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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi what brain ??
Exactly. Now go and search your brain and stop *****shipping some CCP.
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Nipps McChesty
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:50:00 -
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I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
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Mizukage Madara
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:51:00 -
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well .. atleast we try maybe we can change something but i realy doubt that (maybe the CCP will realise where this leads.. and will stop it.. now all we can do is wait relax... and enjoy the rest .
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mizukage Madara now all we can do is wait relax... and enjoy the rest .
this pretty much
either enjoy the game or leave (and if you leave sell your stuff and sent it to plex for good :=)
there are games out were you can farm mindless npc for 24 hours over and over again if that suits you better
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Mizukage Madara
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Posted - 2011.04.02 02:00:00 -
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well we are gone wait and see anyway was a honor to meat you all .. fly safe good luck and god bless you all. O/
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Mac Omon
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Posted - 2011.04.02 02:52:00 -
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Oh well, back to World of Warcraft.
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Lost'In'Space
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nipps McChesty I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
Yeah, because 0.0 carebears are going to come out and admit that anomalies needs to be nerfed.
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Skaarl
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Nipps McChesty I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
Yeah, because 0.0 carebears are going to come out and admit that anomalies needs to be nerfed.
no it was the outdated 0.01% of griefers who couldn't adapt to the dominion changes and were dying that greyscale is catering to here. apparently he wants them to stay while the other 99.99% of eve go.
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Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:44:00 -
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So when you all go back to high sec to farm level 4's and then CCP nerf those too; Are you going to let the tears flow again for that?
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BinaryData
Gallente Segmentum Solar Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Omon Oh well, back to World of Warcraft.
you must be desperate.
I'll just quit gaming. I'll keep my cash. The 45$ a month I spend will go to beer, and other stuff.
CCP Greyscale, can I have your address so I can kick you in the testicals for being a self-indulgent wiener?
kthxbai!
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
look at it from a larger PoV
the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose
now look at certain alliances
they are far beyond that point they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps ) not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally now you just shrug it off
what this change will bring is imo
- renters will pay less or stop paying at all - the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan and so on
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
This is a good post. It's the truth.
CCP fuxxed their game when they made the ISK faucets open. They need to reel it back in, because the way the status quo is, its going to get stagnant and die soon(tm).
This change will cause major friction inside coalitions. I don't care how much BFF spam we get. Pets will fail, and leave. For all the short-sighted "This hurts individual player" hb we get, equally, what are alliances, (and indeed, coalitions) made of? Individual players. The "elite" and alliance leaders are nothing without the grunts to allow them to play chess.
Someone up the thread said something about losing 30 guardians, and needing the anoms just to be able to keep up. That's the point. If your FC is leroying 30 guardians, time to get a new FC. You should die as an alliance/coalition, because you aren't very good. Its sad that you feel a sense of entitlement enough to demand that you can replace this near instantly in an Eve timescale.
Moons should be next, then lvl 4s, then dynamic truesec (several good idea's have been floated).
Ruptures can be fun, I promise...
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.02 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nipps McChesty I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
I love how the 0.0 populace is able to take an objective look at Eve and realize that the game is out of balance.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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A90EDA27
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Posted - 2011.04.02 04:43:00 -
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Greyscale is fick.
People living in 0.0 to 0.2 will just go back to levels 4 - no one is interested (at a player level) in these. No one will want to live there and they will become wastelands like lo-sec is now. Moon goos will continue to be harvested by big alliances (again like lo-sec)
People living in 0.6 to 1.0 will repel invaders with pimped out supercaps.
So, basicaly, CCP want to solve the lag by driving players back to empire. What motivation is there left for a player to progress to 0.0?
Was this change asked for by the players or CSM? Was there any consultation with the players or CSM? What is the ****ing point of CSM? tbh this change makes me feel like saying **** you CCP, what's the ****ing point if the goalposts keep changing?
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.04.02 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Nipps McChesty I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
I love how the 0.0 populace is able to take an objective look at Eve and realize that the game is out of balance.
-Liang
I love how trolls fail to notice that Greyscale said this change isn't meant to change the high/low/0.0 income balance, just shift the exciting 0.0 income further into the hands of the rich. Unless trolls don't have a dictionary and are unaware of what the word 'balance' means.
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BinaryData
Gallente Segmentum Solar Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.04.02 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin Edited by: mkmin on 02/04/2011 04:47:55
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Nipps McChesty I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.
I love how the 0.0 populace is able to take an objective look at Eve and realize that the game is out of balance.
-Liang
I love how trolls fail to notice that Greyscale said this change isn't meant to change the high/low/0.0 income balance, just shift the exciting 0.0 income further into the hands of the rich. Unless trolls don't have a dictionary and are unaware of what the word 'balance' means.
