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Anitta Blake
BSC LEGION Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:25:00 -
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Quote: CCP Greyscale: The thing we were looking at most when evaluating numbers for this was how many "good" systems a region had. If a region is 80% dross but you can support your entire alliances from the remaining 20%, then you're in a pretty decent place.
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CCP Greyscale: salesman of the year
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Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:27:00 -
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shame there turning 90% into dross, so any alliance member has 10% to support them
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:50:00 -
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delicious .. tears.
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Holy One delicious .. tears.
will have little or no effect in the long term, few inactive accounts, mission alts for funding 0.0 pvp, same as it was before dom. no new fights, no capturing new space just for anoms, just restricting smaller corps and alliances from moving to 0.0 as the isk isnt so easy to come by unless you join a power block
only one long term effected by this will be ccp.
in the end who actually cares
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Holy One delicious .. tears.
will have little or no effect in the long term, few inactive accounts, mission alts for funding 0.0 pvp, same as it was before dom. no new fights, no capturing new space just for anoms, just restricting smaller corps and alliances from moving to 0.0 as the isk isnt so easy to come by unless you join a power block
only one long term effected by this will be ccp.
in the end who actually cares
No, CCp wont be the only people affected by it. Many of us have played this game for years, poured time and money into it - because we ENJOY it. CCP plans to make it far less enjoyable for reasons which are asinine. They plan, as the OP has stated to turn 80-90% of the games 0.0 space to dross. They plan to do so without any consultation with their much-lauded CSM, which kinda makes the CSM a joke.
Many people have done alarm clock ops and in general busted their asses to establish sov in 0.0 - all this time investment as a result of CCP's encouragement to take sov and improve the systems. Now thats been thrown in their faces, for little reason. I dont think it matters that its a game or make believe. You waste peoples time like that, and you make real enemies. There is a real bitterness over this I havent seen since the T20 debacle.
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Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY
Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Holy One delicious .. tears.
will have little or no effect in the long term, few inactive accounts, mission alts for funding 0.0 pvp, same as it was before dom. no new fights, no capturing new space just for anoms, just restricting smaller corps and alliances from moving to 0.0 as the isk isnt so easy to come by unless you join a power block
only one long term effected by this will be ccp.
in the end who actually cares
No, CCp wont be the only people affected by it. Many of us have played this game for years, poured time and money into it - because we ENJOY it. CCP plans to make it far less enjoyable for reasons which are asinine. They plan, as the OP has stated to turn 80-90% of the games 0.0 space to dross. They plan to do so without any consultation with their much-lauded CSM, which kinda makes the CSM a joke.
Many people have done alarm clock ops and in general busted their asses to establish sov in 0.0 - all this time investment as a result of CCP's encouragement to take sov and improve the systems. Now thats been thrown in their faces, for little reason. I dont think it matters that its a game or make believe. You waste peoples time like that, and you make real enemies. There is a real bitterness over this I havent seen since the T20 debacle.
ccp dont care, why are you still unsure of this, how many times do they do stuff the player base dosnt want?
vote with your wallet, that is the only thing ccp give a crap about at the end of the day anyhow
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:31:00 -
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tears make the best lube ♥
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY No, CCp wont be the only people affected by it. Many of us have played this game for years, poured time and money into it - because we ENJOY it. CCP plans to make it far less enjoyable for reasons which are asinine. They plan, as the OP has stated to turn 80-90% of the games 0.0 space to dross. They plan to do so without any consultation with their much-lauded CSM, which kinda makes the CSM a joke.
If you and your friends have been playing EvE for years, or at least since the T20 scandal (see below) as you so claim yourself, then you've been playing since before Dominion. Which is pretty much what this change will do - restore 0.0 to pre-Dominion levels.
If you could live in 0.0 back then, there's absolutely nothing to stop you from doing so now.
Adapt or die. But please shut up.
