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Lieutenant Brooker
Gallente THE DARK KNIGHT'S WARRIOR'S Something Posing As Meat
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:23:00 -
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Personally, I don't see why everyone is getting so irate and griefing him on the forums as well. He only raised a legitimate question and some solutions to a legitimate topic. He has a very good point, it is ruining the game for some players who want to take the industrial route.
Like what he says or not, there's really no need to bone him on the forums lol. The BIG Lottery |
Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tosser Galore on 15/04/2011 17:45:17 @OP
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: J Kunjeh on 15/04/2011 17:55:03 I'm taking a hugely unpopular stance here, but I agree with some of what the OP is saying. Most of the responses make it clear that the poster isn't really considering the OP's questions seriously; I didn't read his post as him asking for ganking to be absolutely impossible to do and removing it from the game, he's just asking that CCP balance it out more. I agree that it should be more balanced, right now it's mostly in favor of the ganker.
As so many have repeated ad nauseum, NOTHING is safe in Eve...and that should include suicide ganking. It needs to be a more risky activity to engage in for noob and vet alike (right now vet's can do it mostly with impunity, especially if they're in a powerful corp).
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Phillas Ekthour
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Posted - 2011.04.15 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh Edited by: J Kunjeh on 15/04/2011 17:55:03 I'm taking a hugely unpopular stance here, but I agree with some of what the OP is saying. Most of the responses make it clear that the poster isn't really considering the OP's questions seriously; I didn't read his post as him asking for ganking to be absolutely impossible to do and removing it from the game, he's just asking that CCP balance it out more. I agree that it should be more balanced, right now it's mostly in favor of the ganker.
As so many have repeated ad nauseum, NOTHING is safe in Eve...and that should include suicide ganking. It needs to be a more risky activity to engage in for noob and vet alike (right now vet's can do it mostly with impunity, especially if they're in a powerful corp).
I actually happen to agree with this. I'll happily engage on this with my main, but I think one of the OP points that's been overlooked is the fact that a lot of account recycling happens with the gankers because they don't want to risk anything with main accounts such as standing loss, etc.and it's a flagrant EULA violation to do so. I'm not sure how CCP addresses this, it's one of the things that makes SG a more viable low SP option for some players. I gank, and I know the risks and I accept the penalties as they are. I have a bit of contempt for people who just do it for the lulz. You have to grind for a while to be able to do it with impunity as well.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.15 21:56:00 -
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I too mined in Arnon back in my earlier days. However, I didn't do it in a mining barge or exhumer. Have you considered using an Osprey? It has enough powergrid to mount a decent buffer, especially if you use shield resist mods against the damage types you're being ganked by (which, if I'm inferring correctly, is kinetic and thermal from gank Catalysts). Also if you train up for Hornet EC-300 drones and set them on auto-aggro they'll probably jam the ganker upon the first shot (though I personally wouldn't trust the auto drone mechanics and would just target the suspected ganker and wait for him to shoot first, and then manually engage with the Hornet EC-300s). ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru Edited by: Vaju Katru on 15/04/2011 10:07:46 Carebear tears
Their is no "griefing" in EvE, their is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, its part of the game, maybe you shouldn't be playing a hardcore PvP game...
i'm actually pretty much over the issue of suicide ganking, and accept it as part of the game now.
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
so i have to respectfully disagree with your comment and all the abuse aimed at me by trolls in this thread
there is 'griefing' in eve that crosses a line into real life issues ...
added to that i have seen a lot of people choose pretty offensive character names, corp names or bios just to further expound their biased views against a particular race, colour or creed in a very nasty way ..
but i'm willing to let sleeping dogs lie .. im fine with suicide ganking being a part of the game mechanics - it's been a learning experience for me
peace
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Xuthi
Minmatar FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:29:00 -
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Quote: You are in for a short and very miserable experience in this game I'm afraid.
^^^
If losing a ship to a suicide gank upsets you, then your playing the wrong game.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
A while ago someone did something similar on the forums. It offended me such that I'm now waiting til he "forgets" about me before I go out and blow him to bits a la suicide gank.
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
added to that i have seen a lot of people choose pretty offensive character names, corp names or bios just to further expound their biased views against a particular race, colour or creed in a very nasty way ..
Live and let be. Not everyone is going to be PC and some find it humorous to see others cringe at their remarks. Only thing I can say is ignore it. It isn't worth your time and energy to fret about such things. _______________________
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jasper beamsalot
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.18 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
Correct be if i am wrong but you have to bring your 'real life prejudices' into the game first before anyone can make fun/troll you on them in said game.
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: mmazing on 20/04/2011 05:33:52 Edited by: mmazing on 20/04/2011 05:31:48
Quote: but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
LOL, way to completely make stuff up ....
I didn't even TALK to you after I blew up your covetor, in fact, I never blew yours up, it must have been an alt.
