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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:12:00 -
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Do you really think that sov holding alliances care about sanctums and havens? They have JUST been introduced, they managed damn well without them before. These are just goodies for the players to make isk, that is all. Alliances DO NOT depend one single bit on these.
Infact the care that much that they rent almost all systems out at even more silly prices! and they will continue to do so, even if they get a little nerfed.
Alliances do not fight over true sec of systems, never have never will.
They fight over MOONS! yes thats it MOONS! and this is where ALL the money comes from for alliances mainly. You have to nerf moongold not bloody anomolies thats for 0.0 players to make isk, for ships and stuff.
Also do you not realise that doing this, doesnt help small alliances or corps? you have done absolutley nothing to help small alliances get into 0.0 at all. The large entities still hold the region and the stations! Small alliances cannot hold sov, because the larger alliances with thier 200 super cap fleet comes in and removes them in an instant. They cannot form logistics, because they cant get through 0.0 without getting slaughtered and they cant make JBS cos they cant get sov. Seriously do you have even a little clue? Unless you drastically change how 0.0 works, small alliances will never have the chance in 0.0 ever! Without either paying stupid amounts of rent, or getting killed constantly.
So onto moongold, you have to do something about this! and one solution is randomise the moons on a monthly basis. Stop having constant flow of moongold! Every month the minerals change, so the powerblocs dont just have massive income and become invincible, where they can build super after super after super, and lose without ANY CONSQUENCE! its ridiculous.
This means that they will have to go out and search for those moons, and of course this will cause more of the pvp you want in 0.0, because everyone will want to find those moons! Even smaller alliances will then have a chance to make some isk for at least a month!
YOU HAVE TO REMOVE/CHANGE THE CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE THAT IS MOONS!
The same alliances have controlled eve 0.0 for years now, and will continue to do so for ever, because they have a massive advantage over all others. I see eve just becoming a chinese server again, I mean its pretty much russian server as it is!! And yes some alliances have died, but only to other big alliances, or fail cascade, but the same old people just get recycled into the other big alliances anyway.
YOU MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE! THAT IS MOONS!
ps : make supers uninsureable..eek!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Do you really think that sov holding alliances care about sanctums and havens?
The rebalance of nullsec anomalies is about reducing ISK faucets.
Quote: YOU HAVE TO REMOVE/CHANGE THE CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE THAT IS MOONS!
Moon goo is not an ISK faucet.
Closing some ISK faucets will help stem the tide of super carrier proliferation, increasing the possibility of meaningful conflict over the static point source incomes of moons.
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Col Callahan
Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Col Callahan on 28/03/2011 23:41:59 /signed
This is the true problem with the game at the moment. Static sources of income are not good for eve anymore, they were in the beginning of the game but we need to move past this and evolve a new era of eve.
Remove -Moon miners -Static Anom's Upgrades -Belts
Add -T2 Dynamic Mineral Moons that can be scanned with a ships on board scanner and mined with mining ships. -Boost Anom's with normal rats and make them spawn on a lvl that belt rats spawn now. -More DED belts in every system in the game.
That would fix most of eves current problems over night IMO. . . . I heard you the last time. |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.29 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Col Callahan Edited by: Col Callahan on 28/03/2011 23:41:59 /signed
This is the true problem with the game at the moment. Static sources of income are not good for eve anymore, they were in the beginning of the game but we need to move past this and evolve a new era of eve.
Remove -Moon miners -Static Anom's Upgrades -Belts
Two off those things mentioned have no effect on true income.
A person only makes money off of moon mining if someone wants to buy what he gets. Same with belts.
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas They have JUST been introduced
It was at this point that I knew this was either a really bad troll thread...or the OP has no clue about most of this stuff Don't click on this. No, really, don't, it'll make your eyes bleed. |
Spazz21
Amarr Angha Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.29 19:59:00 -
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No.
While I agree the upcoming changes to combat sites isn't good, but the changes to moon goo is not needed.
Alliances don't want to spend the time or effort moving POSs to keep an income. This would require an enormous amount of time and people to scan for moons each month or whatever cycle. Players want to blow stuff up.
Also take into consideration, during the time of scanning and moving, that would be less amount of materials moon mined per month, which would drive supply down and prices would go up. Thank you, but T2 stuff is already getting expensive as is.
Having a "Dynamic" Moon goo would not let the smaller guys make money as once they are spotted, they go boom by the guys with the SCs.
"Every month the minerals change, so the powerblocs dont just have massive income and become invincible, where they can build super after super after super, and lose without ANY CONSQUENCE! its ridiculous." <<< Supers don't come from moon goo, people do have to still mine for the materials. So if your changes did go in affect, Industrialists would complain as they would have less business and everyone would complain as T2 would become even more absurdly expensive. And just to go ahead and answer your counter arguement. No, you can't put a POS on every moon. The sov changes main purpose was to get rid of having all the moons covered with Towers.
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Spazz21
Amarr Angha Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Col Callahan Edited by: Col Callahan on 28/03/2011 23:41:59 /signed
This is the true problem with the game at the moment. Static sources of income are not good for eve anymore, they were in the beginning of the game but we need to move past this and evolve a new era of eve.
Remove -Moon miners -Static Anom's Upgrades -Belts
Add -T2 Dynamic Mineral Moons that can be scanned with a ships on board scanner and mined with mining ships. -Boost Anom's with normal rats and make them spawn on a lvl that belt rats spawn now. -More DED belts in every system in the game.
