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Auxilio Mena
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Posted - 2011.03.23 06:08:00 -
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not sure if this is the right place but since this is about questions....what is afk cloaking? what is the point? what does it do? things like that...
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.03.23 07:09:00 -
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you sit cloaked afk in a system
this is used as a scare tactic When at war u can cloak in a high sec system where u have war targets there. They see you in local and think that you're out to get them. So they dock up and hide. This effectively ruins their activities.
In 0.0 the same sort of thing applies but this time to ratters. The carebears kill belt rats and when they see other ppl in local they hit a safe spot and cloak or warp to a POS, again messing up their activity.
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.23 07:19:00 -
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It also disrupts bots which dock when they have visitors.
Again in null, you can leave a cloaked ship around for hours, or days even and then go hunting just when the inhabitants have gotten used to the "afk cloaker" in system. Then cloak up again for some time. *Really* irritating
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Wolfy2449
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Posted - 2011.03.23 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfy2449 on 23/03/2011 08:57:01
Originally by: Xercodo you sit cloaked afk in a system
this is used as a scare tactic When at war u can cloak in a high sec system where u have war targets there. They see you in local and think that you're out to get them. So they dock up and hide. This effectively ruins their activities.
In 0.0 the same sort of thing applies but this time to ratters. The carebears kill belt rats and when they see other ppl in local they hit a safe spot and cloak or warp to a POS, again messing up their activity.
Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.03.23 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfy2449 Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.24 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfy2449 Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
Hey, kitchens aren't dumb!
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Holdout
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Posted - 2011.03.24 15:26:00 -
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A kitchen is only as dumb as the person using it.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.03.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfy2449 Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
They may or may not be as dumb as you are. I can't tell. What I can tell is that there is no viable counter against AFK cloakers. Proper game design provides a counter to any possible move. Sadly CCP thinks of EVE as a online world instead of a game.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.03.24 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Wolfy2449 Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
They may or may not be as dumb as you are. I can't tell. What I can tell is that there is no viable counter against AFK cloakers. Proper game design provides a counter to any possible move. Sadly CCP thinks of EVE as a online world instead of a game.
If you can't defend against an afk 'presence' try moving systems. Just because you are unwilling to put any effort in does not mean there are no counters. ---
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Alonzo Harris
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Posted - 2011.03.24 17:09:00 -
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The whole "if it's AFK it can't do anything" is a stupid troll logic, only used by people who use cloakers while laughing at people who actually fall for said logic (mind you, I use cloakers).
A ship in your system is a threat if you have carebears around who want to do some ratting, mining or moving around their Iteron 5. Thing is ofcourse that if you would be a hostile in someone's system you'll get found out pretty fast (if they're moderately competent) and you'll have to log off if you're AFK. Meaning they will know that IF you're in system you're NOT afk and thus a real threat.
In comes the cloak; now you can only be found as you attack (or warp if you can't use covert cloak) and you can be AFK just fine. Thing is ofcourse that people can't TELL if you're AFK or not (thus the trolling logic) so you increase your effectiveness at suppressing carebearisms while at the same time numbing people down to your presence in local. Meaning they'll get bored and go rat/mine anyway, which is what you've been waiting for.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.03.24 18:10:00 -
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I already told you you can move system to carebear or provide a decent defence fleet if you insist on remaining in system.
It is not a troll reply, I don't waste my time cloaking in hostile systems and I certainly don't run up an electricity bill doing it afk.
The only people stopping the pve from happening is the person too scared to operate with a cloaked hostile in local. If defending your operations is too much to ask of you then maybe your corporation doesn't deserve to be in 0.0. ---
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
Originally by: Wolfy2449 Question: So people that whine in the forums about afk cloacking are just dumb kitchens that fear getting podded?
Hey, kitchens aren't dumb!
Go to teh station chicken WOMAN!!
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:47:00 -
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What people fear isn't a single bomber but a cyno field and with "super caps-online" even low sec two bit pirate corps have moms & titans these days, so chances of getting lol ganked by hostile fleet is quite imminent. Also people mostly whine about AFK cloaking because it's a PvP tactic that requires absolute zero effort to make you lose ISK as those sov upgrades have upkeep fees in case you didn't know. And cyno jammers won't work against bombers and covert cynos anyway.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.24 20:14:00 -
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It's zero effort to sit cloaked, but it does take some effort to get to the system in question, and also to attack every now and then so they still think you're a threat.
