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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
29
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:LilRemmy wrote:I sign to have all incursions moved to lowsec and 0.0.
Tada! WOW you NULL SECCerz are doing a GREAT JOB with them NULL Incursions, huh? Since the Escalation nerf not a single null/lo incursion has been killed by the players... they just stagnate & withdraw on thier own. So why should they be moved there when they are not being run? So us HI SEC pilots will come out & do your jobs for you I say if you guys in NULL/LO are not doing them, Incursions should all be moved to HI SEC along with the Revenant BPC drop
+1 Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
287
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:31:00 -
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I see that there is currently an NPC Angel NULL SEC space Incursion. Since NPC space like lo sec doesn't allow anyone to claim SOV there I wonder why the revenant BPC doesn't drop there too? I mean everyone want to fly a gigantic space turd correct ( except the space rich CSM )? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
60
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:47:00 -
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Points:
All sites contestable.
Contesting is not griefing.
Low/Null Incursions are fun. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:28:00 -
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Yeyra wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Yeyra wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Ghazu wrote:No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it. Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye. So because ISN supposedly runs with extra pilots every incursion runner is making less money? That doesn't make any sense what so ever. I guess you don't run incursions. They contest you. Your fleet has enough pilots for full payout. Theirs has more pilots so less payout per pilot. If they win everyone makes less ISK. Since they have more ships, they usually win. When Incursions were full at least there was a reason to do it. Now its just indignant. You guessed wrong. I fly with ISN. I'm one of the "griefing assholes".
Then that makes you overtly full of **** for pretending to not understand the mechanics.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4463
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:31:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:LilRemmy wrote:I sign to have all incursions moved to lowsec and 0.0.
Tada! WOW you NULL SECCerz are doing a GREAT JOB with them NULL Incursions, huh? Since the Escalation nerf not a single null/lo incursion has been killed by the players... they just stagnate & withdraw on thier own. So why should they be moved there when they are not being run? So us HI SEC pilots will come out & do your jobs for you I say if you guys in NULL/LO are not doing them, Incursions should all be moved to HI SEC along with the Revenant BPC drop
why don't you go run the low/null ones? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:40:00 -
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Quote:I would like to update you.
ISN Mainly Runs Vanguard's and Assaults.
Vanguards 12 on grid
Assaults 20 on grid
HQ's 40 on grid
ISN is all about contesting and isk per hour, there is a lot of players who play for fun and other things, Our's is Isk, Slandering a community off isn't going to prove anything, Especially if you lack the correct information.
You are not a community, you are a fleet within the community. I have certainly run against ISN fleets with 14 and 15 pilots in VG's, contesting sites when there were open sites.
Quote:Most of these toons are known trolls or incursion griefers that love nothing more than seeing carebear tears. Most eveident from thier lack of attention to the main topic and the determination to swap focus from, how we can get along, to how we are getting more than we deserve.
Go find a low sec gate to camp while you play WOW rather than troll the forums.
I ran incursions daily till they nerfed VG's and still run assaults and HQ's for fun, not ISK per hour as missions tend to pay more these days. I paid direct attention to the main topic, as I am in TVP daily. I don't care if some people from TVP fly with ISN, most people in that fleet don't like ISN and complain about them daily. You try to p[aint me as an outsider looking in but you aren't in the channel in question, so YOU go back to WoW with your JR. High level logic. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4504
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:/signed
sincerely, the only group to ever get the revenant BPC drops
Excuse me, but no. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Yeyra
Atlantean Defense Fleet In Umbra Mortis
3
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:57:00 -
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Quote:Then that makes you overtly full of **** for pretending to not understand the mechanics.
Now I'm hurt.
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:You are not a community, you are a fleet within the community. I have certainly run against ISN fleets with 14 and 15 pilots in VG's, contesting sites when there were open sites.
14 and 15 pilots? Don't make me laugh. And yes, we're contesting sites when there are open sites. That's because ISN is all about the ISK/hr. But it's still not griefing.
Quote:I ran incursions daily till they nerfed VG's and still run assaults and HQ's for fun, not ISK per hour as missions tend to pay more these days. I paid direct attention to the main topic, as I am in TVP daily. I don't care if some people from TVP fly with ISN, most people in that fleet don't like ISN and complain about them daily. You try to paint me as an outsider looking in but you aren't in the channel in question, so YOU go back to WoW with your JR. High level logic.
