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Vierego	Posted - 2011.03.12 05:20:00 - [1] So, if you are in high sec and running missions, there is absolutely no reason not to salvage. It just requires a second account, and is free. When you go to plex your account for your month, instead plexing your main, recruit a friend. then plex the trial account. Your main now has a free month, and you have an alt for 51 days. Train him in a noctis and bring him along to sensor booster you for incresed dps and loot missions. Congratulations. I buy mission loot in bulk at above buy order prices! (sinq laison)
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.03.12 05:27:00 - [2] The skillbooks cost isk, and the character could be doing other things in the same time...
Vierego	Posted - 2011.03.12 05:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Loraine Gess The skillbooks cost isk, and the character could be doing other things in the same time... It cost 1.4 million, and maybe look 200k for the other misc. that is 1.6 million. You can make that back in one salvage journey. And ten you can transfer the noctis to your next alt. What else, in 51 days can you do that takes as little effort as nocxing, that can be as profitable? I buy mission loot in bulk at above buy order prices! (sinq laison)
Straight Edged	Posted - 2011.03.12 06:02:00 - [4] ill prove you wrong mathematically Why there is no reason to salvage, unless ur using a marauder/high utilities. Now let n be the number of accounts. If n=1, Then say a mission runner makes 100m isk/hour, Then for n=1, there is no combination of mission running and salvaging, such that isk/hour > 100m Now say n=2. Then lets say a mission runner makes 100m isk/hour Then for n=2, there is still no combination of n=2 mission running/salvaging, such that isk/hour > 200 , which is 2 mission runner alts. Now let n=A Then lets say a mission runner makes K isk/hour Then for n=A, there is no combination n=A of mission running/salvaging, such that isk/hour > 100*K, ie, A mission runner alts. for any A>0 So for the number of accounts more then zero, i have proven that, there is no reason to waste your attention salvaging, unless you are salvaging WHILE missioning.
Vak Keelin Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.12 07:09:00 - [5] Interesting. I have been doing lvl 3 missions and will soon be duel boxing LvL 4's with a combat alt. When you say 100m/hour are you blitzing with minimal ships destroyed just to achieve mission goals or are you killing everything ongrid and looting but not salvaging? Right now I loot salvage everything and it SEEMS like I am maknig more form that and bounties then I am from goals. Perhaps that will change when I get into lvl 4's?
Joe Forum Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.12 13:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Straight Edged Edited by: Straight Edged on 12/03/2011 06:05:55 ill prove you wrong mathematically ... So for the number of accounts more then zero, i have proven that, there is no reason to waste your attention salvaging, unless you are salvaging WHILE missioning. You could just say you can't see a salvager making up to 100m isk /hour.
Sjugar	Posted - 2011.03.12 13:49:00 - [7] Whether or not to salvage depends largely on how fast you are able to run missions. Salvaging has a pretty set amound of ISK/hour so if you're skills are low and you slowboat through lvl 4 missions it's very much worth it. If you go through missions really really fast then it's more viable to do another mission then salvage.
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2011.03.12 14:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Vierego So, if you are in high sec and running missions, there is absolutely no reason not to salvage. It just requires a second account, and is free. Yet the topic was "If you are running Missions solo, there is no reason NOT to salvage." If you use more than one account, you are not solo. It works with dual acc. but that is not true solo. And like ppl say, that alt could (eventually) be doing more profitable things. All you are saying is: chain-abuse RaF. Which is a recipe for getting it nerfed and restrictions placed on it.
VE3DVY Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.12 16:22:00 - [9] No reason? What if your computer can't run two clients at once due to outdated hardware? That's at least one reason.
Starshi	Posted - 2011.03.12 17:30:00 - [10] Edited by: Starshi on 12/03/2011 17:29:55 Originally by: Straight Edged Edited by: Straight Edged on 12/03/2011 06:05:55 So for the number of accounts more then zero, i have proven that, there is no reason to waste your attention salvaging, unless you are salvaging WHILE missioning. I salvage with second, while i'm shooting at ships and its a lot better if i just leave the salvage behind.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.12 17:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Vierego So, if you are in high sec and running missions, there is absolutely no reason not to salvage. It just requires a second account, and is free. When you go to plex your account for your month, instead plexing your main, recruit a friend. then plex the trial account. Your main now has a free month, and you have an alt for 51 days. Train him in a noctis and bring him along to sensor booster you for incresed dps and loot missions. Congratulations. Your account get the bonus time when your friend purchase a subscription, plex doesn't count, so no, it wouldn't work.