To get the AFK'er, you've got to bait him and jump him when he decloaks to attack, and if you get him, probe out his pod and kill it so he has to make the trip again. It's not easy, but what people get infuriated about is the fact that they can't get rid of the AFK'er when it's convenient for them, or easily.
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Holdout
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Posted - 2011.03.24 21:55:00 -
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ITT (and many others): People who want the rewards of nullsec with the safety of hisec.
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Alonzo Harris
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Posted - 2011.03.24 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Holdout ITT (and many others): People who want the rewards of nullsec with the safety of hisec.
You mean the cloakers? yeah they want 0.0 safety while they're afk or not in a position to fight. Or... was that not what you meant?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.24 22:38:00 -
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.03.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Frau Klaps If you can't defend against an afk 'presence' try moving systems. Just because you are unwilling to put any effort in does not mean there are no counters.
I have no problem with AFK cloakers because I can login an alt and happyly play on. That's why I don't whine on these very forums about AFK cloakers. What does not mean that I could not respond to a troll with a proper troll reply.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Frau Klaps If you can't defend against an afk 'presence' try moving systems. Just because you are unwilling to put any effort in does not mean there are no counters.
I have no problem with AFK cloakers because I can login an alt and happyly play on. That's why I don't whine on these very forums about AFK cloakers. What does not mean that I could not respond to a troll with a proper troll reply.
In other words you didn't like my opinion so you prefer to call me a troll rather than face the fact that I might just be right about something. ---
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Alonzo Harris
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:11:00 -
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nono, you're a troll.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.30 00:14:00 -
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The counter to cloakers is a channel called "local", their name will show up and so you'll know that they're around and can prepare any one of a hundred simple defenses (the simplest being to have someone fly some cheap EW ship and lock them down when they decloak to attack).
If they're AFK then they're not an actual danger to anyone, since people have to be at the computer to even do non-interactive stuff like gather intelligence... so I'm not sure what "the counter to AFK cloakers" means. Cloaked people that are AFK aren't a problem, it's the ones that are sitting there waiting for you to drop your countermeasures that you should worry about. ---
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 30/03/2011 07:11:02
Originally by: Lost Greybeard The counter to cloakers is a channel called "local", their name will show up and so you'll know that they're around and can prepare any one of a hundred simple defenses (the simplest being to have someone fly some cheap EW ship and lock them down when they decloak to attack).
If they're AFK then they're not an actual danger to anyone, since people have to be at the computer to even do non-interactive stuff like gather intelligence... so I'm not sure what "the counter to AFK cloakers" means. Cloaked people that are AFK aren't a problem, it's the ones that are sitting there waiting for you to drop your countermeasures that you should worry about.
Not a big thinker are you ? Try to wrap your head around that you cannot know if the cloaker is afk or not and your buddies damn well want to have something else to do then sit around waiting for hours for that cloaker to pop his cloak (besides only an idiot couldn't see your "trap" from "a local spike"). Hence there is no counter to afk-cloaking since you can only run or wait for hours to an end for that cloaker to move which he doesn't since he's at work which you cannot verify ever unless you watch that local for the next 23,5/7 to see if there's a pattern.
And that e-war ship isn't going to exactly help when you get a cyno full of lolgank moms or a bomber squad on your ass. Alone bomber dies to any ratting ship that has a competent pilot, those cyno buddies are what kills the ship.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 10:42:00 -
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It's a psychologic game on both sides. You "spike the local" with many ships which then go ratting, and if the afk cloaker gets desensitized to "local is spiked" then you can catch him. Etc. etc.
It's a tip-toe dance on both sides of the fence. The only valid reason for complaint is that the ratters aren't looking for a tip-toe dance, they're just looking to relax and rat. Tough.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken
Not a big thinker are you ? Try to wrap your head around that you cannot know if the cloaker is afk or not and your buddies damn well want to have something else to do then sit around waiting for hours for that cloaker to pop his cloak (besides only an idiot couldn't see your "trap" from "a local spike"). Hence there is no counter to afk-cloaking since you can only run or wait for hours to an end for that cloaker to move which he doesn't since he's at work which you cannot verify ever unless you watch that local for the next 23,5/7 to see if there's a pattern.
And that e-war ship isn't going to exactly help when you get a cyno full of lolgank moms or a bomber squad on your ass. Alone bomber dies to any ratting ship that has a competent pilot, those cyno buddies are what kills the ship.
So... the reason you can't counter cloakers is that you have a **** corp that can't be arsed to fleet up while doing their thing and warp to you when you call for help?