Quote: Many people have done alarm clock ops and in general busted their asses to establish sov in 0.0 - all this time investment as a result of CCP's encouragement to take sov and improve the systems. Now thats been thrown in their faces, for little reason. I dont think it matters that its a game or make believe. You waste peoples time like that, and you make real enemies. There is a real bitterness over this I havent seen since the T20 debacle.
No, there is a manufactured bitterness over this because the large alliances will lose on this. Thank you for being a cog in their propaganda machine. Oh, and post with your main.
The "little reason" is because the large alliances have become too large. I'll admit that this action, taken alone as an a valiant effort to try to change 0.0 to the better, is not gonna work. Which is why there are bigger changes bound to be incoming that will hopefully shake the foundations of 0.0 good and proper. But those changes will not destroy 0.0. They will not kill EvE. Bigger changes have been made, and EvE is still here. |
Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum tears make the best lube
nasty ****er...
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Holy One delicious .. tears.
will have little or no effect in the long term, few inactive accounts, mission alts for funding 0.0 pvp, same as it was before dom. no new fights, no capturing new space just for anoms, just restricting smaller corps and alliances from moving to 0.0 as the isk isnt so easy to come by unless you join a power block
only one long term effected by this will be ccp.
too much isk in circulation. ccp has issue with fleet fights causing too little movement in 0.0. this means more isk in circulation. it has to be addressed.
also you need to understand that this is just one of a handful of changes ccp is going to be rolling out over coming months to rebalance dominion.
i'm really looking forward to the jump bridge nerf myself ..
Quote: in the end who actually cares
^^ yup. its just a stupid mmo ffs. peeps need to get a reality check.
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
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Brims Tone
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Brims Tone on 03/04/2011 13:47:00 | Region | A | B | C | D | E | | |----------------------+----+----+----+----+----+-----------| | The Spire | 3 | 9 | 28 | 18 | 14 | DRF (d) | | Cobalt Edge | 7 | 19 | 19 | 10 | 14 | DRF (d) | | Malpais | 8 | 22 | 27 | 34 | 11 | DRF (d) | | Perrigen Falls | 4 | 9 | 39 | 42 | 10 | DRF (d) | | Etherium Reach | 6 | 13 | 37 | 34 | 10 | DRF (d) | | The Kalevala Expanse | 6 | 16 | 19 | 17 | 10 | DRF (d) | | Outer Passage | 12 | 22 | 15 | 28 | 8 | DRF (d) | | Oasa | 12 | 16 | 24 | 24 | 8 | DRF (d) | | Delve | 16 | 10 | 20 | 16 | 8 | PL/IT| | Tenal | 27 | 17 | 9 | 7 | 8 | NC | | Feythabolis | 29 | 28 | 18 | 6 | 8 | CAAASEROL | | Branch | 17 | 25 | 25 | 20 | 7 | NC | | Period Basis | 9 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 7 | ? | | Cache | 17 | 11 | 6 | 1 | 7 | DRF | | Deklein | 7 | 6 | 22 | 27 | 6 | NC/DC | | Fountain | 43 | 21 | 14 | 8 | 6 | NC/DC | | Querious | 31 | 15 | 11 | 12 | 5 | ? | | Insmother | 37 | 27 | 30 | 10 | 4 | DRF | | Omist | 12 | 18 | 6 | 3 | 4 | DRF | | Vale of the Silent | 48 | 46 | 10 | 11 | 3 | NC | | Catch | 59 | 15 | 15 | 8 | 3 | CAAASEROL | | Esoteria | 30 | 20 | 15 | 6 | 3 | CAAASEROL | | Paragon Soul | 20 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 3 | CAAASEROL | | Tenerifis | 29 | 28 | 12 | 10 | 2 | CAAASEROL | | Detorid | 26 | 39 | 23 | 6 | 2 | DRF | | Scalding Pass | 30 | 15 | 10 | 6 | 2 | DRF | | Geminate | 26 | 28 | 13 | 3 | 2 | NC | | Immensea | 20 | 29 | 26 | 9 | 0 | DRF | | Wicked Creek | 22 | 38 | 15 | 7 | 0 | DRF | | Tribute | 27 | 14 | 6 | 7 | 0 | NC | | Impass | 21 | 19 | 7 | 3 | 0 | CAAASEROL | | Cloud Ring | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | NC/DC | | Fade | 2 | 20 | 5 | 0 | 0 | NC | | Providence | 68 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ev0ke | | Pure Blind | 58 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | NC/DC |
E being best systems and A being worst.
