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Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 09:55:00 -
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Which missiles should I use in a ship with no bonuses to damage types? |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:01:00 -
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scourge |
Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:02:00 -
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So if I stick to EM/Scourge, I should be covered for all missions, right? |
Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising P R I M E
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:19:00 -
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I would stick with EM and / or kinetic, unless you need Explosive and / or Thermic.
After a failed career as a comedian i decided to take up piloting. My flying techniques have got more laughs than my jokes ever did.....
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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:20:00 -
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why you want em? |
Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:22:00 -
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Mainly Blood Raiders and Guristas, occasionally Angels and Sansha. |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:27:00 -
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EM for Bloods and Sansha, kinetic for Guristas, explosive for angels, simple. |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:29:00 -
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wasn't sure why you're asking about EM in topic about gurista :) |
Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:31:00 -
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Thanks guys. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:00:00 -
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I'm guessing you're newly sitting in a Drake, in which case because of the kinetic bonus Mjolnir and Scourge are good enough for you (I think they're called Mjolnir now, whatever - the EM ones).
Once you get into a Raven/CNR you will want missiles of each damage type to swap according to the mission you're running. |
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Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:14:00 -
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Not so much. I'm preparing to fly SNI in 2-3 days which gives me more freedom of choice with damage types which is why I'm asking. In a Drake I'd just use Scourge on everything and on the rare occasions Scourge doesn't work, I'd switch to Mjolinir. In the Scorpion it seems I'll pretty much be using the same strategy. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:21:00 -
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Yeah, the Guristas' primary resistance hole is kinetic. They also have some weakness to thermal damage, so Gallente drones (with their increased damage multipliers) will work well, perhaps even better than Caldari drones.
I suppose the rule of thumb for missiles would be Scourge for Guristas and Serpentis, Nova for Angels, Mjolnir for Blood Raiders and Sansha. There's an EVE University reference chart here: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_Damage_Types |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
297
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:22:00 -
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SNI doesn't get a damage type bonus iirc so you'd be better off using missiles according to the mission you're running.
Edit: beaten by Marc Callan. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:24:00 -
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Thanks again. |
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:10:00 -
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Easy rule for all NPC rats, they dont tank the damage they deal themselves, e:
blood/sanshas/amarr empire : deal primarily em and thermal, cant tank em and thermal
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angel cartel/minmatar : deal primarily explosive, then kinetic (with little em), and tank explosive the least, then kinetic. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:40:00 -
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as a mission runner myself I usually carry mission specific missles however there are many times I carry atleast 1000 of each damage types and FoF scourge for good measure. in the mission Arnie scarlet you end up carrying atleast the way I just wrote cause you'll use most of all types. SNI great choice keeps you safer. |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:48:00 -
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Nestara Aldent wrote:Easy rule for all NPC rats, they dont tank the damage they deal themselves, e:
blood/sanshas/amarr empire : deal primarily em and thermal, cant tank em and thermal
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angel cartel/minmatar : deal primarily explosive, then kinetic (with little em), and tank explosive the least, then kinetic.
Except rogue drones.
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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:07:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Nestara Aldent wrote:Easy rule for all NPC rats, they dont tank the damage they deal themselves, e:
blood/sanshas/amarr empire : deal primarily em and thermal, cant tank em and thermal
or
angel cartel/minmatar : deal primarily explosive, then kinetic (with little em), and tank explosive the least, then kinetic. Except rogue drones.
True! |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:51:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Yeah, the Guristas' primary resistance hole is kinetic. They also have some weakness to thermal damage, so Gallente drones (with their increased damage multipliers) will work well, perhaps even better than Caldari drones.
Since you brought it up, no. For drones you want Caldari for Guristas and Serpentis, Gallente for Blood Raiders, Sansha, Rogue Drones, mercenaries, and elite Angel frigs, and Minmatar for other Angels.
Marc Callan wrote:I suppose the rule of thumb for missiles would be Scourge for Guristas and Serpentis, Nova for Angels, Mjolnir for Blood Raiders and Sansha. There's an EVE University reference chart here: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_Damage_Types
This. Plus thermal (Inferno now?) for mercenaries. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:53:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Marc Callan wrote:Yeah, the Guristas' primary resistance hole is kinetic. They also have some weakness to thermal damage, so Gallente drones (with their increased damage multipliers) will work well, perhaps even better than Caldari drones. Since you brought it up, no. For drones you want Caldari for Guristas and Serpentis, Gallente for Blood Raiders, Sansha, Rogue Drones, mercenaries, and elite Angel frigs, and Minmatar for other Angels.
Huh. I'll have to pick up some Hornet II's and Vespa II's and check that out; I honestly thought that the Gallente drones' damage multipliers offset the resistance difference, given that they seem to do a good job for me when it comes to shredding Gurista rats. (I know for a fact that for projectiles, like 1400 artillery, Phased Plasma's thermal damage packs more of a punch against Guristas per bullet than Titanium Sabot's kinetic damage, but that's probably because Plasma's a shorter-range round.) |
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Selw kotsidakia
Three Deep Cuts
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:24:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Marc Callan wrote:Yeah, the Guristas' primary resistance hole is kinetic. They also have some weakness to thermal damage, so Gallente drones (with their increased damage multipliers) will work well, perhaps even better than Caldari drones. Since you brought it up, no. For drones you want Caldari for Guristas and Serpentis, Gallente for Blood Raiders, Sansha, Rogue Drones, mercenaries, and elite Angel frigs, and Minmatar for other Angels. Huh. I'll have to pick up some Hornet II's and Vespa II's and check that out; I honestly thought that the Gallente drones' damage multipliers offset the resistance difference, given that they seem to do a good job for me when it comes to shredding Gurista rats. (I know for a fact that for projectiles, like 1400 artillery, Phased Plasma's thermal damage packs more of a punch against Guristas per bullet than Titanium Sabot's kinetic damage, but that's probably because Plasma's a shorter-range round.)
They do about the same damage to Guristas especially but since the caldari drones have better speed and tracking than the gallente/thermal ones, they have better damage projection. On the other hand, thermal drones cover already a lot rat types so using them on guristas also doesnt hurt. Its up to personal favor to spend isk and time to switch to caldari/kin ones.
Personaly i never use kinetic drones exept for Wardens. I do missions in Amarr space and there i come across 3 missions with guristas rats(The assault, Intercept the saboteurs, Dread pirate scarlet) where i use the thermal ones with Wardens(Ogre, Garde, Hobs and Wardens). If i did missions in Caldari space, i would also use kinetic drones (setup would be Wasps, Garde, Wardens, Hornets). So after all its up to personal favor to use caldari drones for guristas. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:53:00 -
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Drone damage comparison:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhzdGHNl5YBQdEllYzBtSE5pbTdvc2JLU0plNVRyOEE
Note the one discrepency: there's a common Angel elite frig with really ****** up resists that I didn't use as a comparison point. For that specific type, thermal is hands down better. (These guys if you're curious.) Oh, and Spider Drone IIs have uniform resists, meaning thermal wins. The spider drone line in the spreadsheet refers to Is.
Best choices in each category are bolded. Speed is, of course, not taken in to account; where thermal is only marginally a better choice you might be able to make an argument for dropping to the second choice (usually EM; applies to elite BR/Sansha/Drones but only the elite versions so...)
Edit: none of this applies to sentries. Just in case that wasn't clear. |
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