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Lilianna Star
SAZI Enterprises The Aslyum
82
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:41:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Because they would do the same to me if our positions were reversed.
I would use that as an opportunity to demonstrate how you are a better player than they are.
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Ghazu
70
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:42:00 -
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If you need to ask you will always be in denial. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1261
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:48:00 -
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Sadly, I do not pod kill.
Never seem to be able to lock in time, and salvagers don't do much damage... |
Beta Stryker
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
15
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:51:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:In w-space, because it forces them out of the wormhole. Elsewhere, because you never know what assets they might have nearby; it's preferable that they have to come back to you from "home" than go a few jumps and return in another ship. About your latter point. It seems less likely that they would keep their important assets somewhere other than where they keep their clone.
Since you can't clone jump into/around in WHs, a lot of WH-only corp/alliances DO have their most useful/expensive ships/items in the W-space, away from their clone.
Also, pods in w-space are simply a security risk. No local ftw. |
Lilianna Star
SAZI Enterprises The Aslyum
82
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Posted - 2012.08.31 05:03:00 -
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Beta Stryker wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:In w-space, because it forces them out of the wormhole. Elsewhere, because you never know what assets they might have nearby; it's preferable that they have to come back to you from "home" than go a few jumps and return in another ship. About your latter point. It seems less likely that they would keep their important assets somewhere other than where they keep their clone. Since you can't clone jump into/around in WHs, a lot of WH-only corp/alliances DO have their most useful/expensive ships/items in the W-space, away from their clone. Also, pods in w-space are simply a security risk. No local ftw.
Huh.
Well, one of these days I'll have to try and figure out how to operate in a wormhole corp. Because keeping your assets in wormhole space seems like a good way to lose your stuff. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
633
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Posted - 2012.08.31 05:10:00 -
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Like most of the PvP in this game, you receive instant gratification.
The entire World of Warcraft is built on this ideal, you do something and you get a meaningless pat on the back or flashy graphic.
So in essence people pod kill so they get a double pat on the back in the form of the kill mails. This makes them feel as they have accomplished something and gives them a feeling of self worth.
Skills are the same you get a nice pop up to say you have completed training something and might be entitled to a certificate.
So pod kills are just psychology. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lilianna Star
SAZI Enterprises The Aslyum
82
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Posted - 2012.08.31 05:13:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Like most of the PvP in this game, you receive instant gratification.
The entire World of Warcraft is built on this ideal, you do something and you get a meaningless pat on the back or flashy graphic.
So in essence people pod kill so they get a double pat on the back in the form of the kill mails. This makes them feel as they have accomplished something and gives them a feeling of self worth.
Skills are the same you get a nice pop up to say you have completed training something and might be entitled to a certificate.
So pod kills are just psychology.
Good observation. In fact, that's also why I don't pod kill. Knowing that I was given the opportunity when I came out victorious against a single foolhardy pirate, I decided not to take his implants and clone for its own sake.
Also, I am a bit of a certificate junkie. |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:01:00 -
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For the killmail. I will pod anyone. I'd pod myself if I weren't such a moneygrubbing misanthrope. |
Ghazu
70
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:34:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Like most of the PvP in this game, you receive instant gratification.
The entire World of Warcraft is built on this ideal, you do something and you get a meaningless pat on the back or flashy graphic.
So in essence people pod kill so they get a double pat on the back in the form of the kill mails. This makes them feel as they have accomplished something and gives them a feeling of self worth.
Skills are the same you get a nice pop up to say you have completed training something and might be entitled to a certificate.
So pod kills are just psychology. Good observation. In fact, that's also why I don't pod kill. Knowing that I was given the opportunity when I came out victorious against a single foolhardy pirate, I decided not to take his implants and clone for its own sake. Also, I am a bit of a certificate junkie.
Mutual stroking each other to a feel good happy altruistic ending can I join in? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
639
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:08:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Like most of the PvP in this game, you receive instant gratification.
The entire World of Warcraft is built on this ideal, you do something and you get a meaningless pat on the back or flashy graphic.