Originally by: A90EDA27 Greyscale is fick.
People living in 0.0 to 0.2 will just go back to levels 4 - no one is interested (at a player level) in these. No one will want to live there and they will become wastelands like lo-sec is now. Moon goos will continue to be harvested by big alliances (again like lo-sec)
People living in 0.6 to 1.0 will repel invaders with pimped out supercaps.
So, basicaly, CCP want to solve the lag by driving players back to empire. What motivation is there left for a player to progress to 0.0?
Was this change asked for by the players or CSM? Was there any consultation with the players or CSM? What is the ****ing point of CSM? tbh this change makes me feel like saying **** you CCP, what's the ****ing point if the goalposts keep changing?
Yeah, there's a 3rd party piracy/griefer forum that CCP takes more seriously than it's own forums. That's who they are catering to. That's where they got the idea from.
You put CCP and the word "balance" in the same comment. You should be ashamed of yourself. There is NOTHING balanced about this game. Take mom's for instance, overpowered to high fcking hell.
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WisdomPanda
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.02 05:20:00 -
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I'll start with saying; I don't support the changes.
It's not to say that I think it will ruin nullsec, or that people won't be able to do fights anymore, as big fights still happened before Dominion. But rather, it's because I feel that CCP could attack this issue form many more sides before going for an individuals income source. Many of the goals listed, for example, have no feasible way of coming true just by fiddling with some anomalies.
The idea that people will starting looking for better space is silly; not only is it a logistical nightmare to relocate an entire alliance of any large size, you're also unlikely to find enough good quality space to satisfy all your members. Not to mention any outposts you've put up, giving your corp/alliance a home base that you would be unwilling to leave.
There won't be more conflicts if people think they need to spend more time earning the isk to get their ships back. Whether they do or not is not relevant, if they believe they will, it will hurt 'good fights' all around. Also personally, I love scap fights. I love watching multiple fleets on field at the same time trying to duke it out. My only wish is that we could have some 5,000+ man fights with multiple sides, instead of the standard 1v1. Titan's and super caps are still expensive as heck to replace, but that doesn't come out of anoms...
Newer alliances will have no easier time of getting space as they do now; as it stands, they always get either the rubbish space or the meat shield space. While it might be less isk to kill pirates in a -0.2 sec system, if you can do it uninterrupted because the cloaky tengu's are down bothering the guys in the -1.0, chances are you'll still break about even.
Coalitions will not be less stable either. BFF spam aside, you don't turn your back on allies for what will equate to a marginal increase of players funds, at the potential cost of putting valuable moon minerals out of reach and even putting allies offside. Bro's over foes, man.
Jump Clones, Jump Bridges, Titan Bridges and Jump Drives make almost all 'strategically inconvenient' systems easier to manage. Any system that isn't the system I'm in is strategically inconvenient for me, but I manage that by using the tools you've provided to make life a little easier. ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon. |
Prester Tom
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Posted - 2011.04.02 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale Buy PLEX!
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Anah Karah
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.02 06:22:00 -
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Wow..... just wow....this is a SEVENTY SEVEN (77) PAGE THREAD telling you how bad this idea is. do i need to elaborate any further? no?
If you want to improve this game, maybe you should listen to the people who play it? Because if you really want to understand what living in 0.0 is like, maybe you should try it? Oh wait that would involve actually playing EVE. Sorry i forgot...
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Lost'In'Space
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Posted - 2011.04.02 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skaarl no it was the outdated 0.01% of griefers who couldn't adapt to the dominion changes and were dying that greyscale is catering to here. apparently he wants them to stay while the other 99.99% of eve go.
99.99% of eve are not in 0.0
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Bawsk
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Posted - 2011.04.02 06:34:00 -
[2300]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS5IHVKRzwc
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Elisa Vilerum
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Posted - 2011.04.02 06:35:00 -
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all this wow/post domininon 0.0 care bears need to quit eve and i hope they will.
amount of tears is epic i tried to read all pages but couldn't take it any more,amount of pathetic is epic,so i scrolled just to make sure ccp is still on it glad to see they too are bull**** intolerant.
on an more light note when u scroll rly fast same wiener faces are all u can see.
have an good day.
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Degara Farat
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.02 06:55:00 -
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READ THE F^%$#*G NEWS
Pure Blind is going to be hit the hardest by these changes, yet this is the only nullsec engagement that gets in the news in the last week.
Clearly there is no need to execute these changes to promote conflict over alliance anomalies since its all about Technetium Moons. Proof delivered!
