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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:43:00 -
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After returning from some months away I am able to look at EVE with a somewhat new set of eyes and see just what is it about this game that needs help.
First, this post is directed to all free thinkers with open minds. if you are the addict, caught in the MMO bad marriage but just cant leave because youÆve invested too much time and money, or you're thinking of the kids or you are the Al-Qaida type that will die for EVE because she may provide virgins in paradise for you...then click on, this post is not for you.
Reasonable minds need only apply here.
There is something seriously lacking here in EVE.....I'll call it "Fun" for lack of a better term.
For those that have got there definitions mixed up "Grind" does not necessarily equal "Fun" and all extra-gaming events and commodities like fanfest and T-shirts do not necessarily make up for whatever is lacking in EVE. They just serve as distractions to the problem donÆt you do think? I mean even the old Soviet Union put on some pretty good parades and breast pounding speeches and we all know where they are now. Right?
First: The Sandbox theory.
The Sandbox is where you go to play. You make what you want with your imagination and with the sand. Problem: This particular sandbox has strange rules.
1. You canÆt use things that make the sand fun like plastic cups to build blocks of sand. (IÆll explain this later) 2. You cant re-enforce you sand creations with cinder-blocks hidden in the sand to keep the local bully from bulldozing you to the ground just for grins. (Items allowed in null-sec are not allowed in hi-sec). Seems, the only protection you have is the company of others and whatever arrangements you make with them. Mind you, they are not very reliable either. 3. If you want special sand to build more (special) things you have to go mine it, but then again the bullies may not allow you peacefully. 4. In this sand box, gang **** is permissible.
So it's not really an organized sandbox, but more of an uncontrolled prison yard IMO. There is no play, just survival and the two arenÆt necessarily the same. When two players face each other and play chess, they take turns removing their opponents pieces until there is a victor. That is chess play. In EVE you have two players facing each other playing chess, one smacks the boards away, pieces falling to the ground then kicks you in the face...and they win at chess, EVE style.
You see the same thugs month after month hanging out at the door way, scanning you time and time again as you walk through...and there is not a damn thing you can do about it without the long complicated effort of a war-dec. Take a punch at him and you lose standing, and concord is on your ass. Yet, he can take a swipe at you and his orbiting cronies will be there to pick up the pieces of your ship and cargo as you limp away helpless.
The taxes you pay for your NPC corp are useless as your NPC corp provides absolutely no services to you in the way of protection what-so-ever (these are the plastic cups not allowed in the sand-box) You cant hire an NPC members to escort you (real or otherwise), or help you mine or even set up a gate camp.
The "civilized" aspects of this prison yard such as business, stocks, finance are one-existent. There is no central stock exchange. There is no central bank. May as well do away with insurance pay-offs too donÆt you think?
(cont)
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Omni on 14/03/2011 21:45:36 Edited by: Neo Omni on 14/03/2011 21:45:18
GamePlay vs Improvements (or) will a pop-o-matic hurt Monopoly?
Everyone at one time or another has played the board game Monopoly. Everyone as rolled the dice. Now consider this: What if Monopoly came with a "Pop-o-Matic" bubble like other games like "Trouble." Would it compromise gameplay? Of course not. So why is it that EVE avoids pop-o-matic improvements to EVE in the name of game play compromise?
Case in point...Auto-Warp to zero.
I've spent the last couple of weeks housekeeping. Flying all over the EVE universe in my little industrial collecting and organizing my belongings scattered throughout the universe and what I have discovered is that flying through EVE is BLOODY BORING!!!! I did this for a living too as a courier jockey during my active days. YAAAWN!!
Here is the mechanic to warp-to-zero:
1-highlight gate 2-click warp to zero 3-enable autopilot (so as to not have to spam the jump button when you get there) 4-jump 5-disable autopilot 6-goto #1
Do this 20 or 30 times....Are we having fun yet kids? Boy, EVE is soo exciting. /sarcasm
The argument has always been (whaaa!!, this is not fair to the predators camping the gates or EVE introduced WTZ to keep players from flooding bookmarks or whatever) well, like I said, I wasnÆt even looking for combat, I was housekeeping.
Often games start off with a concept but they evolve. EVE refuses to evolve past its basic concept. It started off as a propeller run by a rubber band and it remains as such.
So if EVE had a pop-o-matic installed.....would it break the game? If EVE included Auto-WTZ for letÆs say, the most vulnerable of ships only (the slug industrials) would it really affect overall game play? Or would I be infringing on someone's sadistic rights as a players? A-WTZ should be included for all ships IMO...but I'm afraid that CCP would have a fit, much just like they would have a fit if Monopoly hade a pop-o-matic installed.
You have to ask yourself ôwhyö though. Sometimes different is good, and it IS possible to keep both the white hats and the black hats in EVE happy while they kill each other.
