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HOwareyoutoday
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: HOwareyoutoday on 31/03/2011 19:24:02 This is the Warfare and Tactics page and I'd love to show you the beauty and majesty of "AFK Cloaking." This particular subject would fall under the "Tactics" category.
1) The Element of Surprise:
Suppose that there was a neut or red in your system, and that he flew a rapier or Pilgrim. This pilot only logged on when he felt like getting a kill. Well that would defeat the entire purpose because by him simply logging on your entire alliance is now aware that he is active and looking for some kills. The pilot gets bored and logs off, you guys know that it's most likely safe now.
This pilot will never score any kills because he lacks element of surprise. The solution is that he must remained logged on 23/7 (he even has to set his alarm clock to log himself back on after downtime!). By doing this, the hostiles will no longer be able determine when he is active. Also, if the hostiles try to bait him out, he only needs to afk cloak in their system for three rf four days with NO activity before they get bored and try something else.
Overall, to be a successful solo PvP pilot, you need to have the element of surprise. Eventually you will be able to deny entire systems for entire alliances (love killing ratting drakes with my stealth bomber). You even get free entertainment as they yell and whine at local at you and make funny photoshop pictures of "emo's cutting their wrists" and how you're "still a virgin." Which is funny because to be successful at afk cloaking, the LESS you play and the LESS activity you have the MORE effective you are via means of surprise.
2) I only have to get lucky once, you have to get lucky everytime.
This was already alluded to before. This particular idea is analogous to terrorists. A terrorist only needs to succeed once, the defending government/organization needs to get lucky every time (so give you government a break when it fails to prevent a terrorist incident, they're working very hard to keep us safe 99% of the time).
What this boils down to in a video game is that your enemies will get bored very quickly trying to neutralize your presence, especially since they're not getting paid top notch salaries like the CIA/SIS/FBI/Homeland Security/NSA/CONCORD (lol)/MI5/MI6/DRM/DGSE/DPSD to maintain 24/7/12 protection. Once you score a kill, go afk again for a few hours, they'll be on red alert. Also take note of the time of day when you made that kill. DO NOT attempt to kill anyone at that same time of day for another week, as they'll be on alert during that particular hour for a while for several days.
Once you've made many kills at all different times of the day, they will truly forget about defending against you and either fit their ships to tank you (change the type of ship you're using when this happens) or simply move to another area.
Generally only pick on ships that your particular covert ops ship can destroy. Don't try to kill a heavily tanked ship when there's 40 people in local (although I'm guilty of doing this successfully from time to time), you'll end up getting creamed. If you get warp scrambled or neuted, get out fast. If you're in a stealth bomber and you see drones, get out fast (unless you put 200mm II x2 autcannons on your purifier, I use my alt for scanning and scouting). And for the love of god, don't ever try to attack a hurricane in your cloaky ship.
Whenever you can, deploy probes at random times, even if you don't intend to find and kill a target. Therefore they won't be on alert EVERY TIME they see you deploy probes.
Always scan for bubbles before flying to a bookmarked or scanned location. I once got nailed by a bubble near a ratting location, I was truly shocked. They decloaked me pretty fast.
In general, afk cloaking doesn't need a nerf. It's a very hard practice to maintain and perfect. Even when perfected, failure to adhere to a single rule posted above will result in a fiery death (like attacking during the same time of day).
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zyress on 31/03/2011 20:33:40 I've never docked up to avoid an afk cloaker and I have no fear of your SB when I'm in my ratting Drake. lets see who lasts longer me in my Drake against your Torps or you against my precision heavies and warrior II's in your stealth bomber
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Aelexe
Gallente Imperceivable Obscurity LOADED CONCRETE
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zyress Edited by: Zyress on 31/03/2011 20:33:40 I've never docked up to avoid an afk cloaker and I have no fear of your SB when I'm in my ratting Drake. lets see who lasts longer me in my Drake against your Torps or you against my precision heavies and warrior II's in your stealth bomber
Okay =/.
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zyress Edited by: Zyress on 31/03/2011 20:33:40 I've never docked up to avoid an afk cloaker and I have no fear of your SB when I'm in my ratting Drake. lets see who lasts longer me in my Drake against your Torps or you against my precision heavies and warrior II's in your stealth bomber
Now show me on the doll where the "AFK" cloaker touched you
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:14:00 -
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An accurate description of afk cloaking and it's intention. I wish local would be removed, it would make afk cloaking pointless and always give a sneaky solo pilot the element of surprise without waiting around afk for hours. I dream of the day when I can roam null sec via wh entrances ganking unsuspecting ratters. How is that balanced for the ratters? They can fit for pvp and the problem goes away. I can belt rat in amamake without fear if I really wanted (which I don't) simply by using a cynabal or any other fast and ganky ship. No one is going to catch it in a belt unless I want them to. Same goes for missions/plex's, slap an mwd on and burn off the warp in point (assuming it's gated), they'll never get you if you are paying attention. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
HOwareyoutoday
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Posted - 2011.04.01 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar An accurate description of afk cloaking and it's intention. I wish local would be removed, it would make afk cloaking pointless and always give a sneaky solo pilot the element of surprise without waiting around afk for hours. I dream of the day when I can roam null sec via wh entrances ganking unsuspecting ratters. How is that balanced for the ratters? They can fit for pvp and the problem goes away. I can belt rat in amamake without fear if I really wanted (which I don't) simply by using a cynabal or any other fast and ganky ship. No one is going to catch it in a belt unless I want them to. Same goes for missions/plex's, slap an mwd on and burn off the warp in point (assuming it's gated), they'll never get you if you are paying attention.
