.... I can't wait to get my hands on you again GÖÑ |
Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet In Umbra Mortis
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:21:00 -
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Dirk Culliford wrote:Yeyra wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!
Lmao, you guys... No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts. I was referring to the buffs of the past
And why are they relevant to this topic? |
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:30:00 -
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Yeyra wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:Yeyra wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!
Lmao, you guys... No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts. I was referring to the buffs of the past And why are they relevant to this topic?
Because they show incursions for what they really are. It's got nothing to do with enjoyable gameplay and everything to do with fountains of isk.
If you want isk at least be competitive. None of this gentleman's agreement 'it's your turn at the spawn good sirs'. You should all be going for it and may the best fleet win. C'est la eve |
Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet In Umbra Mortis
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 07:35:00 -
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Dirk Culliford wrote: Because they show incursions for what they really are. It's got nothing to do with enjoyable gameplay and everything to do with fountains of isk.
Correct.
Quote:If you want isk at least be competitive. None of this gentleman's agreement 'it's your turn at the spawn good sirs'. You should all be going for it and may the best fleet win. C'est la eve
ISN is competitive. If we can contest, we do it. The current mothership drama is about TVP getting butthurt, because ISN popped a mothership last week a few hours before it was withdrawing. So they decided to pop every single mothership as soon as the next Incursion spawns and thus only leaving one Incursion up at a time to hurt/punish ISN. But the only thing TVP accomplishes with this is to annoy every single Incursion runner in EVE by forcing them to move daily, especially their own members. In fact they don't hurt us at all, they're accomplishing the exact opposite by forcing everyone into one High Sec Incursion and thus giving us more contests which means more ISK/hr for us. It's annoying to move daily, but that's it. This drama going to end sooner or later. Either TVP stops or they'll lose members like crazy and won't be able to fill any fleet anymore, because many of their members are already pretty pissed about this. I hope now you understand why Sean Whedon suggested this agreement and is trying to end this drama.
And fyi I personally agree with you that there should'nt be a rotation. Motherships aren't that important anyways. I personally don't care who pops them. I only care about when they're getting popped. |
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