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MAALaR
Gallente Morior Invictus. Valor Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.04 02:50:00 -
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I'm sure this has been asked again and my entire time in Eve it's just been annoying sometimes. I know an MMORPG isn't "technically" a first person shooter, but what if someone likes eve and wants first person shooter with it too? I'd much rather just play eve than go out and have to buy ANOTHER game (Dust 514) just to do first person shooter. So here's the idea:
Give pilots the opportunity to switch modes in flight from areal mode to FPS mode, where the pilot is sitting in the cockpit, functions remain primarily similar to areal mode except you can set to auto fire or fire on mouse click, you can maneuver the ship around with the mouse, have a full dashboard for monitoring everything like in areal mode, etc. etc.
One thing that could be a con is the lack of 360 view that areal has where you can just rotate around the ship and see everything. I can argue this two ways in that "users in areal have 360 view, so why shouldn't those in FPS have 360 view?" Or, "if you're in FPS your sight SHOULD be limited!". I guess it's really up to the devs if they want to allow 360 view with FPS or not. Maybe they could impliment it with something else that's just as good, like a back camera or something, or a small monitor that allows them to see everything.
One thing I really hate is the whole "hey guys, let's just orbit something and sit and wait....wait some more...yep just waiting.....continuing to wait....oh how i love to wait.....man this waiting...OMGZ!!!! I GET TO WAIT!!!....hahaha hey man, what's up? I'm waiting, just orbiting the gate, oh, time to go! Jump!"
I'd kind of like to be able to just hop in my ship and do some fancy maneuvering. If you want you could even make it so that FPS maneuvering does not affect the ability to shoot the ship, that you have the same locking, shooting, striking, etc. capabilities as if you were just orbiting.
The thing is, and this is all over Eve, waiting just sucks. It's boring, it's FREAKING boring. I have to wait for skills, wait for mining, just orbit a stupid gate or ship. Besides, I think it would also give us the ability to be able to quickly lock other ships, or quickly fire, whereas everything right now in basic combat is mostly automatic. You just click a button and it does it all on its own. I'd like to see some actually PILOT SKILL here. Yeah more experienced pilots got cool tactics, tricks, and whatnot, like two carriers being together so they can refit one another in the middle of a battle. Cool idea, handy if you're in a bind, but really that's just book smart, I want to see PILOT flying skill. If you can actually FLY a ship and not just push a button, that makes more sense.
Besides...it's kind of ******ed to call me a pilot when all i do is push the "green" button and "go". And then I sit there, and hit a few hot keys, and that's it. Everything is automatic. That's not a pilot, and by darn it if I have to spend 5 bil isk to fly a titan, or even 2,000 isk for a battleship, I would like to be able to actually CALL myself a pilot and not just a robot using a lot of hot keys.
anyways, inputs anyone? :)
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:00:00 -
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It's called Black Prophecy....google it.
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MAALaR
Gallente Morior Invictus. Valor Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:04:00 -
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I could honestly (no offense) care less about another game. I'm concerned about Eve Online. That's the game I'm paying for, that's the game I enjoy, that's the game I want to discuss. Black Prophecy sounds all nice and stuff, but this is Eve Online bulletin board, and I'd rather my discussion be on Eve Online, not a shootoff of it. |
Zanzbar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:27:00 -
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yet another thread asking that the game be rebuilt from the ground up.... good luck with that
eve is meant to be a strategy game not a twitch based combat game, if such changes were made to the game it wouldn't really be eve anymore
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MAALaR
Gallente Morior Invictus. Valor Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:31:00 -
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Not really. You wouldn't have to rebuild the whole game. It's just another mode of flight GUI, that's all. The controls are the same and it interacts with the server the same. It's just how it presents the scene to you that's all. The only difference is that you can move your own ship rather than "just" an orbit. |
Imigo Montoya
Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: MAALaR Not really. You wouldn't have to rebuild the whole game. It's just another mode of flight GUI, that's all. The controls are the same and it interacts with the server the same. It's just how it presents the scene to you that's all. The only difference is that you can move your own ship rather than "just" an orbit.
Hate to break it to you, but yes CCP would have to build the game from the ground up. It works the way it does so that the required server <-> client communication is kept to a minimum. You know all those epic fleet fights where people complain about the lag? If you were able to individually pilot your ship, the amount of server lag would increase dramatically, making 50v50 ship fights unplayable.
The way I see it is that you're not the ship's pilot so much as you are the captain. You issue commands to your crew and they carry them out. The game is in the decisions you make, not the twitch factor.
As for waiting for everything (a second separate issue), so what if you start off PI, research, manufacturing, skill training, market orders etc and then you have to wait? Once you've done those passive activities that make you your isk what on earth could you spend your time doing??? How about some of the many active activities like ratting, mining, mission running, or maybe just go out and find some hostile pilot, lock them down and shoot them.
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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: MAALaR Not really. You wouldn't have to rebuild the whole game. It's just another mode of flight GUI, that's all. The controls are the same and it interacts with the server the same. It's just how it presents the scene to you that's all. The only difference is that you can move your own ship rather than "just" an orbit.
Did clicking in space get taken out in a recent patch?
gonna assume you don't fly inties much. Use auto orbit at 50kms to close on target point range, have crap for traversal as you fly virtually straight line to them....go boom a likely result depending on target type.
Want inty to not go boom, lots of manual approach techniques to use to keep up traversal. Once there...keep up manual flight. Really bad things can happen when you tell eve to orbit something new. Can go 180 degrees for example. You have no traversal, no speed, and soon to be no ship most likely as well.
