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cioran wyborowa
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:23:00 -
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No offense, but thats quite expensive don't you think??
I would personally pay 5-10$ for that at the most. Sure you can pay in isk which is great and all... but this should be a service / promo for the game, Not some way to make money off of the fans. I understand that you can watch SD for free, but who wants that?
For comparison, a plex buys you a whole month of game time, and with this you get about 2 days at best. With the only benefit being HD. Well, hopefully if you dont sell any hd feeds, you will reduce the price to something more affordable. We are't all rich icelandites you know!!!
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:26:00 -
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oh noes! microtransactions! They're starting!
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:29:00 -
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Its not just the HD stream you are getting, its the Quafe T-shirt as well.
Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: cioran wyborowa No offense, but thats quite expensive don't you think??
I would personally pay 5-10$ for that at the most. Sure you can pay in isk which is great and all... but this should be a service / promo for the game, Not some way to make money off of the fans. I understand that you can watch SD for free, but who wants that?
For comparison, a plex buys you a whole month of game time, and with this you get about 2 days at best. With the only benefit being HD. Well, hopefully if you dont sell any hd feeds, you will reduce the price to something more affordable. We are't all rich icelandites you know!!!
An HD feed costs a lot of money, but a lot less than a ticket to fanfest, flights, hotel and food/drink/entertainment would do. And as you pointed out, you can pay in isk so it doesn't actually cost you a single penny. Tell you what, go find out just how much it costs to purchase HD camera equipment and the hardware to encode/transmit it, and then find out how much it costs to get enough bandwidth to supply that HD feed to possibly thousands of people all over the world. If you can provide all of that for $5 then by all means go ahead and do it..........
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:34:00 -
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A standard feed will be available for free. I'm betting that most people will be watching in a windowed player anyways as they do other stuff so they won't mind the lower res.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not just the HD stream you are getting, its the Quafe T-shirt as well.
Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX.
You really do have a stick in your butt when it comes to this micro-transaction business don't you? I should point out then that this ISNT A MICRO-TRANSACTION. Micro generally implies small, in the case of EVE it most likely wouldn't even be a fraction of a PLEX, but rather just small amounts of ISK.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.17 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not just the HD stream you are getting, its the Quafe T-shirt as well.
Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX.
You really do have a stick in your butt when it comes to this micro-transaction business don't you? I should point out then that this ISNT A MICRO-TRANSACTION. Micro generally implies small, in the case of EVE it most likely wouldn't even be a fraction of a PLEX, but rather just small amounts of ISK.
Maybe a mechanic will come to split a PLEX into smaller chunks, but nothing will cost "just small amounts of ISK". ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.03.17 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Maybe a mechanic will come to split a PLEX into smaller chunks, but nothing will cost "just small amounts of ISK".
Wallet -> Journal -> Ref. Type -> Modify uPlex
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.17 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX.
I'm not really sure now i feel about plex being able to buy real world stuff, i think it's awesome that CCP gives everyone a chance to buy the stuff they sell even the people that can't afford to pay with real currency. On the other hand i think it's hard to see what effect this will have on plex prices in-game, aslong as it's not harming the in-game use of plex to play for subscriptions, i think CCP should make it possible to buy a lot more stuff with both cash and plex.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 17/03/2011 10:17:14
Originally by: cioran wyborowa No offense, but thats quite expensive don't you think??
I would personally pay 5-10$ for that at the most. Sure you can pay in isk which is great and all... but this should be a service / promo for the game, Not some way to make money off of the fans. I understand that you can watch SD for free, but who wants that?
For comparison, a plex buys you a whole month of game time, and with this you get about 2 days at best. With the only benefit being HD. Well, hopefully if you dont sell any hd feeds, you will reduce the price to something more affordable. We are't all rich icelandites you know!!!
Well, for comparison, a visit to Iceland and the fanfest itself might cost you 1200-1500 dollars. And that is aprox 10-12 years of subscriptions!
Personally I plan to get the live feed and then route it to my TV, from where I will sit and watch the whole show, with beer in one hand, popcorn in the other, wearing a big frown and being jealous because I cant be there in person - as I was in 2006 and 2007!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
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Signal11th
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Signal11th on 17/03/2011 10:51:32 Personally why anyone would want to spend $20 to watch fat out of shape spotty oiks fawning over similar chaps wearing CCP Dev T-shirts I don't know. Personally unless I get to see Bjork stage diving or coming out of a swimming bath half naked like the last time I went to Iceland I'm not interested. Although I did nearly go blind at the Blue Lagoon which was fun!!