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2011.03.12 19:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Goose99 Your account get the bonus time when your friend purchase a subscription, plex doesn't count, so no, it wouldn't work. Plex DOES count. I just did it the other day to get another research slave.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.12 19:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Linda Flamewalker Originally by: Goose99 Your account get the bonus time when your friend purchase a subscription, plex doesn't count, so no, it wouldn't work. Plex DOES count. I just did it the other day to get another research slave. Ugg, I'll have to file a petition later.
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.12 23:34:00 - [14] Edited by: Kesshisan on 12/03/2011 23:34:44 Why don't you ask someone to salvage the wrecks for you? Once you're done (throw them a bookmark) and ask them to share the profits with you. Any profit bonus they give you will be a pure gain. If you make N isk per hour running missions and someone salvaging makes M isk per hour, and they give you 50% of it, your profits are now N + (1/2)M isk per hour. This is going to be more than N isk per hour. Of course you run the risk of them giving you nothing, but in that case you lost only a few minutes of time. Eventually you will find someone willing to share the profits with you, and at that point you make your N + (1/2)M isk per hour.
Maverick2011	Posted - 2011.03.13 00:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Kesshisan Edited by: Kesshisan on 12/03/2011 23:34:44 Why don't you ask someone to salvage the wrecks for you? Once you're done (throw them a bookmark) and ask them to share the profits with you. Any profit bonus they give you will be a pure gain. If you make N isk per hour running missions and someone salvaging makes M isk per hour, and they give you 50% of it, your profits are now N + (1/2)M isk per hour. This is going to be more than N isk per hour. Of course you run the risk of them giving you nothing, but in that case you lost only a few minutes of time. Eventually you will find someone willing to share the profits with you, and at that point you make your N + (1/2)M isk per hour. Ask someone to salvage for you, when he is full you kill him, grab your hauler and sore into a station. Find a new victim do the same.
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.13 02:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Maverick2011 Ask someone to salvage for you, when he is full you kill him, grab your hauler and sore into a station. Find a new victim do the same. I never undock in anything that doesn't have tank unless I plan to lose it. I don't plan to lose my Noctis, thus it always comes tanked. Even with only a single shield extender my Noctis has over 8k - 10k EHP depending on expanded cargoholds. Though, I usually have 2x shield extenders and some armor on it too, increasing the EHP to something much larger. That trick may work with somebody else, but not with me. Though you're welcome to try. With that said, let me know when you do a bunch of L4s near Dodixie, I'll gladly come salvage it for you. :)
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.13 03:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Maverick2011 Originally by: Kesshisan Edited by: Kesshisan on 12/03/2011 23:34:44 Why don't you ask someone to salvage the wrecks for you? Once you're done (throw them a bookmark) and ask them to share the profits with you. Any profit bonus they give you will be a pure gain. If you make N isk per hour running missions and someone salvaging makes M isk per hour, and they give you 50% of it, your profits are now N + (1/2)M isk per hour. This is going to be more than N isk per hour. Of course you run the risk of them giving you nothing, but in that case you lost only a few minutes of time. Eventually you will find someone willing to share the profits with you, and at that point you make your N + (1/2)M isk per hour. Ask someone to salvage for you, when he is full you kill him, grab your hauler and sore into a station. Find a new victim do the same. One mission worth of salvage isn't worth price of a gank boat by a long shot. Or did you mean gank a corpie?
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.03.13 10:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Maverick2011 Originally by: Kesshisan Edited by: Kesshisan on 12/03/2011 23:34:44 Why don't you ask someone to salvage the wrecks for you? Once you're done (throw them a bookmark) and ask them to share the profits with you. Any profit bonus they give you will be a pure gain. If you make N isk per hour running missions and someone salvaging makes M isk per hour, and they give you 50% of it, your profits are now N + (1/2)M isk per hour. This is going to be more than N isk per hour. Of course you run the risk of them giving you nothing, but in that case you lost only a few minutes of time. Eventually you will find someone willing to share the profits with you, and at that point you make your N + (1/2)M isk per hour. Ask someone to salvage for you, when he is full you kill him, grab your hauler and sore into a station. Find a new victim do the same. One mission worth of salvage isn't worth price of a gank boat by a long shot. Or did you mean gank a corpie? It's fun to do that, sometimes ?
