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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2011 19:30:42 snip
-Liang
Liang, I don't like this anymore then you do; in fact I find this quite distasteful.
However, this is not the first bat**** crazy idea that someone in CCP has had, and I would hate it even more to come back to these forums in 6 months time to see a blog from someone saying that killing nul-sec was in fact a bad idea and that they are going to give it another go, when everyone has already left, and the game is dead.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:48:00 -
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Considering that CCP wants to make the game more difficult for players, if people were NOT making cry baby threads I would think they were doing a bad job at reaching their goals.
This thread probably puts CCP Grayscale that much closer to getting a raise.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
Where do YOU work? I demand that YOU be fired from YOUR work for posting such threads, how would that reflect on THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR?
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2011 19:30:42 snip
-Liang
Liang, I don't like this anymore then you do; in fact I find this quite distasteful.
However, this is not the first bat**** crazy idea that someone in CCP has had, and I would hate it even more to come back to these forums in 6 months time to see a blog from someone saying that killing nul-sec was in fact a bad idea and that they are going to give it another go, when everyone has already left, and the game is dead.
The problem is that everyone's just knee jerking so far, and nobody's even sat down and looked at what the dev blog said. Hell, half the people still think there's going to be no high end plexes at all below 0.8 space - and that just displays a complete lack of reading the dev blog at all.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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aycee
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jelek Coro So, the changes effectively role things back to pre Dominion?
Good.
Only a problem for people who rent... otherwise, tool up and take a nice spot.
now if we could only lose the supercap buff and the new sov system too :|
I'll keep the aoe dd change though.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 26/03/2011 19:54:59 I absolutely don't support any call to fire any CCP employee (unless it's a case of corruption like T20). They are all valuable cogs in the design process, and this is something I want CCP itself to handle.
Forum whining should have a limit, no? Constructive criticism guys
edit: I'm TOTALLY for asymmetrical space. There should be things for 0.0 people to fight over, and I think there's currently not enough stuff to fight over or defend other than of course, killboard stats. The idea is sound.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:55:00 -
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Strategic resources (moon minerals, true sec values etc) really need to be more dynamic so you have areas that become depleted (less valuable) over time and other lesser used areas become more valuable so there is always an incentive to go out and fight for space.
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SO Chong
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:55:00 -
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@ OP: The game is being developed and has a certain idea behind it and that is that the game has to be hard. Rewards aren't there easy. This game has it's drive in conflicts.
Posting to fire a CCP employee because he isn't giving you enough "bacon" as you like is a bit childish. Isn't it?
Posting here telling the rest of the community that you are effected in a bad way by this event is ok...but keep the "Fire the dude" or "I am leaving" to a minimum if you want to be taken seriously by most of the normal people on these forums.
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Cailais
Amarr Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:56:00 -
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Dear OP,
CCP Greyscale has added some excellent features to EVE in the past.
Seeing as I've never heard of you I think its probably for the best if you unsub all your accounts and donate all of your stuff to the first noobie you see before the door hits you on the way out.
kthxbye.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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SmashTech
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Strategic resources (moon minerals, true sec values etc) really need to be more dynamic so you have areas that become depleted (less valuable) over time and other lesser used areas become more valuable so there is always an incentive to go out and fight for space.
Look, Eyjog was having trouble managing to respond to basic questions such as "How many PLEX are there in-game?" (despite the numbers already being published) so don't get your hopes up about someone figuring out that
TECHNETIUM IS BROKEN AND CCP SHOULD BE ASHAMED
but don't expect a fix until after we get our scars and tattooes.
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Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
Look at these tears.
STAY THE COURSE, GREYSCALE. ONLY YOU CAN SAVE US.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: SmashTech but don't expect a fix until we spend a bunch of PLEX on scars and tattooes.
FYP ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Mak Gruber
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:05:00 -
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OP is just a little upset that he may not be able to sit on his fat ass, while letting his sanctum carrier make his billions.
All high end r64 moons should be moved to WH space.....and the current ones should start slowly depleting. You want to start seeing real wars, cunning and betrayal? .....Watch what happens when supply's slowly start to dwindle.... and the pvp in whs...would bring it back to what I think we all want.
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Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:06:00 -
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Aaaaawwww... Show us on this doll where Greyscale touched you on your carebear parts.
-- "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: SmashTech TECHNETIUM IS BROKEN AND CCP SHOULD BE ASHAMED
What are you talking about? Technetium is awesome.
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Mastertz
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:10:00 -
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So many tears over rats.
I'll say it again and again: "Carebear tears are best tears."
Don't quit, I enjoy blowing up your expensively fit T3s and Carriers.
