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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vile rat No I know what the term means, I'm just kinda curious why you feel you need to make your point using racial epithets and ad hominem attacks.
I hardly think a member of goonswarm should be lecturing anyone about ad hominem attacks.
Then why give myself, a member of Goonswarm, valid cause to criticize you for doing exactly that?
You don't have valid cause. As usual you are simply trolling.
So you're denying you used a racial epithet and ad hominem attacks to disparage a former CSM delegate?
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:29:00 -
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Ah, so its ok to use epithets to describe goons in a serious manner.
Out of curiosity, do you also RP as Emily Post in your internet chat brothel?
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Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/03/2011 15:15:30
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar I'm guessing it'll never be an issue, but if you ever do come into 0.0, when you don't die to an AoE doomsday, or find yourself paying rent to an alliance almost blatantly bankrolled and supported by corrupt GMs and developers you can reflect upon this statement.k? bye.
Well AoE doomsdays were quite annoying of course, but then again so now are uniform SuperCarrier blobs. I think its fair to say goons had very little to do with improving the play balance in 0.0. Remember I met Bane Glorious face to face (who was the vaunted goon supercap thinker) and he could barely string two words together on the CSM and preferred to do his edgy 19 year old wigga impressions to the developers rather than present much input to ongoing debate. Fairest thing to say about that guy was that he was a non-event.
As for the developer corruption scandal. We all know the story. A GM cheated and got caught, should have been fired but wasn't. CCP cleared house and instituted some pretty firm inhouse rules that may well have led to a cure that was worse than the ailment.
Allow me to explain. Sure, you had a GM cheating for BOB, he spawned BPOs that were not meant to be there. Rather than just firing the guy and putting him on a boat to Florida so he could seek work with the Bush dynasty in electoral reform they slapped him on the hands and instituted what became a collective punishment for their current and future staff (and us).
How's that? Well, rules ensuring that eve developers cannot play a meaningful role in alliance politics, 0.0 wars, endgame content etc etc. Can have no other long-term impact than to alienate and distance such play experience from the developers we are counting on fixing it.
By making the betrayal of one hired guy (GM) and sections of the Aurora (volunteer) team influence their approach to hyper-strict separation of work and play experience there has (in my view) been an impact, and that can be see in recent years with CCP seeming to lose touch with the concerns of the player base, and lose the thread of whats important in their game world.
Now sure. Thats one of the things that CSM is supposed to help fix.
But Goon candidates (in my experience) tend to be pretty long on forum noise and froth and very short on delivery. You guys are great at stoking up rage threads on the forums that lead to CCP knee-jerking and stopping all devs from playing the game in a meaningful way. And you are pretty good at inspiring rage-threads that stop Doomsday weapons taking out your fleet of rifters (again) to your benefit.
But now we have a pretty damned static and boring 0.0 thats haunted by supercarriers and riddled with jump-bridges for quick logistics and you happen to be in with the current aristocracy there.
Where are the rage threads now? There aren't any because you like things the way they are and your candidates are running to tell the developers than 0.0 is fine in you meaty hands.
But lets not forget than any time any of us lament the fact the devs seems a bit "clueless" about this or that aspect of the 0.0 or alliance experience a big reason for that lack of knowledge was the hue and cry you guys pursued to punish that first cheating GM that pushed beyond appropriate punishment for the person in the wrong and had an impact on the overall collective knowledge of game developers in Eve for the proceeding years.
Speaking of forum noise,
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin Ah, so its ok to use epithets to describe goons in a serious manner. Out of curiosity, do you also RP as Emily Post in your internet chat brothel?
Can you explain what you are talking about there?
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Fuujin Ah, so its ok to use epithets to describe goons in a serious manner. Out of curiosity, do you also RP as Emily Post in your internet chat brothel?
Can you explain what you are talking about there?
Can you clarify your position re: Ad hom attacks and racially tinged insults? I'm curious what exactly you mean by calling him a 'wigga'. I'm sure we would all appreciate a more in depth explanation of your point.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/03/2011 15:45:10
Originally by: Vile rat
Can you clarify your position re: Ad hom attacks and racially tinged insults? I'm curious what exactly you mean by calling him a 'wigga'. I'm sure we would all appreciate a more in depth explanation of your point.
