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smacks
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:52:00 -
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Hi there
Recently been hearing about Phaser Inc. and I am tempted to give it a shot, I am just wondering if anyone else has tried them, heard anything about them. Been playing for 6 years and never invested in any of the banks or suchlike, but I am worth a lot now and I am curious about this one.
:-)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:58:00 -
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You could use eve-search or just browse back the first pages and you'd find a thread exactly about Phaser Inc.
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Krythas
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:59:00 -
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Always work on the idea that whatever you invest is gone for good
Also, there tend to be better offers out there
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:00:00 -
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Linkage
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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2011.03.19 16:17:00 -
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It's either a scam or a rather sloppily run business. Which one is the scarier option I don't know.
Remember the bank of eve? Good times...
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.03.19 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel It's either a scam or a rather sloppily run business. Which one is the scarier option I don't know.
Remember the bank of eve? Good times...
A sloppily-run business has no definable difference from a scam, in the long run. Either way, it fails to do what it promised, and people lose their money.
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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2011.03.20 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Julius Rigel It's either a scam or a rather sloppily run business. Which one is the scarier option I don't know.
Remember the bank of eve? Good times...
A sloppily-run business has no definable difference from a scam, in the long run. Either way, it fails to do what it promised, and people lose their money.
True. The only difference is that a well-orchestrated scam shows competence, while an honest, yet failing business shows incompetence.
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the xinc
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Posted - 2011.03.21 06:46:00 -
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paying out good so far (well for me )
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:10:00 -
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Like Krythas said... and this goes for any EVE investment... unless you know who the people behind it are and have a good reason to trust them (knowing them IRL would probably be half of a good enough reason, the other half being knowing they're dependable too), then by all means, go ahead, invest... otherwise, consider it a lottery and say goodbye to all the cash you invested the moment you invest it... later, you might be pleasantly surprised, but don't hold your breath.
In other words, unless you have good reasons to believe otherwise ALWAYS assume it's a scam... or, at best, a pyramid scheme. At least you can get some money out of a pyramid scheme if you pull out just before it implodes.
Originally by: the xinc paying out good so far (well for me )
That doesn't really say anything. That's how all pyramid schemes work too (until just before they pop), not just legit businesses. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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the xinc
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: the xinc on 21/03/2011 07:15:17 they have paid ME back more than I put in so far so yeah I'M not complaining :)
though in saying that before trying it out i thought it was a scam as well lol
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: the xinc
though in saying that before trying it out i thought it was a scam as well lol
wow people are dense
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RUSROG
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:24:00 -
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Phaser Inc. is legit - so far invested 50 mill - and they are paying back...
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Brynj Spirum
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: RUSROG Phaser Inc. is legit - so far invested 50 mill - and they are paying back..
Posts like these make me wonder if people have any idea how ponzi scams work.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: RUSROG Phaser Inc. is legit - so far invested 50 mill - and they are paying back...
Allways nice to see someone's first post ever on the forums have such a 'huge impact' on the confidence of other people.
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Zylawy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:46:00 -
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I haven't had any issues with them. I have invested a large amount and so far so good.
Just keep in mind that if it fails, its your loss. be ready to write it all off if it comes to that.
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Fred Barbossa
Free Mineral Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Brynj Spirum
Originally by: RUSROG Phaser Inc. is legit - so far invested 50 mill - and they are paying back..
Posts like these make me wonder if people have any idea how ponzi scams work.
People like you make me wonder if you know how investing works in this game. Even the legit groups will eventually burn out and steal money. They're all eventually ponzi scams if you want to look at it that way.
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Brynj Spirum
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Posted - 2011.06.06 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fred Barbossa
Originally by: Brynj Spirum
Originally by: RUSROG Phaser Inc. is legit - so far invested 50 mill - and they are paying back..
Posts like these make me wonder if people have any idea how ponzi scams work.
People like you make me wonder if you know how investing works in this game. Even the legit groups will eventually burn out and steal money. They're all eventually ponzi scams if you want to look at it that way.
So according to your 'logic', EVERY SINGLE INVESTMENT in this game is a scam, so I should invest my money anyway. Cause that's just the way it is? That I should expect to lose my money? Not in a 'consider what you invest lost' to protect yourself from over investing, but a 'i may as well just give it to the isk doublers and pray they're dumb enough to actually double it'.
Thing is, investing in eve doesn't work and exactly for the reason you stated. You don't invest in eve. All the well crafted business plans and MD rep grinding doesn't change what it is really. You gamble and hope to get out before the bill comes due.
As for my original point, it had nothing to do with this being a legit deal or not or the current state of eve investments. Just the idea that some anonymous group paid interest on some minuscule amount of loaned cash and therefore they have to be on the up. Funny, the isk doublers work on the same principle... right up until the end.
