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Sebastiann Kane
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Posted - 2011.03.19 12:58:00 -
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Hello
Ive just started flying a Nightmare with Tachs and things are looking good. Ive got the battleship skills to 4-4 and i'll be finishing a few gunnery V skills before i start on BS level V skills
But my questions are these
1. Do tracking computers stack with tracking enhancers. 2. If i had 2 tracking computers, one with a range script and the other with a tracking script, will they stack. 3. Are the tracking computer scripts included when stacking.
My thanks for your answers
My thanks for your answers
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Nadine Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.03.19 13:15:00 -
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Hello, 1) yes, second strongest module's bonusses will suffer a bit 2) no 3) the scripts shift your TC's bonusses either completely into tracking or more range, thus yes. if you'd be using two unscripted computers, both bonusses will get a stacking penalty |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.19 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 19/03/2011 13:19:41 In before move to S&Mà
That said:
1. Yes, and they're subject to stacking penalties as well. 2. Yes,¦ but iirc, you get more out of them if you run both without scripts. 3. Yes.
¦ àbut that depends on what you mean by "stack". Yes, both will have their respective effects, but seeing as how they have completely different effects if you script them both, that shouldn't be surprising. Since they give different bonuses, they're not subject to stacking penalties, though. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Sebastiann Kane
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Posted - 2011.03.19 13:25:00 -
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Thanks for the replys but ofc your answers have given me a few more questions to ask.
1. Tippia how is it possible that you will get more out of two computers if you leave them unscripted? 2. When tracking computers and tracking enhancers stack, is there anyway of choosing which type will be the 2nd tracker and therefore running at 83%
3. Im currently running three imperial Heat sinks two Tracking Enhancers in my lows
But I intend to run 2 sepentis Tracking computers in my mids. so i can replace an enhancer with another heat sink but i dont know what to put in the last lowslot. any suggestions
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Nadine Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.03.19 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nadine Le''**** on 19/03/2011 13:43:49 Edited by: Nadine Le''**** on 19/03/2011 13:41:48 according to EFT two unscripted TCs give less bonusses than two with different scripts, i didn't run the numbers ingame. EDIT: tippia is right, above statement is wrong. i had another enhancer fitted, that way the preference should be different scripts. no enhancer - no scripts is best. another EDIT: _if_ your concern is tracking. optimal and fallof suffer from unscripted configuration.
secondly, the module with a lower base bonus value will always get the stacking penalty
specifically about the nightmare, it already has a built in tracking bonus, boosting it further might only help you with tracking smaller stuff. the thing about the nightmare is though, that you kill stuff so fast, targets should never come close enough so that tracking becomes an issue.
that is if you intend to run missions with it. i'd recommend running a rangescripted TC together with an enhancer, giving a huge boost in optimal while also an unpenalized tracking bonus from the enhancer.
but pvpwise i guess you never could have enough tracking.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.19 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/03/2011 14:25:41 @Sebastiann Kane : duuude, almost EVERYTHING stacks, the only exception is leadership effects. Saying "does it stack" is next to meaningless. What you need to ask is "do they get stack-NERFED or not?"
"how is it possible that you will get more out of two computers if you leave them unscripted?"
Scripted T2 - either 30% tracking or 15% optimal, depending on script Unscripted T2 - 15% for tracking and 7.5% for optimal 2nd unscripted T2 - additional ~87% effect, so ~+13.05% tracking and ~6.525% for optimal... ...for a grand total of ~+30.0075% tracking and ~+14.514% optimal. Hmm, that doesn't look like better to me - barely better on tracking, worse on optimal. I don't know, maybe for different metalevel it's better with two unscripted ones ? Or maybe EFT fails to properly stack-nerf the optimal modifier ? I see that EFT actually reports a slightly-over-15% bonus for optimal, then the proper calculated bonus should be below 15%.
