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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:34:00 -
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Hey CCP, would you consider offering it for 200 x PLEX ? Or, you know, ~3500 USD/EUR.
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Tom Fulleride
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:36:00 -
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I am guessing you hit the 200 Plex mark in game. Offering lifetime subscriptions would appear to me as a money grab by CCP before a planned closing of the game. :: does not want ::
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:36:00 -
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Posting in a stealth buff of Money->ISK conversion thread.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:38:00 -
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Not sure if serious. Wondering if I am posting in an AkitaT troll thread? See, that feels wrong saying that. Has miilla somehow hacked Akita's account? If not, and is serious, why would you want a lifetime sub? And who is to determine exaclty what a lifetime is?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/03/2011 16:44:28
Originally by: Tom Fulleride I am guessing you hit the 200 Plex mark in game.
More like over 1000 if I liquidate everything and get all my loans back.
Quote: Offering lifetime subscriptions would appear to me as a money grab by CCP before a planned closing of the game. :: does not want ::
If they were offering it at 250 to 350 USD/EUR (or 14 to 20 x PLEX), or something in that ballpark, maybe 3 year's worth of sub tops... then yeah, I'd consider it a money grab for sure too. But not at 10-20 year's worth of sub.
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys why would you want a lifetime sub?
I suppose I could just buy and apply 200x PLEX and call it almost as good as a lifetime sub, but, meh, not the same. The advantage(s) ? CCP gets a truckload of guaranteed funding NOW they can use (or a huge liability at least partially written off in the books). I get the guarantee that I can't lose my account even if I go broke both in RL and ingame for any reason.
Quote: And who is to determine exaclty what a lifetime is?
That's easy. EVE's lifetime or player lifetime, whichever's shorter. _
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:44:00 -
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most guys I know, myself included, paid ccp about a year's worth of subs before earning enough isk from relatively not a lot of effort to buy plex. so if you consider ccp gets about ú180 out of us before we drop off their invoicing system, they need either a lot of new players or a lot of people buying plex to keep the revenue coming in no? so offering a lifetime sub would be worse for them long term, as we'd no longer need to buy plex, to create demand for plex and so on.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge Posting in a stealth buff of Money->ISK conversion thread.
Quoting a troll who fails at making ISKs as much as he fails at making real money. --
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/03/2011 16:49:37
Originally by: Holy One offering a lifetime sub would be worse for them long term
Yes, theoretically, under perfect circumstances... and no, practically, given the current most likely situation.
3500 USD/EUR put in the bank at 4% interest rate per year equals 140 USD/EUR, more than one year's worth of sub. CCP still has outstanding debts (or so the financial papers they published a few years ago seemed to indicate), which almost with no doubt need to be paid off at interest rates higher than 4% per year. Financially speaking, it would make more sense for CCP to offer a lifetime sub at this particular price rather than charge you on a yearly basis.
The only question is, would anybody want it at THAT price ? I know I would. But who else ? _
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:49:00 -
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maybe it's not a troll but a market manipulation thread :) ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En Edited by: Raid''En on 28/03/2011 16:58:04 maybe it's not a troll but a market manipulation thread :)
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Originally by: Akita T
The only question is, would anybody want it at THAT price ? I know I would. But who else ?
200 plexes means more than 16 years of sub... seems ridiculous to me. you really think the game will still be here in 16 years ?! o_O
and anyway, imagine the money you would be making in 16 years... think about what you were earning when you began and what you earn now. then think about the same for the future. don't seems a very inetresting investissement to me. moreover plex price may collapse a lot on long term (of course it can also raise a lot :p) a lifetime sub is interesting when it's less expensive than the real cost. so if 16 years is interesting your need... well something like 20 years at least...
at 4-5 year worth of plexes (50-60 plexes) i would think about it, and good chance i'll take it. but 200 plexes... no way.
you're way too rich Akita_T to think as 200 plexes as nothing :P
Well, unless akita is planning on cashing out the isk for rl money, where are you gonna use all that isk anyway?
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:07:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a lifetime sub, but I'm far too cheap to shell out money for one . I feel bad for the people who bought lifetime subs for Lord of the Rings Online only to see it go free to play as time passed. Champions Online was getting a lot of flak offering lifetime subs before the game was even out, but that's a different bag altogether.
