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Angelcast
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Posted - 2011.03.24 20:32:00 -
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just wondering if anyone knows who is the best Mercinary corp/alliance in game im looking to join their ranks on my main
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.24 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 24/03/2011 20:48:07 I'd say, it depends on who you ask.
Its a pretty empty questions.. Best in what regards?
Most Kills? Most Effective? Most Hunting? Most Roaming? Most Patient? Biggest Active Member Base? Best Efficiency? Highest Number of Contracts? Highest Number of Wars?
If your looking for 0.0/LowSec Mercs, check out Noir. if you have low SP they have a training corp(Pretty sure their public channel is Cafe Noir.) If your looking for Empire/0.0 and like the thrill of the hunt, check out Snatch Victory If your looking for a sheer amassment of war targets, enjoy station camping/gate camping check out The 0rphanage.
Theres many more then that, those are just the names that pop into my head when I think about 'Merc Alliances'
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2011.03.24 23:50:00 -
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Pandemic Legion.
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Mistress Milana
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Posted - 2011.03.25 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Milana on 25/03/2011 05:56:09 Not trying to flame here, but I honestly think that Snatch is better Orphanage. Orphanage just uses way too much neutral RR. A reputable merc corp wouldn't use neutral RR. Most of Orphanage's kills is simply station camping market hubs
I would dispute that the "best" are found in the merc channels. Some good ones are there but I've seen the admin accept just about anyone calling themselves a merc nowadays.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.03.25 06:18:00 -
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PL, Noir ....
BTW .... Orphanage is high sec ganking band ... never thouhgt of them as a merc group.
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.25 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 25/03/2011 09:46:23
Originally by: Mistress Milana Edited by: Mistress Milana on 25/03/2011 05:56:09 Not trying to flame here, but I honestly think that Snatch is better Orphanage. Orphanage just uses way too much neutral RR. A reputable merc corp wouldn't use neutral RR. Most of Orphanage's kills is simply station camping market hubs
I would dispute that the "best" are found in the merc channels. Some good ones are there but I've seen the admin accept just about anyone calling themselves a merc nowadays.
We get paid to camp market hubs, its what we advertise as a service, we are not a surgical organization that will stalk out and annihilate a small corp for you; thats Snatch Victory/Noir's playground.
I keep hearing about RR and whatnot, yet I rarely ever see it. Besides since efficiency is apparently important, wouldn't you want the people your paying to kill other people to not die often? The 0rphanage is in it for the fights, as many as we can get (one could argue that we are in it for the kills as well, since thats just as true).
Some people swear by us, Some don't. We take contracts AND have fun.
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SomeHardLovin
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:34:00 -
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All of the above in their various niches. ---
Bring forth the Assault Frigate apocalypse! |
Angelcast
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Posted - 2011.03.25 18:55:00 -
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I wouldnt even think of PL as a Merc. corp, I just thought of them as the PVP alts of the indy guys in Northern Coalition lol
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.26 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Milana I honestly think that Snatch is better Orphanage. Orphanage just uses way too much neutral RR. A reputable merc corp wouldn't use neutral RR.
ROFLLOLOMGLOLROFLMAO...
Snatch Victory, not using RR?
Man I havn't laughed like that in ages.
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Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2011.03.26 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: Mistress Milana I honestly think that Snatch is better Orphanage. Orphanage just uses way too much neutral RR. A reputable merc corp wouldn't use neutral RR.
ROFLLOLOMGLOLROFLMAO...
Snatch Victory, not using RR?
Man I havn't laughed like that in ages.
Actually agree with you on this~
Noir.'s pretty much the only merc group I know of that don't use neutral RR. Genos is a pretty chill merc corp tbh.
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.26 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mickey Simon
Actually agree with you on this~
Noir.'s pretty much the only merc group I know of that don't use neutral RR. Genos is a pretty chill merc corp tbh.
I'm sure I'll get trolled to hell and back for saying this, but I'd rather rely on piloting skill then alt tab logistics skill anytime. Do we use them? Sure why not, but not in ******ed quantity; maybe A Oneiros, or 2 Guardians. Snatch, from experience, usually uses between 3-6 (some in alliance, some out), and I've seen 7 fielded in the past.