Whilst I'm sure the general readership of this forum would prefer you to address the specific points made in my earlier post that you are conveniently running away from behind a smokescreen of dishonest evasion and wriggling.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/03/2011 15:45:10
Originally by: Vile rat
Can you clarify your position re: Ad hom attacks and racially tinged insults? I'm curious what exactly you mean by calling him a 'wigga'. I'm sure we would all appreciate a more in depth explanation of your point.
Whilst I'm sure the general readership of this forum would prefer you to address the specific points made in my earlier post that you are conveniently running away from behind a smokescreen of dishonest evasion and wriggling.
I fear you neglected to have made a point, aside from your bigoted and hateful compulsive desire to attack other posters. If you want to get involved in the debate, who's outcome could have real impact on gameplay for all involved, that's great. The more voices we have involved in this discussion from all gameplay styles the better, and the CSM has room to accommodate all types of gameplay from the Empire mission runner to the 0.0 empire builder. I represent one of those voices from one gameplay style but I have an interest in seeing all improve because I truly feel all elements tie into each other.
I even welcome your voice to the discussion but I fear posting walls of text that basically say "don't trust any individual from this alliance despite their platform, gameplay views, or campaign message" which I feel doesn't add anything substantive to the discussion, hurts the debate many who are truly interested in this conversation feel is necessary in order to make the best decision. It's a voice certain enough, but a caustic voice that I don't feel represents the desire of the eve community to come together and find a way to fix this game that we all acknowledge needs a lot of work.
If you looked past your personal prejudices about which alliance an individual was from you'd make comments discussing, criticizing, or supporting individual points CSM delegates have made regarding gameplay changes we'd like to champion or deficiencies we'd want to attack.
As a former CSM delegate you bring a lot to the table in this discussion, I just wish you were using your role in a more constructive manner.
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Gulliver X
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:10:00 -
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whole lotta mad people itt
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rate
I fear you neglected to have made a point...
I think it is more likely that your own prejudice and insularity (arising as it does quite naturally from your role as spokesman for an extremely inward-looking gaming cult) does not allow you to see any point made by non-goon supporters.
That is why you find it so easy to ignore the points I make here and sweep anything potentially embarrassing under the carpet in the hope that the discordant yelping and bleating of your fellows will hide the evidence behind miasmic smog.
But the problem is there is scant room for discussion between you and I Vile Rat. We both know what this election is about as we both know what the role of goonswarm in Eve online is about. Having met my share of past Goon candidates my expectations were fully confirmed and seeing what you and your running mate have said about the rest of eve in the context of these current elections there isnĘt much left to mystery.
You will win a seat on the backs of the minor goon cultists. All we stake in this game of words now is the handful of votes that you might con from the witless and the unwary with the mask of apparent civility in the moments between genuine slips.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vile rate
I fear you neglected to have made a point...
I think it is more likely that your own prejudice and insularity (arising as it does quite naturally from your role as spokesman for an extremely inward-looking gaming cult) does not allow you to see any point made by non-goon supporters.
I promise you a direct answer to whichever point you'd like addressed if you would be so kind as to state them clearly and concisely. I sincerely did not see a point raised aside from a blanket attack on a group based on your interaction with a small handful.
I'll choose to look past your racial comments for the time being since you refuse to address them :)
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Whilst I'm sure the general readership of this forum would prefer you to address the specific points made in my earlier post...
Ah Jade, still eternally optimistic that people read past the first paragraph in your rambling blocks of bad posting. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
I promise you a direct answer to whichever point you'd like addressed...
Do you not see a contradiction between the positions you expressed in your campaign thread (speaking on problems with stasis in 0.0 and the essentially boring nature of the current powerbloc stagnation) and the organized goon/nc plan to fill the CSM with seats opposed to any kind of progressive or constructive alteration to 0.0 sovereignty mechanics?
Do you accept that the earlier poster (in this thread) who was attempting to laud the achievements of Goon representatives in achieving positive change in supercapital balance was over-exaggerating the role played by Bane Glorious in CSM1?