Save yourselves $20 dollars and get a cheap hooker you will have much more fun and then the majority of you can actually tell your mates you've got laid at last!! (disclaimer nailing a $20 hooker will get get you laid and will also get you various STD's, so you have been warned)
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.17 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: cioran wyborowa No offense, but thats quite expensive don't you think??
I would personally pay 5-10$ for that at the most. Sure you can pay in isk which is great and all... but this should be a service / promo for the game, Not some way to make money off of the fans. I understand that you can watch SD for free, but who wants that?
For comparison, a plex buys you a whole month of game time, and with this you get about 2 days at best. With the only benefit being HD. Well, hopefully if you dont sell any hd feeds, you will reduce the price to something more affordable. We are't all rich icelandites you know!!!
An HD feed costs a lot of money, but a lot less than a ticket to fanfest, flights, hotel and food/drink/entertainment would do. And as you pointed out, you can pay in isk so it doesn't actually cost you a single penny. Tell you what, go find out just how much it costs to purchase HD camera equipment and the hardware to encode/transmit it, and then find out how much it costs to get enough bandwidth to supply that HD feed to possibly thousands of people all over the world. If you can provide all of that for $5 then by all means go ahead and do it..........
QFT - because of the relatively low volumes that CCP can expect on their HD streams, they can NOT marginalize capital costs. Meaning that they have to charge a lot per person, as they have to recoup losses from the costs of production - not just the cost of goods sold. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Opije
Caldari Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.03.17 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Opije on 17/03/2011 13:44:03 It's the next step down from actually being there, $20 is cheap compared to seeing it for real. You can even use one PLEX which if you wanted to grind enough isk for, up to you though.
Personally even if I did want to see Fanfest in HD my ADSL would most probably have no chance of keeping up with the buffering. Australian Internet, you suck.
From past experience the normal stream of Fanfest is fine anyway, I wouldn't complain even if it wasn't HD. You still get to see all the action.
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Tavin Aikisen
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.03.17 13:48:00 -
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Blizzard charges it's MILLIONS of subscribers $50+ a person. The streams are kept up for a very limited time, are extremely buggy, constanty mislinked (so you watch something else instead) and did I mention they come down in a shorter amount of time than it takes to actually watch them delayed?
Two years in a row I've received a refund due to their poor performance...
$20 or a PLEX? Yes, please. SD available for free for now and the Quafe shirt available later anyway? Even better.
I'm still deciding, chances are I'll pay it. Nice little Quafe shirt to play with before Incarna and it also makes me feel as if I'm there.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.17 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson You really do have a stick in your butt when it comes to this micro-transaction business don't you? I should point out then that this ISNT A MICRO-TRANSACTION. Micro generally implies small, in the case of EVE it most likely wouldn't even be a fraction of a PLEX, but rather just small amounts of ISK.
Its nice to see his desperate pointless attempts to change anything. Just forum clown copy-pasting his butthurt here and there and first candidate to ignore list when new forums arrive.
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Linda Flamewalker
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Posted - 2011.03.17 16:16:00 -
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I paid and i cant even watch the first day as i need to visit the darn immigration.
Im just glad i can pay with a plex instead of cash.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.17 16:19:00 -
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I can't wait to get my Quafe in-game t-shirt. I hope I can redo my portrait with me wearing it!
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.03.17 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: cioran wyborowa
No offense, but thats quite expensive don't you think??
Don't pay for it then, that's what I'm doing about the whole situation.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.17 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 17/03/2011 16:34:43 I love how people argue that it's still less expensive than flying to iceland. NO **** SHERLOCK! Except it's completely immaterial to the question at hand.
edit: and @OP you can watch the HD stream later on youtube or something at least that's what I've heard --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.17 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 17/03/2011 16:59:57
Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 17/03/2011 16:34:43 I love how people argue that it's still less expensive than flying to iceland. NO **** SHERLOCK! Except it's completely immaterial to the question at hand.
edit: and @OP you can watch the HD stream later on youtube or something at least that's what I've heard
It isn't immaterial at all you cretin, since the discussion is all about the cost of seeing fanfest. As has already been explained quite clearly, running a live HD stream is an expensive proposition and as such the charge is perfectly justifiable. If you are too tight-fisted to pay for it, either watch the standard definition stream live, or watch the HD stream later on Youtube.
