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Prada
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Posted - 2003.07.01 07:06:00 -
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Is there any benefit to the 'Trade' skill?
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.07.01 11:21:00 -
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Not that I've noticed.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:20:00 -
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give increase is sale price when selling stuffs to NPC.
or thats atleast what is says it does.
Edited by: Rancid Mare on 02/07/2003 10:20:07
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.04 04:16:00 -
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But it's been broken since release.
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Posted - 2003.07.07 00:24:00 -
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yep... when this Trade skill is going to be implanted...?
It should be not so hard for the Devs. to put a 5% per level when sold to a NPC corp.
i only know that my MainChar... has wastet his Leatrning Time, into this Char Generation Skill... without any benefits..
That Sucks...
i can only hope on the next Patch
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Posted - 2003.07.09 11:47:00 -
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I started out with tons of charisma and trade skills.
After thinking it over a few times, I desided to remake my character with as little charisma and no trade skills (even tho my char does trading!).
Trade skills dont work yet. When they do, they supposedly make your npc trading easier. When you think of it... once the economy in EVE developes to what it should be, all the supply and demand is made by other players, not npc's. How is charisma and trade skills going to help with that?
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Malais
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Posted - 2003.07.12 01:16:00 -
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The trade skill is broken...however in response to the post about what good will it be... What do you trade? If you sell ore/minerals/ships/manufactured stuff then it isn't really worth it. However, if you TRADE ie trade GOODS then it will be worth it. On one run that I can make 500k to 1 mil on now, with trade 5 I would get a 25% bonus. (lvl 5 X 5% per level) so now I make 625k to 1.25 mil from the very same route.
Free money is always nice.
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Brian Detaah
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Posted - 2003.07.20 00:40:00 -
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I dont thing u are getting just how ridiculiosly great that skill would be if it actually did what it says it does and I think that is why the devs are having trouble with it.
If tradeskill boosts NPC demand prices by 5% a lvl, u wont be earning just 5% more, no u will be earning double (lvl 2) and even triple (lvl 4) ur normal profit. How come? because it add to SALEPRICE not profit. Now THAT is an unbalanced skill.
So why not just make it profit then. Well i think that is very hard to handle for the system. Then it would have to track all goods bought and sold, calculate the profits individually and give the bonus. Something that i would guess is not easy. Its very hard (from a machines point of view) to make that work. I guess its the same reason why the corp tax system aint working.
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Tolanthas
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:04:00 -
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For one thing,, Trade skill is only for Trade goods.. Nothing else,, not minerals or ores or anything else the Npc's may buy from you. It is only for trade goods.
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:20:00 -
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Hmmm I think he means that its for "Trade Goods..."
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Jiselle
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Posted - 2003.07.23 03:16:00 -
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It may be for Trade Goods, but it still does not work.
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Joshua Trajan
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Posted - 2003.07.26 16:30:00 -
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Hi, Is it possible to buy the Trade skill yet?
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Zores
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Posted - 2003.07.29 09:10:00 -
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Im not sure if you can buy it yet but you can start out with it 
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Nosferatu Zodd
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Posted - 2003.07.29 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 29/07/2003 20:12:27
Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 29/07/2003 19:34:28
Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 29/07/2003 19:31:55
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I dont thing u are getting just how ridiculiosly great that skill would be if it actually did what it says it does and I think that is why the devs are having trouble with it.
If tradeskill boosts NPC demand prices by 5% a lvl, u wont be earning just 5% more, no u will be earning double (lvl 2) and even triple (lvl 4) ur normal profit. How come? because it add to SALEPRICE not profit. Now THAT is an unbalanced skill.
So why not just make it profit then. Well i think that is very hard to handle for the system. Then it would have to track all goods bought and sold, calculate the profits individually and give the bonus. Something that i would guess is not easy. Its very hard (from a machines point of view) to make that work. I guess its the same reason why the corp tax system aint working.
I could be wrong but I heard that the trade skill is already implemented - I should check the patch info, that's where I read it I think.
And it would not be so hard for the system.
It should work like this :
If for example the demand on an item is 100 isk per unit AND this item is sold by an NPC. you'll have 5% per level reduction in price. So YOU will pay 95 isk for that unit. If you sell that a unit to another NPC the demand will be 5% higher from NPC's (if demand from NPC's would be 105 you will be able to sell it for 110.25 isk). That table is calculated without a problem. I dont say it is like that but it probably will work like that.
Most of the time you'll buy & sell to NPC's, not to players.
If you see the price of a player, the price will not be altered by the skill (like it says: only to NPC's the price is recalculated).
Then in some cases the price of the NPC's will go higher or lower than the price given by a player.
Edit : I've checked the patch notes.
Trade skill isn't implemented yet
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Posted - 2003.08.25 11:35:00 -
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 ok ive just bought 4425 of electronic parts for 795 isk i lookin my transactions to find out i have been charged 3516285 which is the same price as 4423 of electronic parts.cool a discount then when i go sell for 844 i receive 3718639,this is the ammount i would receive if i sold 4405 so the system is totaly screwedi have trade skill lv 2
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Wodka
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Posted - 2003.08.26 09:17:00 -
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you recieve less due to a tax that goes on ALL market transactions
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:34:00 -
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Quote:
you recieve less due to a tax that goes on ALL market transactions
0.35% I believe
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BoNeck
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Posted - 2003.08.26 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: BoNeck on 26/08/2003 22:59:33
Edited by: BoNeck on 26/08/2003 22:58:11
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It should work like this :
If for example the demand on an item is 100 isk per unit AND this item is sold by an NPC. you'll have 5% per level reduction in price. So YOU will pay 95 isk for that unit. If you sell that a unit to another NPC the demand will be 5% higher from NPC's (if demand from NPC's would be 105 you will be able to sell it for 110.25 isk). That table is calculated without a problem. I dont say it is like that but it probably will work like that.
well, they speak of a bonus when selling, so no buying bonus. but that was only btw.
i agree that a 5%/lvl bonus on sell price is unbalanced. but a 5%/lvl bonus on profit, too. a lvl 5 trader would get 12,5% profit instead of 10% for al lvl 5 (!!!!!!) skill. plz tell a fighter he gets only 2,5% bonus for his surgical strike lvl 5 skill and he begins to cry. that trade skill is unbalanced anyway.
i wondered about the playerdriven economy, too. i was angry about, that such a easy skill isnt implimented, but most fighting skills are. then i heard in help channel, trade skill should be implimented together with player stations and so a next step towards player economy. seemed unreasonable to me why waiting with this skill so long. well, it still seems so to me. anyway, it may seems that trade skill is useless when player economy is there. but NPC trading is mostly commodity trading, and so player supply/demand independent. so nobody should fear trade skill will be wasted. but dont waste your time training it now (like i did  )!
but i would like a dev comment, WHY trade skill isnt implimented now.
BoNeck
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