Ira Infernus	Posted - 2011.03.14 01:50:00 - [19] There is reason not to salvage, and thats called mission blitzing. Where you grind up LP for high value LP store goods as fast as possible and sell them off. TBH I only make slightly more when I salvage compared to when I go pure gank, and blitzing isnt as tedious as salvaging. One way of doing it is to just blitz missions for about 3-4 hours, bookmark all the sites, then either drop the bm's to an alt or you warp back in your salvage boat (this works well as it gives you a break from missions, and toward the end of the night alot of people do nothing while they could be doing this)
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.14 05:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Ira Infernus blitz missions for about 3-4 hours, Wrecks only stay in space for 120 minutes before poofing.
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.14 11:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Vierego So, if you are in high sec and running missions, there is absolutely no reason not to salvage. It just requires a second account, and is free. When you go to plex your account for your month, instead plexing your main, recruit a friend. then plex the trial account. Your main now has a free month, and you have an alt for 51 days. Train him in a noctis and bring him along to sensor booster you for incresed dps and loot missions. Congratulations. Counterpoint: doing that takes work, and I can't be bothered. If I'm missioning I like the "semi" part of "semi AFK" to be as large as possible. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.03.14 12:31:00 - [22] If you're still missioning for income then I suggest you find another route for isk wealth. They are out there and they more than double isk/hour income over missioning with mature skills. If you're intent on running the same missions ad nauseum then obviously you're lacking some intellectual quality similar to the qualities that make most other humans not play with their poo. Here is some advice, anyway. If you can run missions in ~30 minutes.....it's not worth your time to salvage. Blitz it, get the high bounty ships and turn it in for the next one. If you happen to have two free highslots for tractor and salvager, then salvage what is in your reach but do not waste your time chasing after a wreck. If on the other hand it is taking you an hour or two, then it is completely worth your time to salvage the mission site.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.03.14 12:49:00 - [23] salvaging is a waste of time now on most missions, in terms of isk per hour you'd be better off running another mission with that alt than salvaging with it
Perramas Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:43:00 - [24] I salvage depending on the NPC pirate faction and the mission. Gurista/Gisti I wont waste my time on, Serpentis and Angels depends on the mission and the Blood Raiders/Sansha I almost always salvage.
Chubrub Soza Innovations	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:50:00 - [25] do you find that blood raiders/sansha rats are worth salvaging? thats an interesting one... currently i only salvage AE and WC (angels vs sansha, blitz angels side only), but even then thats becoming rarer now, its only when im bored usually. but missions like vengeance have a lot of ships that could be alright to salvage sometimes if sansha stuff is worth salvaging. For all your faction and standing gain needs: SOZA INNOVATIONS can help you! Fast and effective standing gain at great prices.
Yurij Sobeit	Posted - 2011.03.14 15:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Chubrub do you find that blood raiders/sansha rats are worth salvaging? thats an interesting one... currently i only salvage AE and WC (angels vs sansha, blitz angels side only), but even then thats becoming rarer now, its only when im bored usually. but missions like vengeance have a lot of ships that could be alright to salvage sometimes if sansha stuff is worth salvaging. Dunno for Sancha's but imo Blood raiders are definitively worth it. Even in L3s they drop tons of armor plates.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.14 15:18:00 - [27] Here's the thing, it totally depends on several factors. You can make more blitzing certain missions for certain agents even with 1 account vs. 2(running + slavaging). It takes about 12 mil a day to buy a plex, you should be able to make 12 mil an hour salvaging 4's easy.
Skorpynekomimi Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.14 20:15:00 - [28] Why bother with a second account? You only really need a few skills to fly a salvage fit.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.14 20:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Skorpynekomimi Why bother with a second account? You only really need a few skills to fly a salvage fit. because you can run 2 accounts at the same time which is faster (and thus more profitable) than switching ships and doing it all with one char. but hey, what mal said, semi afk ftw!
KurnKuku Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.14 21:38:00 - [30] Edited by: KurnKuku on 14/03/2011 21:41:41 You could also just buddy account a toon for yourself, then train that new toon and sell him on the character bazaar after the 51 days. Is the same price to you as just plexing your own account. Obviously you would have to pay for the transfer, 2 x plex, but might be able to make a profit from it, I have not checked there in a while to see what low SP toons are going for.

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