We've officially become accustomed to not being shot at (well mostly), although some other empire pvp types have been showing up- and its been pretty good for small scale fleet fights. Things comes and go... theres being a smug winner, and a sore loser, all depends on who you fly with I guess.
Ships will be lost on all sides, and if your mods aren't 85% burned out, and your not at 14% structure at the end, your not having fun.
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Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2011.03.26 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Actually agree with you on this~
Noir.'s pretty much the only merc group I know of that don't use neutral RR. Genos is a pretty chill merc corp tbh.
I'm sure I'll get trolled to hell and back for saying this, but I'd rather rely on piloting skill then alt tab logistics skill anytime. Do we use them? Sure why not, but not in ******ed quantity; maybe A Oneiros, or 2 Guardians. Snatch, from experience, usually uses between 3-6 (some in alliance, some out), and I've seen 7 fielded in the past.
We've officially become accustomed to not being shot at (well mostly), although some other empire pvp types have been showing up- and its been pretty good for small scale fleet fights. Things comes and go... theres being a smug winner, and a sore loser, all depends on who you fly with I guess.
Ships will be lost on all sides, and if your mods aren't 85% burned out, and your not at 14% structure at the end, your not having fun.
I honestly have no real problem with "neutral" alts. The problem is not that they're neutral, but that fights in hisec happen in situations where logistics just docks/jumps rather then needing to keep range like they do in almost every other situation. I myself have a logistics alt. She's in another alliance because I want to keep ties with them, and I only really use her when I'm roaming, or when I'm trying to get a fight where my opponents will bring significantly more then what I have (e.g. I'm in a vigil, they bring hurricane/drake/malediction). I don't keep it on station, because I don't see the point in being able to be forced to dock, or forced to jump.
YOINK use neutral alts in pretty much every fleet. They're ex-REPO mostly so that's not really shocking, but yes, generally 2/3 per fleet. You're encouraged to use alts to scout yourself etc which is cool, but the idea that you should use an alt rather then having someone fleet up and scout with you, or just be a man is a little .
AD0PT use neutral alts the same way Privateers did. Neutral reps on stations (usually 2/3 guardians) and neutral sensor boosters on station (especially in Jita). Not sure to what level you encourage alts, but I've never seen a member of Privateers or AD0PT without support. (actually got killed by an enyo while in a faction fit rapier because he had 3 guardians on him, that's when I though it was probably a good time to get my own logistics alt for those situations)
NOIR. don't bother with that, and just cloak up or ambush you at a gate.
Most of the other smaller corps/alliances tend to do one of the above.
Personally, using logistics just because you might lose a fight is a little ******ed. EVE is all about winning and losing, not just the winning. I fully understand why people have them, and I can understand why people might use them all the time but I don't really think that promotes good gameplay, or a challenge and therefore dont really have respect for people that use neutral logistics in fights where they already have the upper hand. That said, I would rather be ****ed off because of logistics, then ****ed off because of a falcon any day of the week. At least with logistics there's a little chance of doing something.
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Aviditas
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:51:00 -
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Pandemic Legion
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Sivor Detmen
Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:49:00 -
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I belong to a merc alliance and i have fought against the 0rphanage, Noir., Grunts, and a few others. I have also been in snatch for a small amount of time. From my personal experience Noir. are probably the best/more organized. But there are also other smaller merc corps/alliances that are very good.
Do some research about a few of them and choose the one that best fits your playstyle or what you are expecting from a merc corp. There are a lot of diferences in the way each of them operate/have to offer.
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567567
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:05:00 -
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The best way to answer this question is to see how these so called "good" merc corps fair against RvB.
Remember, RvB is full of clueless noobs, im sure someone with more time than i can find many quotes to this effect.
Now, if we look at the Ophanage they have war decced RvB 3 times in the last year. The pattern is the same every time, they take money off their clients, war dec RvB, and get their asses handed to them. The pitboss will come up with some lame excuse as to why they couldn't beat them be it "my mouse isn't working today" or "we didn't have time" or "my mom wont let me play"
Noir seem to have much the same problem, they tend to take your money, then send 5 guys down to sort them out, and get well and truly owned. Thats essentially what your paying for.
