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Egor SMERSH
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:29:00 -
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Im for donations to Japan but do not use PLEX for donations. CCP should set up a donation program so players can donate money. Why didnt CCP set up a money donation program? Because it would cost them money and time to set up the program. Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes. Do you really think all the money from PLEX for Good goes to Japan? Thier are handling, overhead and any other costs CCP can think of to add to their bottom line.
Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
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Blind Man
Caldari
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:31:00 -
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ITT: QQ CUZ PLEX COST MOAR NOW
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:32:00 -
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You're a lump.
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Vad SMIRSH
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
You're a lump.
but...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Egor SMERSH
Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes.
Not true.
They're NOT writing anything off, they're donating in the name of the "EVE community" instead of their own name, and they also donate the full price of a PLEX for every PLEX they donate, that means they're compensating out of their own pocket for all taxes they already paid.
So, there. Source ?
Google it with " site:eveonline.com" at the end. You'll find the corresponding dev post or blog or whatever it was where they said it.
Too lazy to do it myself right now.
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Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
Meh. Care levels critically low about that part of its impact.
Also, high PLEX price means less RMTers but also less subscribers. So CCP is actually doing a double minor sacrifice there.
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Egor SMERSH
The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
Lol, good, I think they should double!
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 30/03/2011 09:47:21
Perhaps one reason people like PLEX for GOOD because it means they don't have to donate anything, but they get to vicariously feel good riding on the back of what the Eve Community has donated.
I doubt you'd find much support for a rolling 10% price hike for real money subscription fee with the cash been siphoned off to charity. There would surely be a lot of really good arguments against such a move.
I feel for the people who genuinely pay to play with PLEX, but it's just your turn in the barrel. Just imagine that it's actually you in Japan helping people and not the ****ers on here simply taking credit for it while laughing at you.
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Tasha Baxter
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:52:00 -
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Those damn disaster victims ey OP?
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Egor SMERSH
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Posted - 2011.03.30 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Egor SMERSH on 30/03/2011 11:50:51
I thought I would get more response from you do-gooders. I actually purchased all my PLEX a few months ago so I did not get hit by the high prices. If you do-gooders are willing to pay the high price for PLEX its okay by me.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
high PLEX price means less RMTers
Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers.
so i herd
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Akita T
high PLEX price means less RMTers
Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers.
so i herd
Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:23:00 -
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Meh, the futility of CCP trying to actually control the price of PLEX through _direct_ intervention is discussed in depth over in MD.
So I really don't care what the doc would like to do, he doesn't get to do it as long as there's still any sane people left in the decision chain.
Let's hope there's at least one.
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Ovella
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Akita T
high PLEX price means less RMTers
Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers.
so i herd
Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example).
It never was about min/max prices, it was about dust link. As far as I'm conserned it only ****ed up economy by halfing isk sinks (isn't that what CCP supposedly are trying to balace out in the first place?). |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example).
So?
Do you want to run the gold farmers out of business or not?
The ONLY way to deal with them is to mess with their operations, by adding to their risk and reducing their reward, because it is obvious that you cant ban them, they just make new accounts.
Higher priced PLEX means that RMTers need to price their isk more competitively, thus reducing their profits.
Maybe this is something they might have to think about
I GOT SCAMMED BY DEVS ON THE PUBCRAWL
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567567
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:44:00 -
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Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world wouldn't plex for some staving african country be more appropriate?
Im sure plex for a water well or some grain would be alot better than helping an already rich country tbh.
I cant see how a few grand is going to make any difference to a 150 billion dollar bill to patch japan up.
A few grand would make alot of difference to a village in upper volta or somewhere.
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AristotleOnassis
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:48:00 -
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actually, when the news of earthquake of japan on the east side hit my bloomberg terminal.
i did the right thing.
i went into a huge short position on most japanese stocks in my universe.
i also made longed yen.
Little did i realise that it also causes plex price to increase substantially...... 2 weeks later!
i guess there wasnt enough information.
human learns from the past.
next time i see a disaster on my bloomberg terminal, i shall do the right thing.
long plex.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: 567567
Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world
Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:25:00 -
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Heya Egor,
I'd like to take some time to answer your concerns regarding the PLEX for Good program. You raise some valid issues/questions that many have had since the program was instituted last year, and while we do have an FAQ on the matter, it's never a bad thing to get direct interaction from someone involved closely with the program :)
The reason why we use PLEX for donations is, truth be told, not everyone has cash floating around that they can donate. A lot of players have ISK to spare, but not a lot of cash on hand. By using PLEX in this way, people have a greater chance to donate to charity than they would otherwise, and a lot of players have expressed this to us, both on the forums and directly. PLEX for Good, therefore, is a good way to allow players to help those in need when they can't otherwise.
Do we write this off on our taxes? Not at all. All donations are made in the name of the EVE Online community. We simply cut the check for 100% of the proceeds. We absorb the costs for VAT (if applicable), credit card fees companies charge us, overhead (I donate my time working for this, as do the GMs and other persons working on this program) etc. No profit is made by us, either via tax breaks or otherwise, with this program.