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Korasen Abora Sayara
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:14:00 -
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Desert Ice78 needs to be either moved to a place where he will no longer post on the forums, or else banned from EVE Online.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Desert Ice78 remains in a position to post on these forums, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Desert Ice78 is a beancounter. He reads a devblog without grasping what it means and then makes judgements that affect forum threads based upon what the voices in his head are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his forum post states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Desert Ice78 is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Desert Ice78 leaves or we will.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:19:00 -
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Op sounds like a carebear in 0.0 ratting all the time. Whats the matter little girl did big bad CCP take away all your sanctums so you can no longer rat. Did the big bad CCP make it so you have to put effort into the game to earn money?
Awww poor baby, Hello kitty online is that way.
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Thisby My O'face
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Kane Edited by: Galen Kane on 26/03/2011 19:38:43 This is EvE.
Harden the Fu*k up.
This.
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Alexi Komanov
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
Well, since you're leaving I wouldn't mind your stuff...
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Komanov
Originally by: Desert Ice78 CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
Well, since you're leaving I wouldn't mind your stuff...
Alexi, I honestly wish I actually had something worth giving to you...
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
Originally by: Space Wanderer
???
I read the devblog, I am a (sort of) carebear, and I don't see the problem. Maybe if you stopped whining and explained the reasons why you think that is a bad decision (so bad that it requires to demote its creator) I might even have agreed with you. Maybe. As it stands now the arguments of greyscale (more strife, more drama, more strategy) seems convincing to me. He might be wrong but since you didn't bother to present your reasons I have no reason to beleive otherwise. So congratulations, your effective post has convinced me that Greyscale is right.
Anyway, the OP needs a serious attitude adjustment.
The reasons are that he is proposing changes, the results of which will be the exact opposite of that which he states are his intentions. THAT is the problem. If you, like Greyscale, are having trouble understanding this, you need to look through this thread, and this thread and this thread.
Your issue is not with Greyscale, nor the changes that he and his team propose, but rather with the fact that you do not want to have to fight for what you have. You and your friends are happily ensconced in your areas having set everyone around you to blue while you run your isk printing sites.
These changes will force you to actually work to keep those sites. No longer will you be able to just set people to blue and go about your business. You will have to be constantly watching over your collective shoulders for the inevitable strike from a neighbour who wants your slightly better space for himself. This is exactly how things have played out over the entire length of human history.
There is always going to be someone who wants what you have, and the way the system runs at the moment this kind of behaviour has become stifled to the point of non-existence. The only thing these changes will bring about is a return to a normal state of affairs, and that is what has you all so angry. You believe that you are entitled to what you have, that it is some sort of divine right perhaps? Clearly you are all deluded, and this has burst your little bubble.
It would serve you well to remember that you are not the only people in this game, you are not the only people wanting a slice of the pie and now you are going to have to actually fight for your supper instead of singing the song of NAP. Your insistence on the sacking of a valued member of staff only serves to highlight your clear self serving bias and will only confirm what many of us already suspect, that there are too many people getting far too comfortable in EVE. Remember this, EVE is not designed to look like a cold, harsh place. It IS a cold, harsh place.
Maybe its time you were reminded of this.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Originally by: Space Wanderer
???
I read the devblog, I am a (sort of) carebear, and I don't see the problem. Maybe if you stopped whining and explained the reasons why you think that is a bad decision (so bad that it requires to demote its creator) I might even have agreed with you. Maybe. As it stands now the arguments of greyscale (more strife, more drama, more strategy) seems convincing to me. He might be wrong but since you didn't bother to present your reasons I have no reason to beleive otherwise. So congratulations, your effective post has convinced me that Greyscale is right.
Anyway, the OP needs a serious attitude adjustment.
The reasons are that he is proposing changes, the results of which will be the exact opposite of that which he states are his intentions. THAT is the problem. If you, like Greyscale, are having trouble understanding this, you need to look through this thread, and this thread and this thread.
Your issue is not with Greyscale, nor the changes that he and his team propose, but rather with the fact that you do not want to have to fight for what you have. You and your friends are happily ensconced in your areas having set everyone around you to blue while you run your isk printing sites.
These changes will force you to actually work to keep those sites. No longer will you be able to just set people to blue and go about your business. You will have to be constantly watching over your collective shoulders for the inevitable strike from a neighbour who wants your slightly better space for himself. This is exactly how things have played out over the entire length of human history.
There is always going to be someone who wants what you have, and the way the system runs at the moment this kind of behaviour has become stifled to the point of non-existence. The only thing these changes will bring about is a return to a normal state of affairs, and that is what has you all so angry. You believe that you are entitled to what you have, that it is some sort of divine right perhaps? Clearly you are all deluded, and this has burst your little bubble.
It would serve you well to remember that you are not the only people in this game, you are not the only people wanting a slice of the pie and now you are going to have to actually fight for your supper instead of singing the song of NAP. Your insistence on the sacking of a valued member of staff only serves to highlight your clear self serving bias and will only confirm what many of us already suspect, that there are too many people getting far too comfortable in EVE. Remember this, EVE is not designed to look like a cold, harsh place. It IS a cold, harsh place.