"When tracking computers and tracking enhancers stack, is there anyway of choosing which type will be the 2nd tracker and therefore running at 83%"
First off, it's 87%. Well, it's actually x0.8691199806, but I guess 87% is a sufficiently decent approximation. Second, the magnitude of the effect is what determines the stack-nerf order. The highest absolute value is always untouched, the lowest absolute value (the one closest to zero) gets the worst stack-nerf coefficient. It all happens automatically, and it's the most beneficial combination possible for you as far as stack-nerf order goes. If two or more have identical effects the order for those has no relevance.
"Are the tracking computer scripts included when stacking"
Stack-nerfing is on a per-attribute-modifier basis, not a per-module basis. If you have 2 tracking computers, one without script and one with optimal range script : * the one with the optimal script has an x1 stack-nerf coefficient applied (=no nerf) because it has the highest absolute value for that attribute * for the one without a script, the optimal range bonus gets a x0.8691199806 modifier, because it's a lower absolute value and there's just one higher absolute value modifier * for the same one without a script, the tracking gets a x1 modifier (no nerf) because there is no other source of module or rig-based tracking adjustment
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Shandelzare
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Posted - 2011.03.20 08:16:00 -
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"how is it possible that you will get more out of two computers if you leave them unscripted?"
You can get more out of 2 unscipted computers, becouse multiple mods are not addive but multiplicative. So if the 1st one gives 15% and 2nd gives 13.05%, the result is NOT 1.15+0.1305 which would result in 1.2805 instead it is 1.15*1.1305 which results in 1.300075
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:39:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Ships and Modules.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:46:00 -
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from in-game show info (in space)
no tracking enhancers
different scripts -range47.437 -tracking0.03266
unscripted -range47.234 -tracking0.03266
1 tracking enhancer
different scripts -range53.621 -tracking0.03536
unscripted -range52.692 -tracking0.03443
2 tracking enhancers
different scripts -range58.211 -tracking0.03727
unscripted -range57.103 -tracking0.03535
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:36:00 -
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So, what i've assertained from replies is that Akita is saying that theres negligable differences between having 2 TC's scripted compared to 2 TC's unscripted. Yet the reply below show that there is a notable difference. Which is it?
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Jawfish
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jawfish on 21/03/2011 23:53:49
Originally by: Jagga Spikes from in-game show info (in space)
no tracking enhancers
different scripts -range47.437 -tracking0.03266
unscripted -range47.234 -tracking0.03266
1 tracking enhancer
different scripts -range53.621 -tracking0.03536
unscripted -range52.692 -tracking0.03443
2 tracking enhancers
different scripts -range58.211 -tracking0.03727
unscripted -range57.103 -tracking0.03535
So to clarify, it is always better to run different scripts in Tracking Computers regardless of how many Enhancers they have. Correct? Thanks
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2011.03.22 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 22/03/2011 07:26:02
Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk So, what i've assertained from replies is that Akita is saying that theres negligable differences between having 2 TC's scripted compared to 2 TC's unscripted. Yet the reply below show that there is a notable difference. Which is it?
"The reply below" does not show that, it shows just what Akita said, negligible difference.
no tracking enhancers
different scripts -range47.437 -tracking0.03266
unscripted -range47.234 -tracking0.03266
Now it apparently can start to make a small difference as you add even more same attribute modifiers into the mix, TE's in the example given, because stacking penalty gets more severe the more modifiers you have on the same attribute.
So what you can take from this is, that if you have two TC's scripting them is pretty much always the best option, and when it's not, it's equal.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.22 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
So what you can take from this is, that if you have two TC's scripting them is pretty much always the best option, and when it's not, it's equal.
The ONLY circumstance in which NOT scripting is superior is when the ONLY optimal, falloff, and tracking modules on your ship are the two tracking computers.
If you've got a tracking enhancer or a locus, ambit, or metastasis rig, always script. And really, just always script anyway. It lets you change situationally.
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