Also, if they removed local, there would be more fleet engagements and highly talented covert ops pilots would be well paid to provide good intel around the clock.
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:06:00 -
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I appreciate this service or product :-) afk cloaking misery is just resulting from local and hostile awareness of it. Btw. dude, try putting an MSE on your bomber, with that you will be able to tank drones and drakes pretty perfectly. This is ma fit, try something like that http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/38933-Purifier-650-DPS-solo-pwnage.html
Originally by: Zyress Edited by: Zyress on 31/03/2011 20:33:40 I've never docked up to avoid an afk cloaker and I have no fear of your SB when I'm in my ratting Drake. lets see who lasts longer me in my Drake against your Torps or you against my precision heavies and warrior II's in your stealth bomber
I wish there were more victims with this attitude :-/
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Miliken
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:32:00 -
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Imagine living in a wormhole where one or more players can be watching you while you are completely unaware! Oh noes!
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Miliken Imagine living in a wormhole where one or more players can be watching you while you are completely unaware! Oh noes!
was this meant for the "afk cloak" whiners??
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Metal Icarus
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Posted - 2011.04.01 17:32:00 -
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Oh we got an afk cloaker in our system guys.... Drain the system and head next door. Lets wait for him to come say hi to our other system!
If he doesn't come, well he will be afk in an empty system. If he does show up after down time in your other system, just go back to the other one.
tl;dr, owning 2 systems is your best defence against this tomfoolery
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Varn Guvera
Minmatar Strategic Syndicate -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zyress Edited by: Zyress on 31/03/2011 20:33:40 I've never docked up to avoid an afk cloaker and I have no fear of your SB when I'm in my ratting Drake. lets see who lasts longer me in my Drake against your Torps or you against my precision heavies and warrior II's in your stealth bomber
:FACEPALM:
where do you live ill make you regret you typed those words :and regret you hit the MWD to escape the bomb i launch at you:
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Mon'Arth
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mon''Arth on 01/04/2011 20:55:23
Seriously?!?!?!
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.04.01 21:19:00 -
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1 bomb against a drake would barely dent the shields if properly fitted. And the sig radius on them is so big a bomb hits for full damage anyways. So an MWD wouldn't hurt anything, not that he mentioned one. Still, it's easy enough to dodge a gank attempt if you've fitted for pvp and are paying attention. I don't fear afk cloakers either when I'm out grinding isk. I keep an eye on things obviously and it might alter my ship choice, but I certainly won't dock up and cower in station. Anyone who does pretty much fails at eve by definition. I mean seriously, if you can't handle a single hostile in your home system, wtf are you doing in low/null sec in the first place? Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Pawd Pitot
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pawd Pitot on 02/04/2011 15:44:32 3) You are a lame wuss:
Long paragraph follows that explains why you are a lame wuss. But, there's a place lame wusses in EVE, so you are allowed to continue being one.
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.02 19:44:00 -
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nothing lame there. Its just a counter to local. You use local as intel, people start making local useless for you. Everything great with it.
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Mar Lee
An Army of None
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Posted - 2011.04.03 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Icarus Oh we got an afk cloaker in our system guys.... Drain the system and head next door. Lets wait for him to come say hi to our other system!
If he doesn't come, well he will be afk in an empty system. If he does show up after down time in your other system, just go back to the other one.
tl;dr, owning 2 systems is your best defence against this tomfoolery
It's a good thing there's never more than one AFK cloaker in EVE at once, amirite?
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Sanic Xaqueter
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.03 02:43:00 -
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I heard talk about special probes or devices that can decloak or see through cloak abilitys?
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Janz Black
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Janz Black on 13/04/2011 16:54:39 Very valid points. Also it is not wrong to sit at a safe spot that "happens" to be in a sanctum. It just keeps the anom from respawning, forcing ppl to buy plex from CCP.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:04:00 -
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We have an AFK cloaker in my home system. He will stay cloaked for days at a time before he gets brave... Then we kill him. It's funny, but mostly sad Poor lil afk guys
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: rumn**** on 13/04/2011 20:26:40 Having your computer on for 23/7 doing nothing, to once in a blue moon gank an drake seems waste full of both your time, life and electricity bill.