Last Word:
Stop falling back on your past laurels. EVE has such potential but lacks in so many ways. It is far from being a game and more akin to a dysfunctional experience with no logic to it. A space based game with advanced futuristic technology in its lore, yet simple implementation of this technology in itÆs fictitious world to improve quality of life doesnÆt even apply or exist. You people are like the modern military but limiting yourself to fighting with swords and clubs and continuing to communicate with two tin cans and a string...just because anything better/different might ruin the "eve experience" Well, with all due respect your experience sucks, and I wouldnÆt be saying this if I didnÆt care and didnÆt want it to get any better.
Neo
PS. That sickening backgroundönebulaö has got to go. It feels like I am flying more through an industrial accident than the beauty of deep space.
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Remus Andromedus
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:57:00 -
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Starting to read this wasn't very much fun. Stopped reading when you compared EVE players to Al-Qaida.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:57:00 -
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(1) Live somewhere other than generic shipping hub 31415 (so that there aren't people suicide-camping the gates for industrials).
(2) Don't intentionally do unnecessary things that you think are boring (i.e. collect all of the crap in your various closets and try to organize it neatly in one closet for hours upon hours).
(3) Leave the NPC corp for a real corp (so you're not paying taxes for nothing).
Hey, look at that, I solved your entire wall of text with three bullet points. ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Thanks Much
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:05:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? I promise I'll have fun with it!
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:10:00 -
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Quote: Reasonable minds need only apply here.
Translation: My post is full of crap, so I'll preempt people's contrary viewpoints by claiming they're unreasonable if they dare disagree with it. Obviously, I'm a democrat. ♥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/03/2011 22:10:50
Originally by: Neo Omni 1. You canÆt use things that make the sand fun like plastic cups to build blocks of sand. (IÆll explain this later)
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The taxes you pay for your NPC corp are useless as your NPC corp provides absolutely no services to you in the way of protection what-so-ever (these are the plastic cups not allowed in the sand-box)
What.
Quote: 2. You cant re-enforce you sand creations with cinder-blocks hidden in the sand
Sounds quite reasonable actually.
Quote: 3. If you want special sand to build more (special) things you have to go mine it, but then again the bullies may not allow you peacefully.
Of course. They want the special sand too.
Quote: So why is it that EVE avoids pop-o-matic improvements to EVE in the name of game play compromise?
Because it compromises gameplay. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Xan'Thia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:20:00 -
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I agree on every point.
Don't waste your breath, CCP Devs are pvper's, they don't care about Empire ro those of us who live here and don't want to PVP. There Men, Men think with the tool between there legs.
So really don't bother. EvE will never reach a million player's for the reasons you've stated and more.
Constant server fail Extreme Lag Constant Cheating Devs Dev's favouring certain alliances
It's not a game. It's a school play ground and here, there are no teachers, no rules and the Devs like to *pew pew* and the CSM, rofl, there all *pew pew* pilots n don't care about Empires.
I would quite happily work for CCP from home for FREE to address all Empire player related issues and im not joking. I would. Id trawl thru emails on my third screen quite happily whilst i mine happily.
Xan.
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:21:00 -
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Unfortunately for you, there is no way eve can guaranty fun for people without fantasy.
If you don't think warping around in an industrial is fun, then why the heck are you doing it? ProTip: Ignore your current assets, jump to a clone without implants, grab a frig/cruiser/bc and explore lowsec/w-space/0.0 or join FW and have some fun dieing. If you are not willing to do this cause you might loose some training time while not in your +5 implanted clone or you worry cause your ISK/h ratio is higher where you are now.. well thats a wide spread disease and thats why you are bored. -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately. |
Imigo Montoya
Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:23:00 -
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I feel some of the sentiment, cause there are a lot of things that need doing in EVE that are work not play (PI, mining, hauling etc).
The thing is that without that work, you wouldn't get the same level of excitement when you get into a fight because what you might lose is something that you've worked for. No other game creates that level of connection to your in game assets.
But to be quite frank, I think you need to find activities that you enjoy, rather than expect EVE to find them for you - that is part of the sandbox too.
P.S. NPC corps do offer you the protection of not being able to be wardecced. Learn to deal with/avoid the suicide gankers and you won't have to worry.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:25:00 -
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Neo, did you just pay 15 bucks to troll the forums when we all know you are playing carebears in space STO?
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James Fiveaces
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:28:00 -
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How can it be a sandbox if the kicking of sand is disallowed?
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Riedle
Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:30:00 -
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TL:DR
1) OP fails at PVP wants CCP to change the game so that he can play in the sandbox, except it would no longer be a sandbox.
2) OP wants warp to zero so he can afk haul faster.
That's all
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:44:00 -
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You are a dog-turd in my sandbox. ---
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Parah Salin McCain
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:50:00 -
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This was a very elaborate and somewhat creative troll thread, though of course it is ultimately futile and will achieve nothing.
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okst666
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: okst666 on 14/03/2011 23:11:33 if eve does not like you, why are you still here?
You don't have to be a courier..try something else....
We had our first lowsec trip tonight...OMG it was so filled with adrenaline..
6 lowsec systems full of nothing (except a minmatar-bc...who warped away as he saw we were three)..