Yes, many people in TVP complain about ISN, but the problem is they don't know anything about ISN. They just repeat what other people have said. And many in TVP are very gullible. |
BearJews
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:00:00 -
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ISN does grief, and i find it funny that you'd like to make a contract for a game. lol. Good luck with that |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
287
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:LilRemmy wrote:I sign to have all incursions moved to lowsec and 0.0.
Tada! WOW you NULL SECCerz are doing a GREAT JOB with them NULL Incursions, huh? Since the Escalation nerf not a single null/lo incursion has been killed by the players... they just stagnate & withdraw on thier own. So why should they be moved there when they are not being run? So us HI SEC pilots will come out & do your jobs for you I say if you guys in NULL/LO are not doing them, Incursions should all be moved to HI SEC along with the Revenant BPC drop why don't you go run the low/null ones?
Done a few before the Escalation nerf not not really any afterwards TBH... when I saw 3 lo/null incursions I would zoom out & do a scoutso Icould get the Concord liberation message but I have not seen lo/null Incursion liberation messagesince before the Escalation patch =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
29
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:07:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:TVP will never fly with ISN, because ISN are in fact griefers. I have no affiliation with the leadership of TVP, however all you have to do is stop by the in game channel and this will be confirmed repeatedly.
Of course your opinion should be noted since you post with an alt and give nothing more than fuel to a fire. Strange addiction you have.
Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much. |
Liadan Khanum
Dragon Armed Mercenary Escort Squadron
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:13:00 -
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An agreement that lessens strife between various communities is generally a good idea and if the various groups can find leaders who speak for them to agree to rules of behavior, well and good.
But what give you the right or authority to dictate terms to everyone else in EVE? If any other group for whatever reason (the incursion is in their home constellation, they have the numbers and experience to try it now, just to try something new and get a cool video, etc.) to tell them its not their turn and they need to wait until you find its the best time for you?
That's like saying that only the 'cool' kids (by your own definition of course) are the only one who can play on the swing set on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, then graciously allowing everyone else to play on them on Thursday, before starting all over again.
I know for sure that when incursions come to my constellation, I want it gone as soon as possible and would participate with whoever could make it go away the fastest. Shield fleet, Armor fleet, DPS or Logi, doesn't matter to me.
No on community owns eve (at least in hi-sec) , proposing an agreement that assumes you do is bound to fail. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
287
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:13:00 -
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In the spirit of handing ISN an olive branch I think TVP & TDF should agree to let ISN have the Enka constellation all to thier own with no interference whatsoever =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2372
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:36:00 -
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I have little doubt that this agreement will be fully embraced by all parties, and furthermore that it will be respected by the rest of the EVE community.
... no really...
.... seriously...
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4465
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:39:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Done a few before the Escalation nerf not really any afterwards TBH... when I saw 3 lo/null incursions I would zoom out & do a scoutso Icould get the Concord liberation message but I have not seen lo/null Incursion liberation message since before the Escalation patch. You make a good point though I'm thinking with the OTAs no longer being the PITA they were over the summer lo/NULL Incursions are worth it again. Epecially since in lo now you easily know if you are in a congested FW system from looking at the UI.
Considering that the sites are balanced around being run with faction-fit pirate BS with deadspace hardeners thanks to the hisec min/maxers, how many people do you think will bother with low/null incursions? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Don't think Ive ever heard of a HI SEC Incursion MOM fleet were all members are in the same corp... even the ones Brick & Goons had had peeps in the same alliance but not in same corp so if NINJA looters where shot Concord kill most in the fleetthat tried to scram them generally if that was the case there were enough dudes from any given corp to kill a ninja looter on one hand, hisec incursion runners have to deal with *gasp* suicide blackbirds and ninja looters while lowsec dudes had to deal with things like R&K cynos going up the moment the mothership was popped, gangs coming by looking for kills, gate rats and other such things naturally the hisec incursion runners are in need of more immunity
This is exactly why I think HS Incursions are unrealistic. Its like the Germans get in their head march on Paris and then the French decide to let civilian militias deal with the threat. It makes absolutely no sense.
Incursions should be a LS and a NPC Null thing only. Either that, or Concord doesn't defend HS during an incursion and it behaves like LS.