The big alliances don't benefit from this? Tell that to DRF and the NC. The DRF get big improvements and then Tenal, Branch, Delve, and Fountain which are NC strongholds are also top after that. There will be no fighting because of this patch, just smaller alliances like the pure blind, fade, cloud ring, and providence folks getting a kick in the crotch.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:48:00 -
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Good thing CCP are improving the L4 agent distribution then so the nullbears can send their alts there.
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: nano bobcat on 03/04/2011 13:54:15
CCPs just evening the carebear madness out which hit in with dominion. The entire north got turned into a big fcking blobbage fest, thanks to those upgrades and ratter hordes.
Originally by: Brims Tone
just smaller alliances like the pure blind, fade, cloud ring, and providence folks getting a kick in the crotch.
yes, and those are exactly who deserve a decent hit in the balls because those are the main factor for the massive blobbage.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY No, CCp wont be the only people affected by it. Many of us have played this game for years, poured time and money into it - because we ENJOY it. CCP plans to make it far less enjoyable for reasons which are asinine. They plan, as the OP has stated to turn 80-90% of the games 0.0 space to dross. They plan to do so without any consultation with their much-lauded CSM, which kinda makes the CSM a joke.
If you and your friends have been playing EvE for years, or at least since the T20 scandal (see below) as you so claim yourself, then you've been playing since before Dominion. Which is pretty much what this change will do - restore 0.0 to pre-Dominion levels.
If you could live in 0.0 back then, there's absolutely nothing to stop you from doing so now.
Adapt or die. But please shut up.
Quote: Many people have done alarm clock ops and in general busted their asses to establish sov in 0.0 - all this time investment as a result of CCP's encouragement to take sov and improve the systems. Now thats been thrown in their faces, for little reason. I dont think it matters that its a game or make believe. You waste peoples time like that, and you make real enemies. There is a real bitterness over this I havent seen since the T20 debacle.
No, there is a manufactured bitterness over this because the large alliances will lose on this. Thank you for being a cog in their propaganda machine. Oh, and post with your main.
The "little reason" is because the large alliances have become too large. I'll admit that this action, taken alone as an a valiant effort to try to change 0.0 to the better, is not gonna work. Which is why there are bigger changes bound to be incoming that will hopefully shake the foundations of 0.0 good and proper. But those changes will not destroy 0.0. They will not kill EvE. Bigger changes have been made, and EvE is still here.
Agree with everything here, but bolded the important bit :)
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Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:57:00 -
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CSM?
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Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brims Tone
The only thing that MIGHT happen is some space is abandoned due to it being so ****ty that it can't even pay for its own sov bills and small alianced can move in as a result. They will still get farmed by one of the big coalitions though.
the small alliance will then not be able to pay the sov bills and get stompped on by bigger alliance as its still there space, claimed or not.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:13:00 -
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I hope natural selection rules work in eve, and the players with brains are going to see ways to adapt and evolve to the new rules, while all the whining *****es either shut up or leave the game.
Why do we need to have whine threads every time CCP decides to change something in the game, if it turns out to be game breaking, they are probably going to roll back. Learn to embrace change and stop *****ing about about things not going your way.
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Dark Striped
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: dexington I hope natural selection rules work in eve, and the players with brains are going to see ways to adapt and evolve to the new rules, while all the whining *****es either shut up or leave the game.