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Infinion
Caldari Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: garus banta It's called Black Prophecy....google it.
There's also another similar game called Jump Gate Evolution.... google that one too
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.04.04 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Infinion
Originally by: garus banta It's called Black Prophecy....google it.
There's also another similar game called Jump Gate Evolution.... google that one too
Only that BP is already released.
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Tentacle Monster
New Eden Trade Union
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Posted - 2011.04.04 08:57:00 -
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I don't think most of these ships have cockpits, more like a bridge with a dozen operators and the player shouting orders. I remember something along the lines of 1 cruiser = 700 crew. And it would be a cool little feature to be able to see things from within the ship.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2011.04.04 19:07:00 -
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There is a good reason why there is no cockpit in used by players. Either look in the commonly proposed idea's thread or check the back story section of the website for Jovian wet grave. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Vardec Crom
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:24:00 -
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Get out.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tentacle Monster I don't think most of these ships have cockpits, more like a bridge with a dozen operators and the player shouting orders. I remember something along the lines of 1 cruiser = 700 crew. And it would be a cool little feature to be able to see things from within the ship.
The pod is the cockpit. but all you would see in 1st person view would be goo.
Only non-capsuleer ships have bridges.
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: MAALaR I could honestly (no offense) care less about another game. I'm concerned about Eve Online. That's the game I'm paying for, that's the game I enjoy, that's the game I want to discuss. Black Prophecy sounds all nice and stuff, but this is Eve Online bulletin board, and I'd rather my discussion be on Eve Online, not a shootoff of it.
Did you miss the part where I told you to f-off and go to another game dimwit?
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: garus banta
Originally by: MAALaR I could honestly (no offense) care less about another game. I'm concerned about Eve Online. That's the game I'm paying for, that's the game I enjoy, that's the game I want to discuss. Black Prophecy sounds all nice and stuff, but this is Eve Online bulletin board, and I'd rather my discussion be on Eve Online, not a shootoff of it.
Did you miss the part where I told you to f-off and go to another game dimwit?
Hey be nice.
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Infinion
Originally by: garus banta It's called Black Prophecy....google it.
There's also another similar game called Jump Gate Evolution.... google that one too
Why would I want to ? JumpGate looks like poo. BP at least has next gen graphics that compete with eve, but I suppose your aesthetics skills are still "untrained"....
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: garus banta
Originally by: MAALaR I could honestly (no offense) care less about another game. I'm concerned about Eve Online. That's the game I'm paying for, that's the game I enjoy, that's the game I want to discuss. Black Prophecy sounds all nice and stuff, but this is Eve Online bulletin board, and I'd rather my discussion be on Eve Online, not a shootoff of it.
Did you miss the part where I told you to f-off and go to another game dimwit?
Hey be nice.
I am being nice, I didn't pod him ... yet!
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Kyra Felann
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.04.05 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tentacle Monster I don't think most of these ships have cockpits, more like a bridge with a dozen operators and the player shouting orders. I remember something along the lines of 1 cruiser = 700 crew. And it would be a cool little feature to be able to see things from within the ship.
The OP is wrong and you're equally wrong.
We are floating in a tank of goo with sophisticated life-support and neural interface technology.
There is no cockpit. There is no bridge. There is a crew, though. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW-----
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Asa Tru
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: garus banta It's called Black Prophecy....google it.
Yeah, a game that is more system crashes and cut scenes than actual gameplay. __
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:28:00 -
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Unlike other EVE related ideas, this one is not held by game design but rather by game mechanics. Point-and-click flight system is orders of magnitude less stressfull for the game servers than a analog, flight-sim mode.
EVE would benefit greatly from a system in which you could steer your ship manually with WASD, or a flight stick. It's even canon (read the Gallente parts of the Empyrean Age novel). The servers, however, would not. And the last thing we need right now is another factor to add lag.
I do, however, like and would like to ask for a (or several) fixed-camera perspective(s). They add nothing to server load, since the camera is calculated client-side, but they add a lot to the game experience. ____________
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Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 05/04/2011 11:35:26 It is worth to note that all "real-time" games are actually turn-based, but with all players taking their turns simultaneously. In the case of EVE, the tick (turn duration) for the simulation is one second.
So, even if CCP wanted to make fighters pilotable instead of being drones (for example), the pilot would be essentially capped to one effective maneuver per second. The way guns work in EVE would need to be completely rebuilt (only for the fighter guns, though - with possibly new RPG-related gunnery skills). Missiles might work alright, though.
So, pilotable fighters in my EVE? Looking forward to the things you can fly in DUST might be your best bet.
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mithfindel The way guns work in EVE would need to be completely rebuilt (only for the fighter guns, though - with possibly new RPG-related gunnery skills). Missiles might work alright, though.
Not necessarely, just look at World of Tanks. On WoT you have what the OP suggested, but weapons can also be locked, and track the target automatically. ____________
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Medarr
Amarr Vengance Inc. Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: Tentacle Monster I don't think most of these ships have cockpits, more like a bridge with a dozen operators and the player shouting orders. I remember something along the lines of 1 cruiser = 700 crew. And it would be a cool little feature to be able to see things from within the ship.
The pod is the cockpit. but all you would see in 1st person view would be goo.
Only non-capsuleer ships have bridges.
wrong and wrong again. capsuleer ships were adapted from non capsuleer ships. and you dont even see goo as a capsuleer you see a view of the ship as is provided to you by acamera drone. Go read jovian wetgrave.
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