I dont think PL have ever wardecced RvB, so i cant answer as to how good they are outside titan blobbing or tornament play.
I was a member of repo industries a while back, but all they did was farm their own alts.
Good luck
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Wardecced Alt
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:27:00 -
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Confirming RVB is a problem and needs to be dealt with ASAP.
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Koronakesh
Amarr Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: 567567 The best way to answer this question is to see how these so called "good" merc corps fair against RvB.
Remember, RvB is full of clueless noobs, im sure someone with more time than i can find many quotes to this effect.
Now, if we look at the Ophanage they have war decced RvB 3 times in the last year. The pattern is the same every time, they take money off their clients, war dec RvB, and get their asses handed to them. The pitboss will come up with some lame excuse as to why they couldn't beat them be it "my mouse isn't working today" or "we didn't have time" or "my mom wont let me play"
Noir seem to have much the same problem, they tend to take your money, then send 5 guys down to sort them out, and get well and truly owned. Thats essentially what your paying for.
Oh hey, a statement from a starter-corp alt about Noir.Ö that doesn't come close to jiving with public data. That's pretty edgy of you.
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Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar THE FINAL 5TAND
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:16:00 -
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Merc work... Lemmy can call himself an old hand @ the business. In the end it doesn't matter if you use Neutral RR or not. In the end it is about happy customers and K/D ratios. Of the big merc corps I would have to put Pandemic Legion at the top. I've flown or fought against all of them. Repo back a year and a half ago was tops. Orphanage is a joke, I've ripped them apart in multiple small merc corps. Noir is kinda meh. Snatch = see orphanage. Yoink is also a joke. Privateers was meh. It all comes down to roaming ability, fighting spirit, and effectiveness. Alot of those big corps I have named, don't fight off of station, never roamed and let clients get slaughtered out of laziness, or engaged twice got butt-rapped and spent the rest of wars talking smack from station, or even funnier getting every one together with neutral RR, come find us, camp us in for 1hr. and smacking about their skills. And then hid in station once membership fell to a level that didn't allow a 3to1 advantage + Neutral RR. I've flown with the best in the merc industry. The big merc corps are well.. big... that's about all I can say about em. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus |
Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 30/03/2011 19:08:51
Originally by: 567567
Now, if we look at the Ophanage they have war decced RvB 3 times in the last year. The pattern is the same every time, they take money off their clients, war dec RvB, and get their asses handed to them. The pitboss will come up with some lame excuse as to why they couldn't beat them be it "my mouse isn't working today" or "we didn't have time" or "my mom wont let me play"
I can honestly say, every time we've dec'd RvB its been for fun, pure and simple. It has everything to do with having a boring week, and having a place to go lose ships at. Its also a learning tool to teach stubborn pilots that expensive isn't necessarily better and that a good fleet composition is everything; RvB is not just full of newbs and there are some quality pilots there.
Several pilots in Ad0pt and no doubt Noir. were in RvB at one point or another, and probably have alts there as well. Cool attempt at trolling though.
Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz Merc work... Lemmy can call himself an old hand @ the business. In the end it doesn't matter if you use Neutral RR or not. In the end it is about happy customers and K/D ratios. Of the big merc corps I would have to put Pandemic Legion at the top. I've flown or fought against all of them. Repo back a year and a half ago was tops. Orphanage is a joke, I've ripped them apart in multiple small merc corps. Noir is kinda meh. Snatch = see orphanage. Yoink is also a joke. Privateers was meh. It all comes down to roaming ability, fighting spirit, and effectiveness. Alot of those big corps I have named, don't fight off of station, never roamed and let clients get slaughtered out of laziness, or engaged twice got butt-rapped and spent the rest of wars talking smack from station, or even funnier getting every one together with neutral RR, come find us, camp us in for 1hr. and smacking about their skills. And then hid in station once membership fell to a level that didn't allow a 3to1 advantage + Neutral RR. I've flown with the best in the merc industry. The big merc corps are well.. big... that's about all I can say about em.
Thats alot of words for 'we pull decs after we get our ass kicked'.
Your also terrible.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.31 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Angelcast I wouldnt even think of PL as a Merc. corp, I just thought of them as the PVP alts of the guys in YOUR Coalition lol
Fixed for ya bro.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:14:00 -
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Mine.