No matter what, the forums are not the place for this. Its illogical, well reasoned but illogical, in the grand scheme of things.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
~I fly spaceships~ |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:[quote=LilRemmy]I sign to have all incursions moved to lowsec and 0.0.
Tada! WOW you NULL SECCerz are doing a GREAT JOB with them NULL Incursions, huh? Since the Escalation nerf not a single null/lo incursion has been killed by the players... they just stagnate & withdraw on thier own. So why should they be moved there when they are not being run? So us HI SEC pilots will come out & do your jobs for you I say if you guys in NULL/LO are not doing them, Incursions should all be moved to HI SEC along with the Revenant BPC drop why don't you go run the low/null ones?
Why don't you?
Wait, wait, don't answer that. Its not easy farming while you're being shot at. No, its cool... I totally get it! 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
~I fly spaceships~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4466
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:27:00 -
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IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Why don't you? Wait, wait, don't answer that. Its not easy farming while you're being shot at. No, its cool... I totally get it!
believe it or not we used to run low/null incursions just fine until CCP decided to rework them around being run with ridiculous setups that nobody is going to fly outside of hisec
naturally they decided to do that instead of, you know, realizing that incursions in hisec are dumb as hell "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:11:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:TVP will never fly with ISN, because ISN are in fact griefers. I have no affiliation with the leadership of TVP, however all you have to do is stop by the in game channel and this will be confirmed repeatedly. Of course your opinion should be noted since you post with an alt and give nothing more than fuel to a fire. Strange addiction you have.
It took you longer to write that post than it would to verify what was posted. Fuel to the fire indeed. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
290
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:42:00 -
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Andski wrote: Considering that the sites are balanced around being run with faction-fit pirate BS with deadspace hardeners thanks to the hisec min/maxers, how many people do you think will bother with low/null incursions?
I think you are correct: the Escalation nerf was done to fix the hisec min/maxers and ABSOLUTELY KILLED THE LO/NULL SEC incursions.... further the OTA sites were so badly designed that thay had just about killed HI SEC VG's also. tHIS WAS screamed at ccp before Escalation's release from SiSi to TQ but they did not listen & sat on it after incursions flat lined for 2 months.
I did not realize how bad the HI to null/lo assault & HQ imbalance was until the escalation nerf I DOUBT THE DEVs did either & when they 'fixed the Vanguard 'imbalance' they ARSERAPED LO/NULL SEC INCURSIONS... I guess the only lo/null HQ & Assault sites run was the MOM site PRE-ESCALATION?
I want to get lo sec incursions going again but armour Incursion fleets are barely treading water with FC's burning out from keeping HI SEC incursions alive over the summer until the WALL OF OTA's was broken 2 weeks ago
PS: THANKS CCP DEVs for the VG's now paying out the correct amounts since the last patch. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
29
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:18:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:goldiiee wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:TVP will never fly with ISN, because ISN are in fact griefers. I have no affiliation with the leadership of TVP, however all you have to do is stop by the in game channel and this will be confirmed repeatedly. Of course your opinion should be noted since you post with an alt and give nothing more than fuel to a fire. Strange addiction you have. It took you longer to write that post than it would to verify what was posted. Fuel to the fire indeed. ...soundwave, the person you are quoting is an ISN runner and does in fact have it right. The number of pilots they use has been determined to be the optimal fleet composition as far as isk/hour is concerned. They know what they are doing. And calling a COMMUNITY (how is a channel with 100+ pilots in it just a "fleet") griefers without acknowledging the same kinds of things are said in the other channels and even over comms both in and out of fleet, or even understanding that forcing THE ENTIRE eve online high-sec incursion community to run around daily due to a squabble with another channel is the biggest grief ever, tells me you are very biased in opinion.
I've edited the first post on this thread to answer some statements I've read so far.
I've also changed the number of pilots required to be offered a slot in MOM rotation and included non-MOM site rules as number 2. Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
12
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Posted - 2012.08.28 11:12:00 -
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And how exactly do you enforce this?
If you wanted to role play most international treaties (pointless and unenforceable) you're doing pretty well. |
Sean Whedon
Samsara. VINNANA
29
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Posted - 2012.08.28 11:14:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
And how exactly do you enforce this?