That sounds like less of an issue with game mechanics being unbalanced and more of a problem with your corp. Kind of like being unable to warp out before people start jumping in when someone drops a cyno on top of you sounds like a problem with your reaction time, not mechanics. A lone ship can't cyno and point you at the same time.
And I wasn't talking about a trap, I was talking about countering cloakers. All that takes is one buddy in a sacrificial frigate with some EWar. There won't be a local spike because it'll just be hanging out with you. I mean, you could set up a login trap or something with bait if you feel like playing with your visitor, but that seems like a lot of bother for a boat that really can't take more than one ship at a time without dropping a cyno -- and if they drop the cyno on you you'll see it and leave, or they'll drop it elsewhere and you'll see the grey in local and dock up. Not something it takes rocket science to escape, there.
Remember that only one ship has no targeting delay out of cloak-- the stealth bomber. And a T1 frig beats a stealth bomber in straight-up combat, no trickery or expensive **** necessary. ---
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Ezekeil Rage
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex Sadly CCP thinks of EVE as a online world instead of a game.
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ICheckPrices712
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: ICheckPrices712 on 01/04/2011 22:36:25 This thing must work better than i thought...My corp is currently in a war and I was orbiting a station at 45km because there were a couple reds in our system. I was the only one in my corp or alliance who was in sytem, and then eventually 11 enemies showed up, and started camping the system's only station. They probably thought I was docked up . This was definately helpful because I held up a bunch of them while my corp hunted other wartargets
EDIT: Posted with this character because my corp would be mad if I talked about our operations on forums
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KrustyKrab
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:41:00 -
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Quote: A lone ship can't cyno and point you at the same time.
My rapier, arazu, and hound (hero tackle) is filing an official objection to this statement...
We cloakers 'afk cloak' because we know people are stupid, especially carebears living in nullsec. Cloak for a few days and do nothing and the bears begin bringing out their shiny deadspace/faction/officer toys thinking you are just bluffing or possibly watching Dukes of Hazzard on CMT instead of hanging out within 15km of your 2bil+ tengu running a Sanctum, waiting for the right moment when your velocity is zero or you are already scram/web by NPC's or you get hung up on the rocks/station bits that might be around you.
Then bad things happen and it was worth the wait. Not to mention the plexing/ratting we do in your upgraded systems when you are asleep or somewhere else.
The counter to afk cloaking is don't be sleepy, lazy, stupid, bashful, dopey, sleazy, chunky, or any of the other seven dwarfs when cloakers are lurking.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.04.13 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: KrustyKrab
Quote: A lone ship can't cyno and point you at the same time.
My rapier, arazu, and hound (hero tackle) is filing an official objection to this statement...
I am genuinely curious how you manage that. Admittedly I only use a cyno cyno rather than a covert cyno, but when I pop it it deactivates my modules, including offensive ones like scram/point.
Has this been changed in the last couple months (I moved back to high recently, then into WHs)? If it has I'm going to swap to using a dual-repped BS for cyno generation in the future. ---
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KrustyKrab
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: KrustyKrab
Quote: A lone ship can't cyno and point you at the same time.
My rapier, arazu, and hound (hero tackle) is filing an official objection to this statement...
I am genuinely curious how you manage that. Admittedly I only use a cyno cyno rather than a covert cyno, but when I pop it it deactivates my modules, including offensive ones like scram/point.
Has this been changed in the last couple months (I moved back to high recently, then into WHs)? If it has I'm going to swap to using a dual-repped BS for cyno generation in the future.
I don't know about cyno stuff more than a year ago, but for the last year we've been BlOps'ing people and the cyno ship is always tackle (otherwise, the instant the cyno went up the target would just warp off and we'd not get the kills).
I also have no idea about regular cynos as I've never lit one, only covert. I can imagine reg cynos trying to tackle would be almost useless unless you were an Arazu/Lachesis/Proteus and had enough scram range to keep someone pointed while all the ships cyno in (carriers or whatever a Titan can bridge). Since force recons only need 30 seconds to light cov cyno before being able to move again, this is the best bet. Hero tackle bombers need 60 seconds, but they can be sacrificed easily if the target(s) are worth more than the bomber+fit.
This is why Arazu or Rapiers make the best blops tacklers. Arazu can have 70+ km point range (and remember things like panthers take FOREVER to lock anything smaller than a bs lol), 30-ish scram range, and Rapiers of course can point around 36 (overheated rep fleet) and dual-web them keeping them around long enough for BlOps ships to arrive.
Hero tackle bombers = 2pt scram + web + pray to the gods
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