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Natasha Voljova
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Posted - 2011.04.02 07:25:00 -
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I thought devs wanted to boost lowsec for a few years? I thought its a wasteland? I still think it is.. Now certain parts of 0.0 will also become a wasteland nobodys interested in.
Oh and this is my third account, I just cancelled the subscription after reading patch notes that they are going to go forward with the anom changes.. Its not much of a dent in CCP's coffers, but it is a dent I can make.
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Z4smoker
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Posted - 2011.04.02 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
99.99% of eve are not in 0.0
o`rly ?
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Vortx JR
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Posted - 2011.04.02 07:31:00 -
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We are on april 2 nd and i don't see the :
" Ha ha ha ha ha it was a joke for 1st april ".....
Well, we gonna have fun for sure .... Lots of empty space to do empty stuff with no war or fights for empty space in 3 days!
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Imigo Montoya
Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.02 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Degara Farat READ THE F^%$#*G NEWS
Pure Blind is going to be hit the hardest by these changes, yet this is the only nullsec engagement that gets in the news in the last week.
Clearly there is no need to execute these changes to promote conflict over alliance anomalies since its all about Technetium Moons. Proof delivered!
Actually, the moons are just a means of forcing a fight (in this case atleast). There have been plenty of invasions of the north that came, took some moons, and stirred up some trouble. The key thing that they all got out of the whole ordeal was fights. None of the invaders have kept any valuable moons for long.
So that just lends to the 'model of causality' thinking nerfing anomolies will promote conflict being flawed. Most fights in 0.0 (big and small) happen because people want to blow stuff up, simple as that. If fights happen, the attackers get satisfied and end up leaving. If not, they keep pushing until the other side either fights or flees. Getting good ratting space really isn't much of a factor in driving conflict.
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Makumba Aki
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Posted - 2011.04.02 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Consider all the renters alt accounts for cynos, logistics and stuff. It is not realistic to assume that a huge number of players will leave but it is very realistic to believe that they will not pay for additional accounts that will not serve them any longer. So even concerning this side of the matter this has to be a joke rather then a well thought plan.
thats why ccp is so great they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts
they think their game is in "danger" and react if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here
CCP would be great if they would remove JBs.
There are 2 options: 1) This change is either extremly stupid, because nerfing some 0.0 areas below high sec profitability will simply drive people out of there.
2) Or this change is only a part of a series of changes (e.g. nerfing high sec income and thus making bad 0.0 still more profitable), in this case CCP fails to communicate this correctly.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2011.04.02 08:20:00 -
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I am embarassed by the dronning carebear whine in this thread. Some people are making good arguments. But the overall drone is becoming painful. The people who are quiting are worse. Meh.
I don't beleive CCP are implementing this change for the reasons they claimed. I don't know if the change is going to effect the game positively or negatively. I feel that small renter groups and non-blob non-pvp 0.0 entities are getting the shaft. 0.0 is more vibrant with more people living in it.
So I feel hesitant about this change.
At the same time a thing I said to a friend when we were talking about how our allince was doing comes to mind. I said, "We could live under a shoe if it came to that. If there was pvp under there." I feel a certian pride in that statement. I will (and have) enjoy pvp if I get reduced to t1 cruisers nibbling at the edge of blob space. I will kill their tackle frigates. I will engage the carebear ships totally outgunned. I can deal with difficulty. I was a nano-*** before the great nerf. I had to learn how to fight with a scram instead of a disruptor.
I have broken the gate camps in PF-346, EC-P8R, and HED-GP many times. I spent two weeks waking up after midnight so I could fight the russians in N-RAEL at downtime. I have stalked the loot pinata that is Sigarii Kitawa. I have fought the darkside drake blob. Sometimes I even won. I have raided through the NC in light nanoships and run heavy fleets against them. I have had PL try to fire doomsdays at me. I ganked carbonfury's stabber fleet issue left over from the alliance tournament in FD-MLJ on the PF-346 gate and ran before the blob landed.
I saw the glory that was RRBS before bombers wiped it away. I saw what is was like to try to kill the old sniperhac gangs with shield bc, tackling one after another. I fought for npc space in PC9-AY and E02-IK. I was there for the southern coalition's invasion of geminate, and the final MAX campaign.
I remember the chinese botters of Hevrice and the neverending killmail stream that came from the Raneilles gate. I've lot my pod to the Rancer smartbomb bs camp. I know about the only belt in Ostingele. Old Man Star? I fought there. Heck, I remember the rabbits in Lonetrek lowsec. I paid my dues as a noobie in 4C-B7X losing drakes to Pirate Kiliran.