To reiterate, 100% of each and every PLEX goes to the Red Cross. No money is lost, no profit is made.
Regarding the cost of PLEX during drives: during my presentation on charity to the CSM during the CSM Summit in December, both Doc and I addressed this concern. Here is what the meeting minutes said on this matter (note: the CSM wrote this, not CCP):
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CCP has polled players regarding concerns about this program. One major concern is whether charitable giving causes a significant rise in the ISK value of PLEX. However, CCP statistics on PLEX costs do not appear to show a significant correlation between charity drives and PLEX price increases, and PLEX bought to donate are not a large part of the total volume of PLEX transactions. However, CSM noted that the perception that PLEX can be used for purposes like Charity and FanFest tickets (and thus, there will be greater demand for PLEX) could drive prices upwards due to speculation.
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567567
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: 567567
Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world
Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse.
So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me.
Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical.
In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa.
You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive.
Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries?
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: 567567
stuff
The difference there is that money sent to Zimbabwe would just end up in the hands of hte 'ruling elite', where as it could be put to good use in Japan.
Also, Japan isnt in need of a regime change, where as Zimbabwe...
I GOT SCAMMED BY DEVS ON THE PUBCRAWL
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: 567567
So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me.
I'm just saying that Japan is in deep economic doodoo.
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theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa
The only thing about Africa I might care about is the flow of natural resources.
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Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries?
IMO neither does, but that's just my opinion.
I don't do charity.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 30/03/2011 15:11:16
you answered some OP's trolling / legal questions, but not the more obvious one...
Originally by: Egor SMERSH
Im for donations to Japan but do not use PLEX for donations. CCP should set up a donation program so players can donate money.
you don't need CCP as intermediate to donate real money, you can do it by yourself. and moreover you can choose to which organization you want to donate.
you however need CCP to accept donating though PLEX, as obviously noone care about ISK except IG.
that's why they use donation though plex and don't offer to do it with real money
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Minamel
Stardust Heavy Industries
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:11:00 -
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This Plexfor good thing is a chance to achive something good (and money for Redcross is something good, there are no rational argument aggainst) in a game that is beside of such a possibility 100% entertainment and without any real use.
Of course not everybody is ready to give something for good even not "worthless" virtual money and that is ok.
But people that are so selfish that they emorage abbout a plexrise of 20-30 Mil because others doing something good... I just cant find words for such a behavior!
Unbelievable!
If you cant effort eve without a cheap plex go for a job and dont waste your time playing!!
I alrdy spent abbout 2,5 Billion and are broke now if i could i now would donate 10 more Plex. This time not to help but to bother such selfish people with even more rising prices!
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Egor SMERSH
Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes.
Not true.
They're NOT writing anything off, they're donating in the name of the "EVE community" instead of their own name, and they also donate the full price of a PLEX for every PLEX they donate, that means they're compensating out of their own pocket for all taxes they already paid.
So, there. Source ?
Google it with " site:eveonline.com" at the end. You'll find the corresponding dev post or blog or whatever it was where they said it.
Too lazy to do it myself right now.
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Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
Meh. Care levels critically low about that part of its impact.
Also, high PLEX price means less RMTers but also less subscribers. So CCP is actually doing a double minor sacrifice there.
You lazy man, you!
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: 567567
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: 567567
Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world
Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse.
So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me.
Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical.
In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa.
You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive.
Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries?
Doh! Do you really think giving money to Zimbabwe would help anyone except the corrupt officials?
The newsfeeds show thousands of people in Japan who have lost everything inthe Tsunami. They're not rich, and that is where the help from plex will go.
You can use your isk to help these poor peeps in Japan, or buy some virtual wotsits to play with on your own computer. Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own.
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567567
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Old Chap
Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own.
I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read.
I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan.
What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to **** in.
Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year.
How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ?
Exactly
If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house.
However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come.
I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading.
The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits.
TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 30/03/2011 09:52:46
Perhaps one reason people like PLEX for GOOD because it means they don't have to donate anything, but they get to vicariously feel good riding on the back of what the Eve Community has donated.
I doubt you'd find much support for a rolling 10% price hike for real money subscription fee with the cash being siphoned off to charity. There would surely be a lot of really good arguments against such a move.
I feel for the people who genuinely pay to play with PLEX, but it's just your turn in the barrel. Just imagine that it's actually you in Japan helping people and not the ****ers on here simply taking credit for it while laughing at you.
Actually, its because some people in this game are quite rich, but not too well off in real life. It lets everybody donate. And of course, those of us who are able to donate real money, can do so as well.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 -
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There is a disaster going on in my wallet... please donate plex to me! 
Ahem... 
But seriously... donate some to me... 
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Lumps McGee
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:12:00 -
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The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
Exactly how many lumps are in this sandbox? I'm the only Lumps that I know of.
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Jireel
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: 567567
Originally by: The Old Chap
Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own.
I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read.
I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan.
What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to **** in.
Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year.
How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ?
Exactly
If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house.
However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come.
I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading.
The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits.
TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes.
If you go that way, I'm telling you I'd never donate any penny to Africa, they can murder the **** out of themselves using another money than mine. They need manpower and direct human help, not money.
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