If you wanted to role play most international treaties (pointless and unenforceable) you're doing pretty well.
the channel CEOs would enforce this. they already enforce something like this, but nothing is on paper or available for the public. and this is meant as a foundation, not the final article (which is why the title says signed and discussed). Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973
Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944 |
Haqar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.28 11:27:00 -
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Easiest way to solve this clusterfuck is all highsec mom's should be going down at 'withdrawl' and everyone that can form a fleet should be able to sit at the gate, go in and contest for the mom sites if they so please. No rotation, no bs anymore
There is one thing im missing in this soap
You cant tell anyone how to play their game |
Booby McBooby
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:09:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Ghazu wrote:No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it. Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye. Explain to me how ISN's shorter minutes spent per site slows things down for everyone?
ISN run with 10 DPS and 2 logi and make around 8.8m per site, And because they run with mainly 1400's and Tach's they cannot complete the NCO's... So they do 2 sites out of the 3 in Vanguards.
So they either waste time by moving to another system for NMC's and OTA's or they waste time refiiting, Or waste time hanging around at the sun.
Now other communites who run "optimal" will run 8 DPS and 2 logi meaning they earn 10.4m per site. And i know of 2-3 other VG communties that run around the same time as ISN and dont have to refit/more system because they run ALL sites.
ICU and SAQD for example run around 90 - 120m per hour depending how many OTA's they get in within that Hour. ISN however despite what they tell you are on around 70 - 90m Per Hour.
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Kodavor
Mine3
25
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:30:00 -
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Booby McBooby wrote:Ghazu wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Ghazu wrote:No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it. Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye. Explain to me how ISN's shorter minutes spent per site slows things down for everyone? ISN run with 10 DPS and 2 logi and make around 8.8m per site, And because they run with mainly 1400's and Tach's they cannot complete the NCO's... So they do 2 sites out of the 3 in Vanguards. So they either waste time by moving to another system for NMC's and OTA's or they waste time refiiting, Or waste time hanging around at the sun. Now other communites who run "optimal" will run 8 DPS and 2 logi meaning they earn 10.4m per site. And i know of 2-3 other VG communties that run around the same time as ISN and dont have to refit/more system because they run ALL sites. ICU and SAQD for example run around 90 - 120m per hour depending how many OTA's they get in within that Hour. ISN however despite what they tell you are on around 70 - 90m Per Hour.
2x Loki ( 5x720 + 5x fed web ) + Vindi (Rails) + 2x mach ( 1400's) + 2xMare ( Tachs) + 3x Pulses / 800's = 4 min OTA's , 5 min NMC's , 6 min NCO's . No swaping and no nothing . Granted all are ISN doctrine fits .
Results may vary depending on the FC's ability to compose the fleet . If any pilot feels that the FC is uderperforming he needs to mail his complain to ISN officers or management .
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Kodavor
Mine3
25
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:31:00 -
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Having said that, those of you who are not prive to what's been going on have written: 1. Too much politics, 2. Who are you to write this, 3. Incursions are unrealistic, 4. ISN are griefers, 5. TVP acts like they can run things. I will answer some of these now:
1. True. Why? The big name channels have enough of a pilot base to have free reign over almost every AS and HQ site, while also usually being the first group ready to "pop" the MOM. Initially, there was an agreement made out with rotations signed by most of the better-known communities. This agreement has since been broken and instead of trying to fix it, things were pushed further towards chaos. Everyday, high-sec incursion runner has been forced to pick up and move because it was decided that having only one high-sec incursion available at any given time would ensure certain communities would have little to no say. Supposedly, this would hurt the isk/hour ratio of the marked community. However, one of the last incursions had 6 of 9 top LP earners coming from that marked community, proving what is actually being accomplished is trolling and griefing every EVE Online incursion runner. This arguing and assumption needs to stop, as it now affects everyone.
2. Who I am to write this is a mature, non-biased pilot, with only the incursion public in mind. I have spoken directly to channel CEOs both involved and not involved to get an idea of the main issues they have witnessed.
3. Unrelated.
4 and 5. The few do not truly represent the whole.