Do you accept that the current situation with complete supercapital saturation in 0.0 warfare makes a mockery to earlier claims of resolving this issue in any form whatsoever?
Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far and rather than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer ended up making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way and is a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
And lastly.
Are you prepared to tell me that you would support specific measures outlined by CCP that would limit, impact, restrict, or otherwise hurt Goonswarm interests in their 0.0 holdings?
(feel free to provide an example)
Would you for example, support the restriction or removal of jumpbridges? Would you support a means of making passive moon income open to intediction by small pvp groups? Would you support measures that stop "huge fleets at single points" from being the one and only measure of power in 0.0 territorial contests?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:03:00 -
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holy **** jade "really bad at eve online" is unaware of how to interdict moon mining income with small gangs
you attack the POS you moron
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:05:00 -
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like seriously how goddamned stupid are you everyone who knows what a moon is knows how to do that
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Vile rat
I promise you a direct answer to whichever point you'd like addressed...
Do you not see a contradiction between the positions you expressed in your campaign thread (speaking on problems with stasis in 0.0 and the essentially boring nature of the current powerbloc stagnation) and the organized goon/nc plan to fill the CSM with seats opposed to any kind of progressive or constructive alteration to 0.0 sovereignty mechanics?
No, because there is no organized goon/nc plan to fill the CSM with seats opposed to any kind of progressive or constructive alteration to 0.0 sovereignty mechanics.
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Do you accept that the earlier poster (in this thread) who was attempting to laud the achievements of Goon representatives in achieving positive change in supercapital balance was over-exaggerating the role played by Bane Glorious in CSM1?
I'm not running as a 'goon' I'm running as a candidate for CSM. I trust my platform will be judged on its merits and not some kind of blanket attack on an in game corporation/alliance I happen to be a member of. Whatever your personal squabbles with a previous CSM delegate were about I don't see how it is germane to any discussion regarding the future of the game and a persons qualifications to be worthy of votes.
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Do you accept that the current situation with complete supercapital saturation in 0.0 warfare makes a mockery to earlier claims of resolving this issue in any form whatsoever?
Death to all supercaps. I've made my position clear on this subject.
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Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far and rather than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer ended up making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way and is a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
I reject your loaded question. It is invalid.
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And lastly.
Are you prepared to tell me that you would support specific measures outlined by CCP that would limit, impact, restrict, or otherwise hurt Goonswarm interests in their 0.0 holdings?
(feel free to provide an example)
Absolutely yes. Emphatically yes.
We are rich. As an alliance Goonwarm Federation is stupidly rich. We are literally reimbursing all ships lost, both in fleet fights and out, just because we happen to have the one moon that is the chokepoint in manufacturing right now (Technetium). CCP's vaunted economic representative did not do a good job predicting the telegraphed glut coming and has reacted with all the speed of a stunned snail to see the manufacturing process dynamically balanced after the mistake occured. We all fully acknowledge the problem and want it fixed so economic scarcity isn't completely eliminated by one bloc. I want our losses to hurt, I want our enemies losses to hurt and if they don't hurt then winning is damn near meaningless.
I'd also be highly receptive to the concept of a sovereignty system that made sov more difficult the further from a 'center' of government it is. The concept of a large amount of smaller empires fighting over space is fun, the concept of what game mechanics encourage under current game design is decidedly not fun.
Platform positions held by somebody who wants to maintain the status quo? I don't think so but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it.
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Would you for example, support the restriction or removal of jumpbridges? Would you support a means of making passive moon income open to intediction by small pvp groups? Would you support measures that stop "huge fleets at single points" from being the one and only measure of power in 0.0 territorial contests?
No, Kinda, Yes.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:09:00 -
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or you could login a cultist to type rubbish on the thread. either way works for me ...
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:17:00 -
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attacking miner pos isn't 'pos warfare' in the old sense of the term, and small gangs can easily incap small miners
for deathstar miners you can easily incap it quicky with a small gang, just not a small hac gang - just ask evoke or PL
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:20:00 -
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>>I reject your loaded question. It is invalid.
lets break it down then:
Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far and rather than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer ended up making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way ... ?