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Zylawy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 00:59:00 -
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Hes saying that 90% or more (if not all) who take iskto invest will eventually get more isk and would be easier to quit and take the isk.
I have been with Phaser Inc for 6 weeks without a problem.
I guess the best advice for investing is like the lottery.
Know your limit, play within it.
If you invest and get a return, great, just be ready to lose too.
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Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2011.06.07 01:09:00 -
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8/10. Clever self promoting, you sure have lots of alts though.
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Zylawy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mella Elcus 8/10. Clever self promoting, you sure have lots of alts though.
If you are referring to me, I assure you I only have 1 account. and have no relations to their project other then being an investor.
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Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Brynj Spirum So according to your 'logic', EVERY SINGLE INVESTMENT in this game is a scam, so I should invest my money anyway. Cause that's just the way it is? That I should expect to lose my money? Not in a 'consider what you invest lost' to protect yourself from over investing, but a 'i may as well just give it to the isk doublers and pray they're dumb enough to actually double it'.
Thing is, investing in eve doesn't work and exactly for the reason you stated. You don't invest in eve. All the well crafted business plans and MD rep grinding doesn't change what it is really. You gamble and hope to get out before the bill comes due.
As for my original point, it had nothing to do with this being a legit deal or not or the current state of eve investments. Just the idea that some anonymous group paid interest on some minuscule amount of loaned cash and therefore they have to be on the up. Funny, the isk doublers work on the same principle... right up until the end.
This.
Treating investments as though they're all scams just so you won't be disappointed later is not a legitimate investment strategy (not even in EVE). It's a borderline-pathetic coping mechanism.
And the idea that this has become a kind of MD orthodoxy about investing only underscores something I've said before, which is that MD investment appears to be much more about roleplay than actually making ISK. Given the rates we see in most bonds, people tend to make far less back on investments than they would if they just invested the money themselves in activities requiring minimal effort.
I do find it interesting, though, that a group of people with such haphazard ideas about investing ("Always believe it's a scam and be ready to lose the money!") so frequently expect the investees to offer sterling evidence of business acumen.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai
This.
Treating investments as though they're all scams just so you won't be disappointed later is not a legitimate investment strategy (not even in EVE). It's a borderline-pathetic coping mechanism.
And the idea that this has become a kind of MD orthodoxy about investing only underscores something I've said before, which is that MD investment appears to be much more about roleplay than actually making ISK. Given the rates we see in most bonds, people tend to make far less back on investments than they would if they just invested the money themselves in activities requiring minimal effort.
I do find it interesting, though, that a group of people with such haphazard ideas about investing ("Always believe it's a scam and be ready to lose the money!") so frequently expect the investees to offer sterling evidence of business acumen.
I do find t interesting that butthurt cellar dwelling spilt drink t-shirt wearing forever calzone nerds such as you continue to post negatively, with nothing but spite for investors/investees.
You strike me as a butthurt alt of someone who lost money in an eve online spaceships bond/ipo. So who was it..... bad bobby?..... riethe?..... Ebank?
/boring
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai And the idea that this has become a kind of MD orthodoxy about investing only underscores something I've said before, which is that MD investment appears to be much more about roleplay than actually making ISK. Given the rates we see in most bonds, people tend to make far less back on investments than they would if they just invested the money themselves in activities requiring minimal effort.
I do find it interesting, though, that a group of people with such haphazard ideas about investing ("Always believe it's a scam and be ready to lose the money!") so frequently expect the investees to offer sterling evidence of business acumen.
By yours post history and SCC Lounge chat I understand you are new to the game. This is not a bad thing, but you should't:
- pretend to teach investors what to do without yourself providing any records of your investing experience. So far you have yet to leave the "tire kicker" and "ambulance chaser" and "monday quarterback" status.
- pretend to teach EvE players to ignore the First Law: "don't fly what you cannot afford to lose". This also applies to investments, including RL: consider every penny as lost until proven otherwise.
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Companion Qube
Minmatar Electron Conservation Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:35:00 -
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Nicely done, how many hits has this thread driven to your website. For anyone reading this far down Phaser is a classic ponzi scheme, you might "earn interest" for a little while but you're not likely to get your money back.
...they see me trollin', they hatin' ♥
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Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mu-Shi Ai on 07/06/2011 08:07:25
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha By yours post history and SCC Lounge chat I understand you are new to the game.
I'm not new to the game.
Quote: This is not a bad thing, but you should't:
- pretend to teach investors what to do without yourself providing any records of your investing experience. So far you have yet to leave the "tire kicker" and "ambulance chaser" and "monday quarterback" status.
When did I ever attempt to teach MD bond/IPO investors "what to do"? Nobody knows "what to do" with bonds and IPOs.