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HIGH-SEC INCURSION RUNNERS COMMUNITY AGREEMENT (HIRCA)
0. INTRODUCTION TO CHANNELS: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP) - An Incursion Community focused on shield tanked ships. Accepts any and all pilots willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics. Intended for any shield focused pilot, without bias.
b. The Ditanian Fleet (TDF) - An Incursion Community focused on armor tanked ships. Also accepts any and all pilots willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics. Intended for any armor focused pilot, without bias.
c. Incursion Shiny Network (ISN) - An Incursion Community focused on shield tanked ships, with the addition of ISK Per Hour being the fundamental strategy. Accepts pilots capable of flying specific ships, fit in a specific way, for the sake of efficiency and speed. Must be willing to listen and learn, with regards to ship fits and fleet mechanics.
1. MOM ROTATION: a. The Valhalla Project (TVP), The Ditanian Fleet (TDF), Incursion Shiny Network (ISN), followed by "Community X." b. All MOM Rotation slots are subject to "Contest."
1a. COMMUNITY X: aa. Community X defined as any other willing Incursion Community with sufficient pilot numbers able to field a full SCOUT, VANGUARD, ASSAULT, and HEADQUARTERS fleet at the same time (roughly 70 pilots minimum) during their respective Incursion Community's Peak Playtime Hours.
1b. CONTEST: aa. If any Incursion Community is incapable of fielding a full MOM fleet (at least 60 pilots) by the designated "Courtesy Time Frame," a welcomed and acceptable Contest shall be allowed, which may include any and all EVE Online Communities capable of fielding a full MOM fleet, regardless of MOM Rotation.
1a. COURTESY TIME FRAME: aa. A Courtesy Time Frame of 10 - 12 hours after the Incursion site has began Withdrawing. This Courtesy Time Frame is to allow all the Incursion Community to move themselves to the next high-sec Incursion site. If no new high-sec Incursion site is available upon reaching Courtesy Time Frame, then Courtesy Time Frame will be pushed back until an available high-sec Incursion site spawns.
2. NON-MOM SITES: a. Non-Rotational free-for-all. Any EVE Online Incursion Community, despite Agreement signatory status. Contests are welcomed when done in Good Faith.
3. PROPAGANDA: a. All Incursion Communities must agree to use no forms of Propaganda to belittle, harass, misinform, disrespect, falsely accuse, or otherwise deface or defame any other Incursion Community.
4. BAN LISTS: a. Any and all Ban Lists must be updated to remove no longer necessary character names, corporations, and/or alliances; updated Ban Lists are to be made available as public domain.
5. NINJA LOOTERS AND GRIEFERS: a. All Incursion Communities (labeled "Incursion Runners Community," here on IRC) must cease and desist Ninja Looting MOM Site Drops and the overall Griefing of Incursion sites.
1a. Incursion Runners Community (IRC): aa. IRC is defined as all Incursion Communities willing and able to sign this Agreement, despite having the pilot numbers to gain a MOM Rotation slot.
ab. IRC should include a Panel of channel CEOs (labeled "Chief Executive Panel," here on CEP) which should also include Third Party "Civilian" members acting as their respective Community's Diplomat (labeled "Community 'Civilian' Diplomat," here on CCD).
1a. CCDs are to be chosen by either their respective Incursion Community as a whole or by IRC's CEP, in Good Faith. 1b. CCD's purpose is to help discuss and share view points which may be missed by IRCs CEP and be in no way biased toward any one community.
6. MOM SITE DROPS: a. MOM Site Drops are the sole property of the victors of MOM Site, which will be internally decided upon by the victor's Incursion Community CEOs as to how to handle MOM Site Drops, or by agreement of IRCs CEP, in Good Faith.
7. DECISION MAKING: a. No decisions can be made by any one Incursion Community, whether in Good Faith or not, without IRCs CEP being given the opportunity, with full Due-Diligence, to give opinion on the matter.[/quote]
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Sexy Cakes
Poasting
83
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
So heres a recap:
TVP talks ****.
ISN calls their bluff.
TVP lashes out by taking down mom early.
ISN still rapes them on LP.
TVP wants a treaty.
Confirming TVP is terrible. Not today spaghetti. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1306
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:59:00 -
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Hisec moms should be killed the moment they spawn
'non-incursion' pilots should form fleets regularly to do this just for the epic tears it generates My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:43:00 -
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I think you should keep in mind that if you intend on milking these Incursions, you are doing so at the expense of the rest of the community. Incursions are very disruptive to the people that live in those systems, and prolonging the event will not be received well.
I would suggest you focus on completing them quickly, otherwise the community make take these decisions out of your hands. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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