... and is a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
Let me be clear. I do think that the Goon/K thinkers at the time saw a golden opportunity to leverage the misconduct of a developer into an ingame victory over thousands of rival players and were not content to allow an inhouse resolution of the issue and kept pressing and pressing until CCP felt obliged to remove significant content in 0.0 wars from the experience of its development team.
I do believe this is one of the reasons why eve has floundered these past years because if you don't have developers actually playing in nullsec wars and operating the alliance management screens how do you expect them to gain the experience needed to improve things?
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
>>I reject your loaded question. It is invalid.
lets break it down then:
Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far and rather than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer ended up making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way ... ?
... and is a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
Let me be clear. I do think that the Goon/K thinkers at the time saw a golden opportunity to leverage the misconduct of a developer into an ingame victory over thousands of rival players and were not content to allow an inhouse resolution of the issue and kept pressing and pressing until CCP felt obliged to remove significant content in 0.0 wars from the experience of its development team.
I do believe this is one of the reasons why eve has floundered these past years because if you don't have developers actually playing in nullsec wars and operating the alliance management screens how do you expect them to gain the experience needed to improve things?
I'm sorry you reworded the question to be just as invalid and self serving as the original. If you ask a non loaded question I'd be happy to answer it.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Weaselior like seriously how goddamned stupid are you everyone who knows what a moon is knows how to do that
You should calm down and have a nice cup of tea. You are not the font of all knowledge in Eve. There are much better players than you who are far more accomplished in aspects of the game you will never experience. Accept this truth and your soul will rest easier.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:29:00 -
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Okay mr Rat lets break it down even more.
1. Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far?
2. Did this witchhunt go further than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer?
3. Did the the outcome have the collateral consequence of making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way ... ?
4. Do you admit that banning developers from highend content and involvement in alliance politics has been a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
And again.
Let me be clear.
I do think that the Goon/K thinkers at the time saw a golden opportunity to leverage the misconduct of a developer into an ingame victory over thousands of rival players and were not content to allow an inhouse resolution of the issue and kept pressing and pressing until CCP felt obliged to remove significant content in 0.0 wars from the experience of its development team.
I do believe this is one of the reasons why eve has floundered these past years because if you don't have developers actually playing in nullsec wars and operating the alliance management screens how do you expect them to gain the experience needed to improve things?
I hope breaking up the question a little more will help you to answer it honestly now Vile Rat.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay mr Rat lets break it down even more.
1. Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far?
2. Did this witchhunt go further than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer?
3. Did the the outcome have the collateral consequence of making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way ... ?
4. Do you admit that banning developers from highend content and involvement in alliance politics has been a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
And again.
Let me be clear.
I do think that the Goon/K thinkers at the time saw a golden opportunity to leverage the misconduct of a developer into an ingame victory over thousands of rival players and were not content to allow an inhouse resolution of the issue and kept pressing and pressing until CCP felt obliged to remove significant content in 0.0 wars from the experience of its development team.
I do believe this is one of the reasons why eve has floundered these past years because if you don't have developers actually playing in nullsec wars and operating the alliance management screens how do you expect them to gain the experience needed to improve things?
I hope breaking up the question a little more will help you to answer it honestly now Vile Rat.
What does this have anything to do with the CSM? Make a CAOD thread if you want to discuss that. Do you actually have a platform question or something even remotely CSM to discuss or are you just posting here to troll?
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I hardly think a member of goonswarm should be lecturing anyone about ad hominem attacks.
The word is "wigger", not "wigga", that's because it's an ethnic slur alleging that a white person is acting like a "n-----". It's pretty filthy when the insults you throw around are "he's acting like a black person!" And by the way, what you just wrote is the result of the fallacies of composition and division. In other words, the foundation of every form of prejudice, bigotry and racism that's festering out there.
You're not coming off real well in this exchange.
Originally by: Jade Constantine an extremely inward-looking gaming cult [...] minor goon cultists.