How about you bust out your chat logs with some proof, or even bother to report me for nonexistent offenses?
PS : A gay racist ... I think that might be a first.
Edit : Although, I will happily make fun of any/all religions, not race however.
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Lord DarkStar
Gallente Diggers and Riggers
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lord DarkStar on 21/04/2011 06:20:19
Originally by: ShahFluffers \
A while ago someone did something similar on the forums. It offended me such that I'm now waiting til he "forgets" about me before I go out and blow him to bits a la suicide gank.
Myself im a miner, been away from the game for 3 odd years, interesting that there seems to be a bit more can flippers going on nowadays, my response? put my pvp skills to use (aka dusting them off too) and the next fool who flips my can? well if he sticks around to engage a poor defenceless miner who doesnt know how to pvp ... well .... :P
Now suicide ganking, its ok, but if he did spout racist things and so forth? Thats not cool, theres certain lines you dont cross in games and thats one of them. grief all you want, leave the world out of it is my opinion. (on a side note, i tend to make friends with those that grief me)
We of the Unicorn clan are the best horsemen in the land,our horses are our lives and brothers,we fight as one,we live as one,we die as one. |
lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:32:00 -
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10/10
So many tastey tastey bites
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JitaBUGz TheGreat
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder OP, simply move to another system.
Yup Yup, or join a true mining corp(they take all kinds of noobs) But they have orca support, most have some good pvpers. Almost any decent mining corp will replace ur ganked loss. They work further out from the main hubs, so finding a ganker out were they are at is very unlikly. Those corps, every now and then get war deced-and with this u can learn to fight back.
Just wait till u afk, and ur barge gets ganked leaving u afk in a pod. Then some turd just like me comes around and pops ur pod for being a not so smart personBy By Implants, and this creates all kind of nice hate mail!!
In short join a large mining corp, of learn to mine in systems that are quiet. Align is ur friend.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.21 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Belthazor4011 Edited by: Belthazor4011 on 05/04/2011 15:58:58 Concord equals cops, cops won't stop you shooting anyone IRL now do they? They just come after you and punish you as Concord does.
If they arrest you you'll be in prison for a very long time and your post prison life won't exactly be a bundle of laughs. In some places you'll get a death penalty; spend 30 years on death row until they decide to kill you. Thats if they do arrest you and not kill you in the process of stopping you shooting people.
In EVE all you get for that is a small sec hit and a bank payment.
I'm not seeing the parallels here.
I don't have a problem with suicide ganking but the fact the insurance pays out afterwards is daft.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.21 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Belthazor4011
Concord equals cops, cops won't stop you shooting anyone IRL now do they? They just come after you and punish you as Concord does.
If they arrest you you'll be in prison for a very long time and your post prison life won't exactly be a bundle of laughs. In some places you'll get a death penalty; spend 30 years on death row until they decide to kill you. Thats if they do arrest you and not kill you in the process of stopping you shooting people.
In EVE all you get for that is a small sec hit and a bank payment.
+1 never understood how do people can equal Concord and RL police? this is completely different systems. Concord simply doesn't work.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.21 13:05:00 -
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Solution is simple. Turn all of eve into lowsec/nullsec. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy Solution is simple. Turn all of eve into lowsec/nullsec.
simple solution != better solution
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Derrick Lang
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Posted - 2011.04.21 19:38:00 -
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I think the insurance company needs to be more discerning. Imagine trying to get your rl insurance to pay to fix your car after you crash while running from the police. Same should be true in eve. If you are killed by concord your policy should be nullified and not paid out. That is the ONLY change I would be willing to make regarding suicide ganking. Does it make it impossible to gank? No, just means you need to pick bigger targets. And in the case of a destroyer it means very little anyways.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.04.21 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game? peace
Hey, idiot.....
He 'abused your race, color and religion?' This is an anonymous computer game. He shouldn't even know those things about you, unless you brought them up first, or posted real life info in your bio. That would make you a Grade A Moron, regardless of religion or race. In my opinion, you deserved what you got and thing your petition should be ignored and/or laughed at by the GMs.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 10:20:00 -
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All the covetors he killed were terrible fail fitted, a dc would have saved any of them.
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.04.25 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Debrie on 25/04/2011 11:35:36 1) make a change so you get no insurance payout when "flagged criminal"
2) make the criminal pay max insurance payout possible to the victim (weather they had insurance or not)
3) if dont have the funds to pay the victim , make the charicter unable to be deleated EVER , and unable to pvp EVER untill payment is made (target someone activate guns "nasty noise gggnnn***k srry concord has blocked your weapon systems in accordance with criminal activities section 1105.425 subsection 2315.74 failure of payment of past criminal activities"
:p
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.04.25 13:43:00 -
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He said something to offend you, seriously?
This sort of attitude grinds me a bit. So what if you were offended. You know what happens when you get offended?
Nothing. Nothing happens. Man up.