I'm trying to contemplate what possible long term effects this could have on PLEX pricing and availability, which I'm sure you already have figured out anyway. Most people would still purchase month-to-month as normal I'm sure, but I wonder if CCP would eventually sell PLEX bundle packs with a bulk discount.
What are your thoughts? And mind throwing a few PLEX my way?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En you're way too rich Akita_T to think as 200 plexes as nothing :P
Not nearly rich enough There's plenty even richer
Originally by: Herrring Well, unless akita is planning on cashing out the isk for rl money, where are you gonna use all that isk anyway?
Bingo. Lifetime sub = me likey _
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring Well, unless akita is planning on cashing out the isk for rl money, where are you gonna use all that isk anyway?
what ? you mean rmt ? o_O ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:54:00 -
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I was going to say something, but then I decided not to. That is all.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Hey CCP, would you consider offering it for 200 x PLEX ? Or, you know, ~3500 USD/EUR.
Uhuh.
The reason PLEX got changed to a REAL in-game item was......
Less merchant fees as no structural "debt" - well not once you make it imaginary
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/03/2011 18:02:18
Originally by: Chribba I was going to say something, but then I decided not to.
So how many PLEX would you pay for a lifetime sub ?
Originally by: Othran The reason PLEX got changed to a REAL in-game item was less merchant fees as no structural "debt" - well not once you make it imaginary
Not quite. As long as PLEX remains unapplied to an account, it's still a liability in CCP's books.
There are significant enough differences between: a) one single account with 100 PLEX applied to it b) one single account with 100 PLEX in hangar c) 100 accounts with 1 PLEX applied to each d) 100 accounts with 1 PLEX in each hangar _
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:03:00 -
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Over 9000
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darwpromtheus Over 9000
Considering it's highly unlikely a person will live to play more than, say, 75 years, the upper limit would be around 900 PLEX. It would make no sense for any player to pay that much up front though. In fact, even 35 years is stretching it rather badly, so let's call it 400 PLEX absolute maximum. Considering CCP is certain to remain in business for a long period of time, the lower limit for them to want to offer it is wherever the breakeven with their bank loans occurs. Say they have to pay 10% yearly interest on their debts and they collect ~130 USD/EUR per year from people that would want to take the lifetime offer, the lower limit would be around 1300 USD/EUR, or around 75 PLEX.
So, a lifetime sub can not ever be offered for a price below the equivalent of 75 PLEX, and it would make no sense to cost over 400 PLEX. IF you would be intereted in getting one, how much would you be willing to pay for it, in between those numbers ?
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:13:00 -
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a lifetime of eve... are you kidding?
As if it's not bad enough that CCP still has graphics from 2003 this would completely kill development. Why upgrade when the money is already paid for, this would KILL eve online development.
Think about it some more.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen Why upgrade when the money is already paid for, this would KILL eve online development. Think about it some more.
YOU think about it some more. There's over 300k subscribers right now. Do you think more than 3000 would ever get the lifetime sub at a cost of even just 100 PLEX ? It's a drop in a bucket, the overwhelming vast majority of people would still pay on a monthly basis. _
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: cyndrogen Why upgrade when the money is already paid for, this would KILL eve online development. Think about it some more.
YOU think about it some more. There's over 300k subscribers right now. Do you think more than 3000 would ever get the lifetime sub at a cost of even just 100 PLEX ? It's a drop in a bucket, the overwhelming vast majority of people would still pay on a monthly basis.
300k subscribers, are you serious?
Let me ask you this, how many alts do you pay for? Think you're the only person with alts?
That number is inflated because MOST players in eve have 2 accounts or more.
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Wadaya
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:20:00 -
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I think around 1,000 USD or 60 plex would be acceptable. Average player sticking around for 1 year if i recall one of the statistics from an old QEN article. Getting 5 years worth of income would be ideal. At least with Eve you know you wouldn't be shafted like those poor kids who paid for a lifetime sub on Champions Online, and then it went F2P barely a year later.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen over 300k subscribers, are you serious?
Ok, correction, over 300k paid-for accounts, guaranteed to exist. In terms of "lifetime sub" cost point issues, only number of accounts matters, how many people those might mean is irrelevant.
Quote: That number is inflated because MOST players in eve have 2 accounts or more.