Maybe its time you were reminded of this.
You are wrong, my issue IS with Greyscale.
He can kill nul-sec all he wants, he can hand the power-blocs all the pie he wants, he can destroy nul-sec pvp all he wants, and he can turn whole swaths of nul-sec into a lifeless and barren wasteland if he likes, but what he cannot do is tell me that he wants to induce more pvp, and improve nul-sec for everyone and break up the large coalitions when even the most basic understanding of nul-sec living will tell you that if you make the changes that he is proposing, then that is the last thing that is going to happen.
I don't care about the changes, I care about the ignorance of the changes, because THAT is what will eventually kill this game.
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Commander TGK
Gallente The Deep Space Armada
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 I'm a total douchebag
Seconded
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Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:19:00 -
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I agree, it is obvious that Greyscale is acting alone and with no input, whatsoever, from anyone, at all, outside his realm of influence, which is changing null-sec, in this case. Please remove him asap so the next person who replaces him can be removed in a timely manner as well!
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
You are wrong, my issue IS with Greyscale.
He can kill nul-sec all he wants, he can hand the power-blocs all the pie he wants, he can destroy nul-sec pvp all he wants, and he can turn whole swaths of nul-sec into a lifeless and barren wasteland if he likes, but what he cannot do is tell me that he wants to induce more pvp, and improve nul-sec for everyone and break up the large coalitions when even the most basic understanding of nul-sec living will tell you that if you make the changes that he is proposing, then that is the last thing that is going to happen.
I don't care about the changes, I care about the ignorance of the changes, because THAT is what will eventually kill this game.
It may have escaped your notice but CCP staff do not get to release updates, patches or game changes without it going through a very thorough vetting process. For a start CCP Greyscale undoubtedly works with numerous other employees who are on an equal footing with him. Next is the fact that every single change he talks about will have been passed through various hands, some below him and without a shadow of a doubt some higher than him.
You can rage all you like and claim that it is only directed at Greyscale, but it should be clear to most people here that the truth is as I stated it. You are attempting to make yourself seem reasonable by attacking an individual while at the same time claiming that you don't care about the actual changes he is proposing. Then you claim you do care about the changes but only so far as their effects on you. If you cannot see how imbalanced this actually makes you appear then I fear no amount of talking on here can help you.
You also seem to think you speak for someone other than yourself when you say "we". It is unwise to assume you speak for anyone other than yourself as I am pretty certain that those you claim to speak for will not be standing by your side when you are left with only the option to quit the game as you threatened to do. CCP will not be firing CCP Greyscale because he has broken no rules or laws. What he has done is to be part of a team that has come up with a solution for the stagnant NAPfest that nullsec has become.
You can attempt to justify your attitude any way you see fit, but don't think you are fooling too many people.
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:20:00 -
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Its ****ing terrible that we sat at a 0.0 roundtable for an hour talking about pos mods being outside poses etc and he didnt even bother to bring up this devblog and changes during it so we could pas judgment (read = Excorsism)
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:25:00 -
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I vote Greyscale stays and gets a pay raise.
Since this is internet democracy, my vote counters OPs vote and he should stay right where he is.
neener neener neener. ♥
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren stuff
-Liang
yes certainly some people are over reacting but if you want people to be out in nullsec you need to give them something to do. and there are other changes that imo could be better done to do that. providence was pretty much worthless for years and imo that was the only reason cva held onto it.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Orkasm Its ****ing terrible that we sat at a 0.0 roundtable for an hour talking about pos mods being outside poses etc and he didnt even bother to bring up this devblog and changes during it so we could pas judgment (read = Excorsism)
I mean no offense, but what makes you think you are entitled to that? The changes he proposes are the only thing that will revitalise 0.0 and may even have the added bonus of attrcting people into low-sec in preparation for a life in 0.0
A stagnant society will die, and 0.0 has become stagnant. How many whine threads are dotted around the forums concerning the endless NAP trains that dominate much of 0.0 life? How many threads are there from smaller alliances begging for a chance to get into 0.0? How many threads are there going in to extreme detail about the unfair distribution of resources in 0.0 and how they are available ONLY to massive alliances?
When you take even a cursory glance over these threads it becomes clear that there is, and has been for a while, a major imbalance in the way 0.0 functions with regards to resources and also the way in which alliances function within that space. The OP is angry that he will now have to consider actually working to hold space that presently remains mostly uncontested owing to the perma NAP trains that permeate most of 0.0
These changes are needed, no discussion should be had about their implementation, CCP cannot always listen to the players much in the same way that parents will not always listen to their children. In this instance people like the OP are like children asking for candy for dinner, and CCP are the parents telling us we have to eat our veg first.
Seems the OP can't stomach a decent meal, or a fight.
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