Still, danger is what makes eve fun and exciting so in some microscopic way you're still adding something I suppose :)
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.13 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: rumn**** Edited by: rumn**** on 13/04/2011 20:26:40 Having your computer on for 23/7 doing nothing, to once in a blue moon gank an drake seems waste full of both your time, life and electricity bill.
Still, danger is what makes eve fun and exciting so in some microscopic way you're still adding something I suppose :)
Well when we are afk, we are not wasting our life and time... electricity perhaps.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.04.14 04:02:00 -
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when my corp was nullsec, we had an afk cloaker that the alliance we were renting from wouldnt deal with. something about how it was our problem and they didnt say they'd come help against hostiles. which they did.
anyways, while the rest of the carebears were cowering in their pos and watching their fuel deplete, my corp got a frigate pack together and went ratting. guy comes in, drops a bomb, but we take little damage cause we're going fast without MWD (we knew his ship) before he can get away, we have a point on him. he dies, his pod dies, and nobody asks where he went.
we left that alliance within a week, but about five minutes before we left, some guys declared war on the alliance. when we "surrendered" five minutes after the wardec, we, and our orca outside Jita 4-4, became fair game. guess which corp had that station camped?
you win some, you lose some.
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Miss Krunk
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Posted - 2011.04.14 08:16:00 -
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I have one big issue with afk cloaking, and it is the argument that no where in EvE is supposed to be safe and the AFK cloaker reinforces that. If no where is supposed to be 100% safe, than why is the guy AFK in enemy territory safer than ANYONE not docked in a station?
I don't support the removal of local, but I wouldn't cry about it. But if they were to remove local, I would want a way to scan down cloakers in return. If some fool wants to go afk in enemy territory, it should have the risk of costing him a ship and pod.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.04.14 10:09:00 -
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Consider the cloak to be a mobile mini station of safeness. Problem solved. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.04.14 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy Consider the cloak to be a mobile mini station of safeness. Problem solved.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.14 12:11:00 -
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cloaker "true pvp MASTOR" is sitting afk in my home system for a days. These days i make billiones of ISKies in other systems. =) Or i log my alt and go haul tasty stuff in empyre. Or....
And he is still sitting because he is great
Nothing wrong but if (IF and not WHEN) he blows my shiny ship i simply buy new one. Because i'm a rich.
So. GO and SIT forever! Good luck, MASTOR
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mistack
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Posted - 2011.04.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miliken Imagine living in a wormhole where one or more players can be watching you while you are completely unaware! Oh noes!
This is an excellent point, however you are missing the fact that there is a counter to that - namely that at some point, the new WHs have to be scanned down. This means decloaking your ship and putting probes out - probes that active WH corps will see. In losec this wouldn't be the case - you can just warp to a gate and be uncatchable. Likewise, you can jump into a system and with no warning turn up at a belt.
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SpyGirl
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Posted - 2011.04.14 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
Originally by: rumn**** Edited by: rumn**** on 13/04/2011 20:26:40 Having your computer on for 23/7 doing nothing, to once in a blue moon gank an drake seems waste full of both your time, life and electricity bill.
Still, danger is what makes eve fun and exciting so in some microscopic way you're still adding something I suppose :)
Well when we are afk, we are not wasting our life and time... electricity perhaps.
And people that are afk might even have a job, which means the electricity bill is trivial. So everyone's a winner.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.04.14 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/04/2011 15:35:39
Originally by: Miss Rabblt cloaker "true pvp MASTOR" is sitting afk in my home system for a days. These days i make billiones of ISKies in other systems. =) Or i log my alt and go haul tasty stuff in empyre. Or....
And he is still sitting because he is great
Nothing wrong but if (IF and not WHEN) he blows my shiny ship i simply buy new one. Because i'm a rich.
So. GO and SIT forever! Good luck, MASTOR
oh yes, I know exactly, what you're talking about. I too trained up afk covert cyno cloakers on my industry/trading/scam/scap (or other with rarely used mains) accounts, so I can log in them always I dont need the main for maxing out my paid playtime usage. That was a waste of the monthly fee otherwise, wasn't it?
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Rika Jones
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: HOwareyoutoday
Originally by: King Rothgar An accurate description of afk cloaking and it's intention. I wish local would be removed, it would make afk cloaking pointless and always give a sneaky solo pilot the element of surprise without waiting around afk for hours. I dream of the day when I can roam null sec via wh entrances ganking unsuspecting ratters. How is that balanced for the ratters? They can fit for pvp and the problem goes away. I can belt rat in amamake without fear if I really wanted (which I don't) simply by using a cynabal or any other fast and ganky ship. No one is going to catch it in a belt unless I want them to. Same goes for missions/plex's, slap an mwd on and burn off the warp in point (assuming it's gated), they'll never get you if you are paying attention.
Also, if they removed local, there would be more fleet engagements and highly talented covert ops pilots would be well paid to provide good intel around the clock.
Local facilitates fleet fights. When two fleets want to go at it, local works in everyone's favor. It doesn't facilitate ganks. Stop confusing the two.
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