Actually, only between 20% and 25% of players have more than one account, according to CCP data released in the past (they don't know absolutely for sure either, they haven't bothered digging deep enough to get more precise numbers). It just SEEMS almost everybody has more than one account, that is easily explained : people that tend to have more than one account are those people that log in more often and stay online longer. _
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: cyndrogen on 28/03/2011 18:43:07
So let's say 75,000 accounts sign up for a lifetime. (25% of user base, based on your numbers)
at 14.95 X 200 plex = 2990, lets round it off to 3k.
75,000 x 3000 = 225 million USD.
That would bring more development to the game and basically fuel their next gen graphics engine.
Ok I see where you're going with this, long term those players get better development because CCP can hire better artists and help develop faster to keep up with current technology.
Eve online is definitely in trouble and DUST needs to outperform in market saturated with FPS games. Problem with shooters is their generally low lifespan.
I see what you did there. Ok, I support your idea. As long as CCP doesn't pull a goon tactic takes your lifetime and retires.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 28/03/2011 18:50:38 I'd take them up on the offer (not for 200 plex, maybe for 50-100), although I doubt I could afford a lifetime sub on 8 accounts (some to think of it, maybe so )
CCP won't ever offer it because it would lock them into a monthly subscription model for payments. Who knows what the MMO landscape will look like in 10 years... probably even more micro-transactions.
More reasonable would a 100 plex 1 time charge in exchange for 1 plex per month as long as the game is running... like social security eve style
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: BlackSparrowHawk on 28/03/2011 18:58:29
Originally by: cyndrogen
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: cyndrogen Why upgrade when the money is already paid for, this would KILL eve online development. Think about it some more.
YOU think about it some more.
There's over 300k subscribers right now.
Do you think more than 3000 would ever get the lifetime sub at a cost of even just 100 PLEX ?
It's a drop in a bucket, the overwhelming vast majority of people would still pay on a monthly basis.
300k subscribers, are you serious?
Let me ask you this, how many alts do you pay for?
Think you're the only person with alts?
That number is inflated because MOST players in eve have 2 accounts or more.
You're also forgetting that not all 300k accounts are active ;) Infact the majority of that 300k accounts are inactive (i'd guesstimate ~200k.) The remainder are accounts that get logged on on odd ocassion for skill update, alts and main, which averages out to 60k a night peak time over aperiod of amonth.....hmm laid out like that it doesn't sound like much come to think of it.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk which averages out to 60k a night peak time over aperiod of amonth.....
hum, guy you understand that if there's 60k people at peak time it means there's others people at other time at the day, and so way more than 60k different accounts logged by day, right ?
back to subject ; for 50-100 plexes i would consider it. however that's way too expensive to use this for more than 1 account may be more interesting for them to make cheaper price to have way more people taking it.
or why not a system where the price depend on when you created your account ? like 2003 players pay less for lifetime than 2009 players ? (ps : i'm not 2003 at all :p) ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk You're also forgetting that not all 300k accounts are active ;) Infact the majority of that 300k accounts are inactive (i'd guesstimate ~200k.)
Bullcrap.
The numbers made public by CCP are for active, paid-for accounts. The QEN usually has them in graph form. We're actually closer to 350k active accounts than 300k.
Server usercount stats You can eyeball that at around 30k accounts online on average at a minimum, probably higher. There's not quite 24 hours of online time, but close enough. If all of the above numbers are correct, that means that the average EVE player spends around 2 hours per day on average logged in. 2 hours per day does not sound low at all if you ALSO consider the fact that the average INCLUDES all the people that log in just to change skills. _
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T 3500 USD/EUR put in the bank at 4% interest rate per year equals 140 USD/EUR, more than one year's worth of sub.
Which bank is giving that much interest? And why would anyone, that knows how money works, put it in a bank in the first place? No, CCP would invest it at an average of 12% and turn it into a real chunk of change.
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Captain Muscles
Caldari Clan Farthammer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk Edited by: BlackSparrowHawk on 28/03/2011 18:58:29You're also forgetting that not all 300k accounts are active ;) Infact the majority of that 300k accounts are inactive (i'd guesstimate ~200k.) The remainder are accounts that get logged on on odd ocassion for skill update, alts and main, which averages out to 60k a night peak time over aperiod of amonth.....hmm laid out like that it doesn't sound like much come to think of it.
I'm confused. How can two thirds of the active accounts be inactive? What's this strange feeling... Why am I disappea
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