And I've ganked Garmon's Machariel. I was there when Cult of War spent a week baiting Quam's supercap fleet into a gank in the Uanzin system. Dang, I fought Quam in Covryn outside of Stacmon. I was there when the hammer came down on ATLAS, raiding them with small fleets. I was there when AAA took their space back from Initiative Mercenaries. I hit and run no trademark so many times that SK Rooster calls me a *** anytime he sees me. I did battle with the DICE capital fleet on the station in E02-IK using subcaps. And I won.
I didn't do that by whining or quiting every time I got hit with the nerfhammer or CCP changed some aspect of the game in a way that hurt my playstyle.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.02 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita I am embarassed by the dronning carebear whine in this thread. Some people are making good arguments. But the overall drone is becoming painful. The people who are quiting are worse. Meh.
< lotsa stories >
You brought me back old memories . I was so new to the game yet this was all so fun. Then RL sh!t happened and I got nerfed and unable to do anything of value for Dark Rising (so I left, and I miss them every day. But I don't want to be a dead weight).
Anyway what is really awful is not this specific nerf.
It's the change in player base. When I started back in the '90s, there were text MUDs that make EvE sound like a LOLeasy trip. In 2003 I played a MMO where you had a dozen of quests (no ! on the NPCs heads ofc, no cheesy "tip" or maps web sites) then HTFU and grind to multiple 100 levels with unbonused and group happy mobs.
Then came WoW and it catered to "everyone". And now it's the model "everyone" want to impose on every MMO. The mild theme park with no lame nor fame. This thread is exactly a testament to this minsets change.
Once you EARNED the right to be in 0.0 because being able to BE there (not to lazily farm supercaps) was the accomplishment. Now it's handed on a silver platter, bridges removed every difficulty, stupid NPC ISK pinhatas spawned on demand.
Is this EvE? NO
At the same time what was sh!t in the past, like having static moons giving an almost forever unbeatable edge to those who got there is not going to be touched at all.
Big thumbs down both to the theme park-ies AND this completely short sigthed partial change by CCP.
The former just don't get it, the latter just don't get it.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita I am embarassed by the dronning carebear whine in this thread. Some people are making good arguments. But the overall drone is becoming painful. The people who are quiting are worse. Meh.
< lotsa stories >
You brought me back old memories . I was so new to the game yet this was all so fun. Then RL sh!t happened and I got nerfed and unable to do anything of value for Dark Rising (so I left, and I miss them every day. But I don't want to be a dead weight).
Anyway what is really awful is not this specific nerf.
It's the change in player base. When I started back in the '90s, there were text MUDs that make EvE sound like a LOLeasy trip. In 2003 I played a MMO where you had a dozen of quests (no ! on the NPCs heads ofc, no cheesy "tip" or maps web sites) then HTFU and grind to multiple 100 levels with unbonused and group happy mobs.
Then came WoW and it catered to "everyone". And now it's the model "everyone" want to impose on every MMO. The mild theme park with no lame nor fame. This thread is exactly a testament to this minsets change.
Once you EARNED the right to be in 0.0 because being able to BE there (not to lazily farm supercaps) was the accomplishment. Now it's handed on a silver platter, bridges removed every difficulty, stupid NPC ISK pinhatas spawned on demand.
Is this EvE? NO
At the same time what was sh!t in the past, like having static moons giving an almost forever unbeatable edge to those who got there is not going to be touched at all.
Big thumbs down both to the theme park-ies AND this completely short sigthed partial change by CCP.
The former just don't get it, the latter just don't get it.
Thanks for your very touching life story. I almost had tears in my eyes while I couldnŠt care less.
On the subject you are so fecking wrong. There is no RIGHT to be earned to live in nullsec. There is only isk to be made to be able to live in nullsec. If you cannot compete iskwise then you will loose your ability to stay in nullsec. If you got enough isk then you will mount your ship and go out to see if you can make things explode (remember this is the whole idea in this game) Big Alliances donŠt care at all for anomalies as they have propper income from moongoo. Small alliances that started to settle down in nullsec after dominion will be screwed as they spent most of their isk and effort to upgrade a system that is now completely useless. Players are screwed as they donŠt have personal income to replace ships. So how in the world could anyone with just half a brain come up with the idea that such changes would fire up fights in nullsec? It will kick out at least 80% of the renters. Large fights will be about the moongoo. Small end medium scale pew pew will not happen as they concentrate people in hotspots. These hotspots will either be perma camped or be defended by huge blobs (remember concentrating fish means concentrating sharks). Big alliances will get richer and richer and produce more and more supers. Small alliances will be back in highsec and never again make them a home in nullsec (high risk for no isk). Nullsec will be empty except some hotspots. How could anyone with just half a brain come up with the idea that this would lead to an interesting nullsec? It will just feck up nullsec the same way lowsec was fecked up.
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