See, this is what I meant, you're sounding like a crazy(er) person. They're a bunch of folks who post on the same forum on the 'net and then play video games as a group. That you're describing them as a cult is just disturbing.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:39:00 -
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I'll get back to this thread in a minute, I have to go sacrifice a goat.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:40:00 -
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That's exactly what a [person of your ethnicity] would say due to your [ethnic stereotype]. I knew it! ------------------------------------------------
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Weaselior like seriously how goddamned stupid are you everyone who knows what a moon is knows how to do that
You should calm down and have a nice cup of tea. You are not the font of all knowledge in Eve. There are much better players than you who are far more accomplished in aspects of the game you will never experience. Accept this truth and your soul will rest easier.
so jade i'm still waiting to hear your defense of your absurdly stupid comment
what aspect of moon mining did you not understand
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/03/2011 17:47:24
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay mr Rat lets break it down even more.
1. Do you accept that the Goon/K forum witchhunt against "corrupt developers" went too far?
2. Did this witchhunt go further than seeking the appropriate and just punishment of one cheating developer?
3. Did the the outcome have the collateral consequence of making CCP terrified to allow any of its developers to actually play the game in a substantive way ... ?
4. Do you admit that banning developers from highend content and involvement in alliance politics has been a contributing factor these last years to the increasingly alienated and distant impression we get of developers from the core game of eve online?
And again.
Let me be clear.
I do think that the Goon/K thinkers at the time saw a golden opportunity to leverage the misconduct of a developer into an ingame victory over thousands of rival players and were not content to allow an inhouse resolution of the issue and kept pressing and pressing until CCP felt obliged to remove significant content in 0.0 wars from the experience of its development team.
I do believe this is one of the reasons why eve has floundered these past years because if you don't have developers actually playing in nullsec wars and operating the alliance management screens how do you expect them to gain the experience needed to improve things?
I hope breaking up the question a little more will help you to answer it honestly now Vile Rat.
What does this have anything to do with the CSM? Make a CAOD thread if you want to discuss that. Do you actually have a platform question or something even remotely CSM to discuss or are you just posting here to troll?
Well mr Rat. I look at my alliance management screen, my corp interface and I notice it hasn't been updated for 5 years. I'm still running my alliance on a terrible UI that reminds me of an unoptimized excel spreadsheet left as legacy "documentation" on some awful client site.
And I wonder why it has been allowed to linger in the dust, unloved and untouched for so long? When the eve literature and marketing material speaks of the importance of these space corporations and alliances and the intrigues between them why is this core part of the game so utterly reminding of abandonware from the golden age of windows 3.1?
So I ask the question (which you have many times now failed to answer despite promising me an "honest" response) do you think your player organization has some responsibility for scaring CCP into barring their developers from endgame content and the alliance game?
Are you prepared to admit to me that Goon/K witchhunts against cheating devs went too far and triggered a CCP kneejerk that prevented them experiencing an ongoing and fertile relationship with aspects of the game itself?
It isn't a wild out of the blue question Vile Rat. Your organization likes to trumpet its victory over the dev corruption-rife band of brothers alliance to any internet news site that will listen. You have dined out on that accomplishment for years now.
All I want from you is an admission (or denial) in your words that the witchunt against cheating devs may have gone too far and caused CCP to ban its developers from playing certain parts of the game with the consequence that we are still running our in-game organizations on a 5+ year old interface that has never been iterated, improved, optimized or given the slightest sight of a progressive workover.
Sometimes admitting fault is the first step to gaining an inkling of respect Vile Rat.
Or (as I suspect) are you too much indebted to the collective idols of your organization to risk giving voice to the opinion that a mistake was made?
Either way I am interested to hear your response.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you prepared to admit to me that Goon/K witchhunts against cheating devs went too far and triggered a CCP kneejerk that prevented them experiencing an ongoing and fertile relationship with aspects of the game itself?
Topic for honest debate: Goons, threat... or menace?
Do you really not realize the fallacies your argument is built on, Jade?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:51:00 -
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Shush, I was talking to the organ-grinder not the monkeys.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sometimes admitting fault is the first step to gaining an inkling of respect Vile Rat.
hint hint
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