In the last system we were naughty and waited for the blob...they have got one of us(wreck+pod)...but it was total fun.
I can say for myself, I am almost stunned in pvp situations..I shot hundrets of void M, but I can't remember I clicked to orbit the target.
They outnumbered us and 2 of us made it out..poor corpmate who lost his pod and implants.. But nevertheless it was better fun than shipspinning@forcefields.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:39:00 -
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If your not having fun in eve, that's no ones fault but your own. I suggest 2 options for your:
1. Try something else in EVE. 2. Try something else not in EVE.
I've your paying money to play a game that your not enjoying then your a fool.
Just because you have no imagination does not mean that CCP should cater to your every whim.
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Cailais
Amarr Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:47:00 -
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Dear OP,
You're confusing the idea of a "sandbox game" as a private sandbox in your back yard.
It's not. It's more like you're on the beach and if someone wants to kick your castle over they can.
Once you except this truth EVE will become more fun for you.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Oddymandius
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.15 00:18:00 -
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This may be the worst OP I have ever read. On these forums that's an outstanding achievement. My favorite part was the sand metaphor.
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Rastor Tian
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Posted - 2011.03.15 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle Anyways, he has zero kills and 29 losses which mostly consist of iterons in low sec. Can't get much more fail than that.
OP apparently managed to lose 3 blockade runners in low sec as well.
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Doctor Fambowski
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Posted - 2011.03.15 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
PS. That sickening backgroundönebulaö has got to go. It feels like I am flying more through an industrial accident than the beauty of deep space.
tl;dr. Honestly, I didn't even come close.
However this caught my eye, because I agree, there is WAY too much nebula action going on. Makes me long for darkness all the damn time.
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Envoy Achates
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Posted - 2011.03.15 01:35:00 -
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hi Nooma,
Thanks for checking in with us again so that you could complain, again. We all really appreciate it and can't wait for your next periodic whinefest.
Weather is here, wish you were beautiful, Achates
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Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.03.15 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Wall of text here
You do realise that EVE is centered around PVP right and that the bully you describe is in fact a player having fun.
Originally by: Xan'Thia whine whine whine
More nonsence...
Heres a advice to both of you...
If you dont like EVE then GTFO.
Its easy, simple, and stops us player that do have fun from wasting our time with your lame forum drivel.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.15 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni GamePlay vs Improvements (or) will a pop-o-matic hurt Monopoly?
Everyone at one time or another has played the board game Monopoly. Everyone as rolled the dice. Now consider this: What if Monopoly came with a "Pop-o-Matic" bubble like other games like "Trouble." Would it compromise gameplay? Of course not. So why is it that EVE avoids pop-o-matic improvements to EVE in the name of game play compromise?
Funny story: those Pop-o-Matic dice dome things were invented as an answer to dumb children who swallowed dice and choked to death. No loose dice = nothing for morons to choke on, thus no lawsuits.
Frankly I don't want to play games with someone dumb enough to eat their dice.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:06:00 -
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You have to take the good with the bad with EVE. There are some great games that are closer to your ideal, like Xyson, A Tale in the Desert, WURM online, and Ryzom. Try them, and maybe you'll find more satisfaction.
EVE is a game for those that enjoy being griefers or surviving them, and it offers little otherwise. It's not for all tastes.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:12:00 -
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So, long story short, if I read between the many lines, you were ganked AFK hauling?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:47:00 -
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The Mujahideen were al-Qaeda before al-Qaeda was cool.
Also, u mad?
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TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.03.15 03:21:00 -
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Yeah, you should join or create a player corp, npc corps are lame.
And yes, I too see tears. You can't autopilot an industrial anywhere anymore.
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Zesoft
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Posted - 2011.03.15 04:14:00 -
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It'd be quicker just to bullet list your problems than trying to wade through your with silly analogies. I've seriously no idea why you're making some of these. It takes longer to understand the connection you're trying to make versus just explaining the point up front.
It's hard to play EVE with a narrow scope of vision. If you're just hoping to log on, slip into lowsec and farm some tears, you're far better off doing something like world PvP in WoW (typed it with a straight face -- promise). You have to think big and not whine about the menial things it takes to get to your overall goal. Work and time spent helps put value on things.
The real secret to enjoying EVE is adderall. On Adderall, even managing market orders becomes the most intense and satisfying thing in your immediate world.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.15 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Neo Omni GamePlay vs Improvements (or) will a pop-o-matic hurt Monopoly?
Everyone at one time or another has played the board game Monopoly. Everyone as rolled the dice. Now consider this: What if Monopoly came with a "Pop-o-Matic" bubble like other games like "Trouble." Would it compromise gameplay? Of course not. So why is it that EVE avoids pop-o-matic improvements to EVE in the name of game play compromise?
Funny story: those Pop-o-Matic dice dome things were invented as an answer to dumb children who swallowed dice and choked to death. No loose dice = nothing for morons to choke on, thus no lawsuits.
Frankly I don't want to play games with someone dumb enough to eat their dice.
And that's the thread people. Pack it up.
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