That would fix most of eves current problems over night IMO.
Ok, get rid of Belts. And no more minerals? That's awesome.... You know you can't upgrade a system without having to start ratting in the belts or mining in the belts right?
Who is going to want to mine moons? Ice and roid mining is already boring enough. We don't need the game to be more boring. We need it to give us isk and let Miners build stuff for pvpers so the pvpers can have fun and blow **** up.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:24:00 -
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point sources of income like moons are the best driver of conflict in this game and removing them is the sort of ******ed thing a worthless empire pubbie wants
it shouldn't be tech though even though our 40 technetium moons are wonderful
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:27:00 -
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Moon depletion wouldn't help.
Iterating on alchemy or tweaking T2 manufacturing requirements might, though.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon Moon depletion wouldn't help.
Iterating on alchemy or tweaking T2 manufacturing requirements might, though.
What moon depletion (and subsequent replenishment of unmined moons) would do is create a lot more conflicts and a lot more competition. Prices of moon related stuff may rise or fall, depending on how inflated their current values are.
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas whargarbl
TLDR - I started Eve after someone else did, and it's not fair they have an advantage.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard What moon depletion (and subsequent replenishment of unmined moons) would do is create a lot more conflicts and a lot more competition. Prices of moon related stuff may rise or fall, depending on how inflated their current values are.
No, what you'd see is reduced incentives towards territorial conquest ("why bother fighting to take those tech moons, by the time we secure the region they'll be about ready to despawn and go somewhere else"), megablocs encouraged to hold larger areas of unused space so that the next random respawn is more likely to be in their territory, and a secondary advantage to larger alliances who have the manpower resources to carry out regular co-ordinated moon-scans.
The underlying problem that should be resolved is the hilarious disparity between Tech (and to a lesser extent, Neo) and everything else, not static deposits.
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Kronos Hopeslayer
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
YOU HAVE TO REMOVE/CHANGE THE CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE THAT IS MOONS!
The same alliances have controlled eve 0.0 for years now, and will continue to do so for ever, because they have a massive advantage over all others. I see eve just becoming a chinese server again, I mean its pretty much russian server as it is!! And yes some alliances have died, but only to other big alliances, or fail cascade, but the same old people just get recycled into the other big alliances anyway.
YOU MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE! THAT IS MOONS!
Lets take a closer look at whats changed in 0.0 only recently:
Atlas - Dead, not dead, and dying some more AAA - Lost all their space, and then gets it back BoB/IT - Dead, to rise again? NC losing space, gains it back, losing some more
This is all in the last 6 months or less. In the last 3 years I've lived in 0.0 you can watch this video to see what I've lived through. Dominion came out Dec 2009, enjoy the 2010 0.0 explosion. Fast forward to 1:45 to skip nothing changing for about a year and a half.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWFoDHEcAI&feature=related
The only thing truthfully unchanged is the North. But we've successfully repelled 3 invasions during this time, and currently fighting off the 4th one now and taking the largest losses in history doing so.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:05:00 -
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Razer and MM have remained untouched mostly because they have been so far away from the frontlines of coalition conflicts for the last 3-4 years.
I've pointed this out before, I will point it out again: if CCP wants to break up the coalitions, they have to extend the distance caps can jump. To break up a coalition, an invader needs to be able to hit different parts of the coalition to keep defenders bouncing around. As it is, coalition fights end up being static line defense for the most part. This leads to little more than wars of attrition, where the little/new guys always lose.
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Trin Javidan
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Trin Javidan on 30/03/2011 15:20:38 Moons do not pa for plex's anomalies do. Why do u think plex price start raising? This anomaly nerf is here because most people in 0.0 have several account. With anomalies they can make enough iskies to pay with plex for them (they wernt able to do that before). This hurts ccp's wallet. This effect is much worse than L4's in high sec because most L4 dwellers have only 1 account. Miority of steady eve players are the 0.0 ones.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trin Javidan Edited by: Trin Javidan on 30/03/2011 15:20:38 Moons do not pa for plex's anomalies do. Why do u think plex price start raising? This anomaly nerf is here because most people in 0.0 have several account. With anomalies they can make enough iskies to pay with plex for them (they wernt able to do that before). This hurts ccp's wallet. This effect is much worse than L4's in high sec because most L4 dwellers have only 1 account. Miority of steady eve players are the 0.0 ones.
First time I've seen the argument that more active accounts is bad for CCP's finances.
(you're pretty stupid)
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.03.31 10:17:00 -
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@OP: All ISK faucets needs to be addressed and reading the blog it looks like they may well be. Plexes were just first because it was the easiest to do.
There is way too much ISK and it is way too easy to get at .. even without bots/macros. The infinite ISK has removed the risk/reward part of Eve so it is just like any other grind MMO where the only objective is to get the biggest baddest +5 Sword of Doom.
Originally by: Bagehi if CCP wants to break up the coalitions...
Wrong. That would merely serve to make blobs even more mandatory and reinforce the NAP mentality.
What they need to do is remove the raison d'Otre of blobs by replacing EHP sovereignty with smaller objectives and making basic sovereignty features vulnerable to small scale assault .. - When the US/CHN war breaks out (matter of time, too much ego on both sides ) would you really expect the US to use brute force against a force five times its size?
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.03.31 11:01:00 -
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YOU MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CONSTANT ISK MAKING MACHINE! THAT IS BOTS!
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