(Trollolol) -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Firnas
Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.04.01 06:55:00 -
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We do use nuetral RR in big fights.
We don't carry around RR with us on every roam, and our primary mode of operation is small groups with a neutral covert ops scout tracking down targets.
We do not manage to stuff more than 20 or so people into a fleet for a large battle, so sometimes when fighting upwards of 30+ people we use some reps.
I freely admit using neutral rep. I also do not permit station hub camping as the means of operation in our alliance. I would say the first response in this thread is accurate.
Noir goes out in the boonies, we hunt down people and track the hard targets, and roam into low and 0.0, and Orphanage has lots of decs.
With regards to Mickey Simon, I think perhaps you miss the concept, which is why you had to leave. Scouting ahead with an alt that is in the alliance is counterproductive to hunting targets. When you jump into system with a red star on your alt, it tends to alert people.
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Sombike
Caldari Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.01 14:22:00 -
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Sup?
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Justin4554
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Posted - 2011.04.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Firnas our primary mode of operation is small groups with a neutral covert ops scout tracking down targets. I freely admit using neutral scouts for log on traps on stations and gates.
fixed
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.01 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Justin4554
Originally by: Firnas our primary mode of operation is small groups with a neutral covert ops scout tracking down targets. I freely admit using neutral scouts for log on traps on stations and gates.
fixed
Doesn't make them any less able or efficient.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.04.01 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Firnas blah blah blah
Does Lukka still have your Loki trapped in Pator Tech?
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Firnas
Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:13:00 -
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No, I totally moved that.
Was an amusing series of conversations though. We'll have to do it again sometime.
Also, while we do use nuetral scouts ( it is stupid not to ), and we do use neutral rep, we don't really bother with log on traps.
Sometimes people that don't scout well don't know where we came from. That's just us being pro. It has nothing to do with login traps.
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Socio Stan
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Posted - 2011.04.05 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Socio Stan on 05/04/2011 05:45:09
Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz In the end it doesn't matter if you use Neutral RR or not. In the end it is about happy customers and K/D ratios.
These are the most true words in this thread. All that matters is making your customers happy. If you die too much because you don't bring the required RR to a fight, you will not have a happy customer. If you encourage your WTs to not engage you because you bring too much RR to fights, you will not have a happy customer.
Finding the right balance is all about making your WTs believe they having a fighting chance, when they really don't. That basic priciple is key to merc success when there are no space assets to take; whether you gain your advantage with RR, general combat tactics, or by any other means, it does not matter so long as you are able to give them that hope of victory to keep them fighting and dying. |
Deen Wispa
Gallente Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.04.05 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Deen Wispa on 05/04/2011 21:42:20
Everyone has their own goals in the game and define "fun" differently. To say that making customers happy is the end goal is a bit,well, myopic. Now if that is *your* end goal, then of course, bring in the neutral RR.
For some people, they define fun as making people cry. Hence, use every game mechanic to your advantage.
For others, they define fun as being able to intellectually challenge yourself by not using neut RR and learning to win with the limited resources you have at your disposal. It's a slippery slope that we certainly argue for many threads. But just my thoughts on the matter.
To OP: I am not a merc but I do believe every merc corp has their own playstyle and it would behoove you to understand the type of contracts they accept which will have an impact on your pvp playstyle. For example;
Noir accepts contracts that will take them to the boonies. Are you willing to travel that much just to shoot people and work within their framework?
The Orphanage is known for station camping market hubs and the pipelines that go to them. Some corps join their alliance and they think they'll get seek and destroy missions only to be dissapointed. They decced us a week ago and several of their member corps left during that time. I can only infer that that is normal because some of the corps don't do their homework on Orphanage's playstyle and become dissapointed. They just hear Orphanage and think they get all sorts of pew pew but don't understand the type of pew pew. (thanks for bringing the fight to Gicodel last week btw. that was a fun one )
And the list goes on and on. Point being; Do your homework! -----------------
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Miss Byro
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:19:00 -
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just out of curiosity are you looking to hire or to join ? If one is considered the best. still doesn't mean its the right person to hire or join.
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