So in essence people pod kill so they get a double pat on the back in the form of the kill mails. This makes them feel as they have accomplished something and gives them a feeling of self worth.
Skills are the same you get a nice pop up to say you have completed training something and might be entitled to a certificate.
So pod kills are just psychology. Good observation. In fact, that's also why I don't pod kill. Knowing that I was given the opportunity when I came out victorious against a single foolhardy pirate, I decided not to take his implants and clone for its own sake. Also, I am a bit of a certificate junkie. Mutual stroking each other to a feel good happy altruistic ending can I join in? Normally I would say yes but given your history, I am sorry there is no way to say this easily. You are just going to have to mutually stoke your current friends, no one else will trust it, considering where you have been. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
142
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:28:00 -
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My most priced possession are three CCP Corpses.
Oh, how I love to look at them, hold them, fondle them.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
157
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:57:00 -
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Generally speaking I don't care about PODS, but its not all some sort of psychological "pat on the back" thrill. There is tactical purpose to taking out a pod depending on the situation.
1. The person in the pod might be their leader giving instructions on the fight. With their POD dead they are blind.
2. In the case of wars you want to punish you enemy financially as much as possible, forcing them to replace pods instead of buying ships is a good way to do that and it gives you an advantage in your war campaign.
3. PODS can act as very effective scouts as outside of warp bubbles they are pretty tough to lock and scram before they escape. Eliminating scouts makes your fleet safer.
4. Obviously in wormhole fights, popping PODS forces them out of the wormhole and often out of any conflict for a good long time thanks to the nature of wormhole entry points shifting all the time. It also prevents them from potentially warping back to their POS and getting another ship, which is a major tactical problem if your not on home turf. In wormholes POD killing is automatic and sometimes even top priority over other ships you might be fighting at the time.
5. Bounties. Nothing like that extra little bonus for PODDING someone to get paid.
6. Refusal to pay ransom. You have to recognize that if you warp scram a pod and demand a ransom, if they refuse, you have to follow through with your threat else your word is meaningless and you and your corp look weak.
7. Revenge. For me, this is often a major motivator. In any given fight my corp my lose assets worth millions, given the opportunity to get some pay back for that transgression by causing my enemy a financial loss is important for corp morale. When we fly back from a fight in which we lost ships, morale is greatly improved if I know that we did more damage than they did win or lose.
So yeah, in any given situation there is always some aspect of that situation that warrents podding. But no i personally don't automatically POD everything I can, often times when I respect an opponents skills in the fight I won't pod him, instead locking him, warp scramming, giving him a GF in local and letting them go. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
682
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:02:00 -
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For the corpses ofc. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
311
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:05:00 -
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There are tactical reasons behind podding somone but I think the main reason is to spite your target and remove implants (hopefully expensive ones.)
edit: trust frying doom to go off on one about "no honoure!". Good job underlining pvp as simply a hunt for killmails I didnt realise that was the aim. I was too busy having fun with the experience to tell. |
smokess
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
29
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Posted - 2012.08.31 09:38:00 -
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I used to do it for the ransom. If it's not paid you don't have a choice but to kill the pod or people don't take you seriously.
Now I just do it for the laugh. |
Samillian
177
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Posted - 2012.08.31 10:38:00 -
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I could say I do it for tactical reasons (which could be true)
I could say I do it for the kill mail (which could also be true)
I could say I do it just to clean up my overview (yup, a real possibility)
But mostly I do it by reflex without even realising I have done it until I see the mail. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
73
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:31:00 -
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Because I want to be hip like the kids nowadays, that's why iPod.
Seriously though, because I can. When I shoot someone it's pretty much always an enemy of sorts or at the very least an opponent in that specific battle. If given the opportunity, I see absolutely no reason not to crush them entirely which naturally includes the pod as well.
edit: the target paying ransom would make things different, those we honor. |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy
105
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Posted - 2012.08.31 13:56:00 -
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Because I can. Because I want to Because they didn't pay the ransom Because they might have shiny implants Because of those magic moments when they send you ragemail/tells Because the Fleet leader told me to. Because the suffering of another human being gives me a warm little glow Because all of the above Hell, just because. I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Balanah
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:45:00 -
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In pod we trust. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
289
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:13:00 -
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Because bots have no soul. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
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Lord Garrus
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
1996
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:25:00 -
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Because they may cry and it's fun when they do. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
463
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:26:00 -
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Xiode wrote:...because I can.
this.