Quote: - pretend to teach EvE players to ignore the First Law: "don't fly what you cannot afford to lose". This also applies to investments, including RL: consider every penny as lost until proven otherwise.
If you do invest, you should be ready to risk the money, but if you're going into an investment already figuring the money's lost, that's just stupidity.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai Edited by: Mu-Shi Ai on 07/06/2011 08:07:25
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha By yours post history and SCC Lounge chat I understand you are new to the game.
I'm not new to the game.
This makes things worse.
Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai
When did I ever attempt to teach MD bond/IPO investors "what to do"? Nobody knows "what to do" with bonds and IPOs.
Nobody? I invested in all fully collateralized investments where I held collateral myself. Others invested in fully collateralized investments where I held collateral myself (notice the difference). I also invested in 1 uncollateralzed investment with money previously paid to me by the same investee as fee so it's a free ride. Flakeys did similar or better. Taram Caldar too. And others. Raw23 is another who made more with investments than he lost.
Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai
Quote: - pretend to teach EvE players to ignore the First Law: "don't fly what you cannot afford to lose". This also applies to investments, including RL: consider every penny as lost until proven otherwise.
If you do invest, you should be ready to risk the money, but if you're going into an investment already figuring the money's lost, that's just stupidity.
I suppose this is another case where everyone in EvE get a concept (ie the don't fly what you can't afford to lose) in a way, while you get it in a different way. They do NOT figure money is lost, they just mark it in their books as money that can be sacrificed.
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Emma d'Acques
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:38:00 -
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I invested a small amount into Phaser, just for sh*ts and giggles, with the option to re-invest. Before that, I chose weekly payouts, and those came through.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
They do NOT figure money is lost, they just mark it in their books as money that can be sacrificed.
However, the above snippet is exactly the way I look at this. The amount I invested, 20M ISK, is something I can easily miss, and if Phaser should turn out to be a scan, I'm not going to be butthurt over it.
However, to look at every investment as a scam seems pathetic to me. Making money takes risk, and every Bond/IPO involves risk, no doubt about that. And this risk is as great in EvE as it is in Real Life, I'd say even greater.
But, I'm diverging from the topic at hand here.
Is Phaser a scam? I have no idea, and don't actually care, as I've already written off my small investment anyway. I guess only time will tell if Phaser turns out to be a scam or not.
My 0.02 ISK
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Emma d'Acques
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
They do NOT figure money is lost, they just mark it in their books as money that can be sacrificed.
However, the above snippet is exactly the way I look at this. The amount I invested, 20M ISK, is something I can easily miss, and if Phaser should
I searched for the English word to use for my reply for long minutes. It was exactly "written off", so we thought the same but I just can't recall all those words combos when I need them .
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McPod
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: McPod on 07/06/2011 16:00:16 I saw them advertise 5% per week. madoff's ponzi was only 12%/year.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 07/06/2011 22:05:08
Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai
Originally by: Brynj Spirum So according to your 'logic', EVERY SINGLE INVESTMENT in this game is a scam, so I should invest my money anyway. Cause that's just the way it is? That I should expect to lose my money? Not in a 'consider what you invest lost' to protect yourself from over investing, but a 'i may as well just give it to the isk doublers and pray they're dumb enough to actually double it'.
Thing is, investing in eve doesn't work and exactly for the reason you stated. You don't invest in eve. All the well crafted business plans and MD rep grinding doesn't change what it is really. You gamble and hope to get out before the bill comes due.
As for my original point, it had nothing to do with this being a legit deal or not or the current state of eve investments. Just the idea that some anonymous group paid interest on some minuscule amount of loaned cash and therefore they have to be on the up. Funny, the isk doublers work on the same principle... right up until the end.
This.
Treating investments as though they're all scams just so you won't be disappointed later is not a legitimate investment strategy (not even in EVE). It's a borderline-pathetic coping mechanism.
And the idea that this has become a kind of MD orthodoxy about investing only underscores something I've said before, which is that MD investment appears to be much more about roleplay than actually making ISK. Given the rates we see in most bonds, people tend to make far less back on investments than they would if they just invested the money themselves in activities requiring minimal effort.
I do find it interesting, though, that a group of people with such haphazard ideas about investing ("Always believe it's a scam and be ready to lose the money!") so frequently expect the investees to offer sterling evidence of business acumen.
Yep yep and yep. Although small caveat, I have been since convinced that by investing only in the small scale ventures, which are either roleplay or rep-grinding, can build isk. But given the returns and the effort required, I think it makes more sense there to just shoot red crosses or trade in station.
This forum (or specifically the IPO/bond side of it) is basically for roleplayers who get really really REALLY offended if they get called roleplayers. To explain some of the rage being directed at you.
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