And as has also been pointed out, if there were no streams at all, your only other option would be to go to Iceland yourself, which costs roughly ú1200-1500 all in. Hmmm, I think I'll take the ú20 option.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.17 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
It isn't immaterial at all you cretin, since the discussion is all about the cost of seeing fanfest.
Yes, it is ****face. Justifying the price for a stream by saying that a complete holiday including fanfest tickets would be more expensive is simply clinically ******ed. End of.
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:01:00 -
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I've said it before but I'll gladly say it again.
This idea of charging the fans to watch a fanfest is the work of Satan. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre I've said it before but I'll gladly say it again.
This idea of charging the fans to watch a fanfest is the work of Satan.
Good thing you can watch it live for free then with the sd stream. Or is charging for premium quality content that costs ccp money to provide now considered a horrible profit grab?
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Cys Root
Gallente Onefix RD
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Signal11th Save yourselves $20 dollars and get a cheap hooker
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Sadly, the hookers in my hood won't accept payment in PLEX form.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmatiko on 17/03/2011 23:35:02 Edited by: Sarmatiko on 17/03/2011 23:33:51
Originally by: Louis deGuerre This idea of charging the fans to watch a fanfest is the work of Satan.
According to the Bible stuff, most of the pleasant things are the work of Satan. So id better work for this guy, not for the wierd moral pedobears.
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Echo Mae
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not just the HD stream you are getting, its the Quafe T-shirt as well.
Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX.
You really do have a stick in your butt when it comes to this micro-transaction business don't you? I should point out then that this ISNT A MICRO-TRANSACTION. Micro generally implies small, in the case of EVE it most likely wouldn't even be a fraction of a PLEX, but rather just small amounts of ISK.
STO Has 'micro' transactions through their C-Store. However, there are enough of those 'Micro' transaction that cost $20.00 or more to put your statement to question. Most are below it, but there are a fair number of items that are not. ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll |
Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Mae
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not just the HD stream you are getting, its the Quafe T-shirt as well.
Welcome to the era of the micro transaction. Expect a lot more things to cost a PLEX.
You really do have a stick in your butt when it comes to this micro-transaction business don't you? I should point out then that this ISNT A MICRO-TRANSACTION. Micro generally implies small, in the case of EVE it most likely wouldn't even be a fraction of a PLEX, but rather just small amounts of ISK.
STO Has 'micro' transactions through their C-Store. However, there are enough of those 'Micro' transaction that cost $20.00 or more to put your statement to question. Most are below it, but there are a fair number of items that are not.
If that is the case, then clearly the idiots who created STO, apart from not being able to make an even halfway decent game, don't understand the definition of "micro". My point stands.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 18/03/2011 02:00:39
Originally by: Myra2007
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
It isn't immaterial at all you cretin, since the discussion is all about the cost of seeing fanfest.
Yes, it is ****face. Justifying the price for a stream by saying that a complete holiday including fanfest tickets would be more expensive is simply clinically ******ed. End of.
In fact, if you had bothered to read what was posted earlier you would see that the price of the HD stream is justified by the COST OF IMPLEMENTING IT. And if there was no stream, your only other option would be to go there yourself. What I did was to make a list of the options available and the costs of those options, the most expensive being going to Iceland in person. Thus mentioning the price of going to fanfest was entirely applicable and justified. Go away and learn basic reading comprehension before you make an even bigger prat of yourself.
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Olleybear
Minmatar I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.03.18 02:25:00 -
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Standard Definition Fanfest Feed: Free
High Definition Fanfest Feed: 1 Plex
Living in a 3rd world, back water broadband country ( USA ) that cant keep up with High definition video feed from Iceland: Priceless.
/me cries...
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Astroka
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Posted - 2011.03.18 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Astroka on 18/03/2011 04:19:19 CCP charges $20 for an HD feed.
Blizzard Entertainment charges $40 for an HD feed.
CCP is a lot more interesting. Oh, and Blizzard doesn't offer a free SD stream. Are you saying CCP charges unfair rates?
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