Why do we need to have whine threads every time CCP decides to change something in the game, if it turns out to be game breaking, they are probably going to roll back. Learn to embrace change and stop *****ing about about things not going your way.
the ways to adapt are clear. go back to how it was before dom. have the alt farm missions in high sec to pay for 0.0 pvp. thats how it was and thats how it will be again.
i couldnt care less about the changes tbh, just bothers me that they have drained so much player effort and then pulled the old bait and switch on those players
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: dexington I hope natural selection rules work in eve, and the players with brains are going to see ways to adapt and evolve to the new rules, while all the whining *****es either shut up or leave the game.
Why do we need to have whine threads every time CCP decides to change something in the game, if it turns out to be game breaking, they are probably going to roll back. Learn to embrace change and stop *****ing about about things not going your way.
A substantial subsection of the core playerbase IS going to leave the game. Sure, theres nothing stopping everything going back to empire / pre dominion / nothing apart from the knowledge that all that work over the past year was a complete wasted effort. Id rather that didnt happen. Fairly reasonable stance I would have thought.
As for the various juvenile comments to the effect of "keep quiet, dont complain" - Im highlighting the negative effect this will have on the core playerbase - the majority of whom dont bother coming on the forums to listen to tedious abuse from people who have no skin in the game.
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Brims Tone
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:23:00 -
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The solution should not be have a highsec alt to farm missions. You should be able to make isk in 0.0 whether you are one of the big coalitions holding the improved space or one of the smaller alliances holding ****ty space.
The only way to get the big coalitions to move is to change the way moon mining works or is balanced.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:24:00 -
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Yep, moons next.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: dexington I hope natural selection rules work in eve, and the players with brains are going to see ways to adapt and evolve to the new rules, while all the whining *****es either shut up or leave the game.
The problem is that the way people will adapt to this change will be the exact opposite of what the stated goal of the change was: to generate more wars and give smaller players a chance to move out into 0.0.
Wars are not fought over ratting space, and while there may be more abandoned systems for new entities to move into, the reason they're abandoned is that they're not worth the effort to holdà so no entities will move into them. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Holy One
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:27:00 -
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tbh tippia you can't fight the established power blocks anyway.
and they have no interest in fighting each other except for lols
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY A substantial subsection of the core playerbase IS going to leave the game.
With all the other things that could be better in the game, this is the one thing the is finally going to make everyone quit... yeah right...
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: nano bobcat on 03/04/2011 14:31:08
Originally by: Brims Tone The solution should not be have a highsec alt to farm missions. You should be able to make isk in 0.0
people will still be able to make ISK, but not that many people as now however, which isnt a bad thing at all. All the crap corporations and alliances around the "core" ones wont make ISK and go back where they belong to (empire). Thats great.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anitta Blake ...CCP is yet to say how this will impact on other upgrades...
Why the hell do you make yet another the Tear TsunamiÖ thread when you obviously know that there are more changes coming?
Whining is best when it has purpose and focus. Whining just for the sake of whining makes one look like a spoiled brat.
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 03/04/2011 14:31:08
Originally by: Brims Tone The solution should not be have a highsec alt to farm missions. You should be able to make isk in 0.0
people will still be able to make ISK, but not that many people as now however, which isnt a bad thing at all. All the crap corporations and alliances around the "core" ones wont make ISK and go back where they belong to (empire). Thats great.
Why is people "vanishing" from the game great?
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Whining is best when it has purpose and focus. Whining just for the sake of whining makes one look like a spoiled brat.
Isnt that PRECISELY what you are doing?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 03/04/2011 14:41:11
Originally by: Holy One tbh tippia you can't fight the established power blocks anyway.
and they have no interest in fighting each other except for lols
Perhaps, but that's not really a good argument to make it even harder to fight them and give them less incentive to nuke each other (especially since, as mentioned, the idea of the change is to do the opposite). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Mibad
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Striped CSM?
Video pretty much sums it all up.
This would be a good idea if they didn't remove anything and instead just made it so lower nullsec has more sanctums/havens.
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