Its always this. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
87
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:34:00 -
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Because they forgot to get out of there 700 mil pod before hoping into the standard once a day Test "Bring anything" fleet. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
464
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:37:00 -
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however, if its a choice of pod over point on another ship, i do choose other ship.
tears are fun, but pods dont do any damage...... http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1717
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:54:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:In w-space, because it forces them out of the wormhole. Elsewhere, because you never know what assets they might have nearby; it's preferable that they have to come back to you from "home" than go a few jumps and return in another ship.
I think pod destruction should be impossible.
But (before the howls and nerd rage)
Pods should not have a D-scan and a overview limited to stations, gates, POS.
How could there be "consquences" then?
I would replace pod destruction with the random loss or damage to implants on the event of ship destruction.
So instead of "losing it all", a feature of PVPers, EVERYBODY loses some, and this would help combat the "stupid ship loss" tactics as well as making ejecting something you have to consider.
Could they still self destruct? Well, I could imagine that Joe PVPer, who just lost 300 Million ISK of a 900 million ISK set has to look at a 50 jump trip home to get another ship, or SD the pod and lose another 600 million. Imagine someone stranded in a WH who can't SD though - they might actually have to pay someone or beg for help to get out.
If such a thing were implemented, who would cry more? The carebears (because now they could lose big ISK when the NPC kill their mission Drake) or the Uber Leet Hide-the-women-when-they-log-on PVPers who would not have the efficiency of being "podded home" to jump into another ship right away using the clone vat as a respawn point? |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
311
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:29:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:In w-space, because it forces them out of the wormhole. Elsewhere, because you never know what assets they might have nearby; it's preferable that they have to come back to you from "home" than go a few jumps and return in another ship. I think pod destruction should be impossible. But (before the howls and nerd rage) Pods should not have a D-scan and a overview limited to stations, gates, POS. How could there be "consquences" then? I would replace pod destruction with the random loss or damage to implants on the event of ship destruction. So instead of "losing it all", a feature of PVPers, EVERYBODY loses some, and this would help combat the "stupid ship loss" tactics as well as making ejecting something you have to consider. Could they still self destruct? Well, I could imagine that Joe PVPer, who just lost 300 Million ISK of a 900 million ISK set has to look at a 50 jump trip home to get another ship, or SD the pod and lose another 600 million. Imagine someone stranded in a WH who can't SD though - they might actually have to pay someone or beg for help to get out. If such a thing were implemented, who would cry more? The carebears (because now they could lose big ISK when the NPC kill their mission Drake) or the Uber Leet Hide-the-women-when-they-log-on PVPers who would not have the efficiency of being "podded home" to jump into another ship right away using the clone vat as a respawn point?
Should they also introduce soul stones and blacksmiths? |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
473
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:47:00 -
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Pods have always been the ship I have most kills on... and I can't let that stat fall....
Also, now that I get pod killmails... I pod because I'm super curious what's on the inside!!!!! |
Sierra Arodan
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:05:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:In w-space, because it forces them out of the wormhole. Elsewhere, because you never know what assets they might have nearby; it's preferable that they have to come back to you from "home" than go a few jumps and return in another ship. About your latter point. It seems less likely that they would keep their important assets somewhere other than where they keep their clone.
If you are in nul-sec and the system sov belongs to someone else odds are going to be near 100% you are not any where close to your stuff. And podding you is a security issue, nothing personal. (well that may not be true but I'm just saying.) its just business. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1053
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:10:00 -
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Why not (Zoidberg)? War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
28
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:12:00 -
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Chiming in...
For the corpses, of course!
Also, see: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119995 |
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