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IGNATIUS HOOD
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Posted - 2011.04.25 15:41:00 -
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Ohh, you poor thing. realize this. Eve is a ***** mistress and her lessons are hard earned. use your d-scann, watch local, be aware of your surroundings and GTFO at the first sign of trouble. I have never been ganked in HS, now getting cornholed while clearing Sleepers in WHs, this I have encountered. Until you lose 150 million ISK in ship, fits, and plants becuase you were stupid and arrogant don't whine and. Buy another ship. Obv. If you're in a Covetor you're not really a n00b IMO. Spend the ISK learn Exhumers buy a Hulk and at least make it tough. Or like posted above, make some friends and get them to watch your back.
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Ji'kahr
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.04.26 07:05:00 -
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He abused your race, colour and religion?
Sorry, I don't get this either. At least not from a role-playing perspective.
I am an Amarrian involved in Faction war. Amarrians are religious to the point of being zealots, and enslaved the Minmatar (presumably) because they believed them to be an inferior race. Some of the Minmatar, such as the Brutors, are dark-skinned in appearance, Sebeistors seem to be oriental looking. That would make at least some, if not all Amarrians racist intolerant religious zealots. There was no help for the persecuted Minmatar for hundreds if not thousands of years until the Amarrians tried to enslave the Jovians, and got their lily-white butts handed back to them on a tritanium platter. This is the story line of EVE.
I can't stand racist religious zealots in real life. I wish they didn't exist at all. As role-play in EVE though, it's a fun role to play. It also gives my Minmatar opponents a role-play reason to seek me out and kill me. It makes it a little more fun for them too, I think. It provides a bit more meaning to Faction war than just getting kill-mails.
So really, abusive remarks about someone's race, religion and colour doesn't hold much weight in EVE. I mean certainly, if he was directing these insults to you as a person...but how would he know? Lucky guess? You also have to remember that there are a lot of 12 year old playing EVE. It helps to have a thick skin, or develop one.
I have an alt that does mining too, so I understand your frustration. However, EVE is all about 'helping yourself', even if that means joining a corporation of miners with Orca support, PVP skills, and a guard flying a battleship to protect against gankers. I almost got ganked as a miner once too, and I would have lost my Retriever if it wasn't for my drones (and CONCORD of course). My suggestion to you would be to train up your drone skills and get some tech 2 Hobgoblins. Expensive yes, but they should be able to handle pretty well any tech 1 frigate. Also, keep aligned and stay aware. If someone aggresses you, pull in drones, warp away to station. Dock.
Furthermore, you could make A LOT more money and learn a lot more by running missions than you can from solo mining.
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Choc talar
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Posted - 2011.04.26 08:30:00 -
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Try this: mine in a group with ORCA, set ORCA up to be able to tank a bit (its shilds are already pretty massive). Dock Hulk while Orca is warping, takes forever to get into warp anyway, undock with combat ships and enjoy the PVP.
My point is I do mine often with my corp buddies as we need the minerals to manufacture so we turn a profit, but we always do it in a group and always have protection. we also always have 1 really bored member sitting there for protection as we do this as a corp operation. You will always have the possibility of getting ganked, welcome to Eve! Oh, and always be aware of the tactical situation, if you see something dangerous warp into your belt it's probably time to start getting out of there anyway. We always keep a couple of ships docked in ORCA just for this reason.
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Lucson Eversore
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:46:00 -
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First let me make one point perfectly clear, I hate griefers. They play the game to ruin yours. They are also the first bunch to cry when someone does it to them.
With that said people get ganked. A couple of months ago a guy lost a 74 Billion ISK battle ship. Did he post anything about it, did he cry to CCP because his ship got blown? No. He knew what we was risking.
This game is unfriendly. It is unfair. It is as close to real life as an MMO is going to get. It is why I play it, and why it gets my blood pumping. If you want to go solo and be completely protected, then play another game.
CCP has set out a basic rule set and punishment. Accept it or move on.
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Battleship Bob
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Derrick Lang I think the insurance company needs to be more discerning. Imagine trying to get your rl insurance to pay to fix your car after you crash while running from the police. Same should be true in eve. If you are killed by concord your policy should be nullified and not paid out. That is the ONLY change I would be willing to make regarding suicide ganking. Does it make it impossible to gank? No, just means you need to pick bigger targets. And in the case of a destroyer it means very little anyways.
QFT
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Joseph Eisenhorn
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Posted - 2011.04.27 19:29:00 -
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Speaking as a new player myself (Still less than 1 mill SP) this is why I joined EVE! I want brutal, no interference player on player action! Oh and Picard is a chump, Kirk for life! |
morph1277
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Posted - 2011.04.28 04:25:00 -
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i like tator tots
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evomad2
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Posted - 2011.04.28 12:16:00 -
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You can solo gank covetors with a trial alt in a destroyer in high-sec AND make a profit??
Wow, thanks for the heads up OP, sounds like fun
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