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Zynan Jade
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 00:02:00 -
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I've heard this mentioned on some forums but no description. How do you "farm LP"? |
Rams Trough'put
Perpetual Innovations Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.31 00:36:00 -
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My best guess is just keep doing missions for a certin corp or empire. I been hanging around doing missions for federation customs and such. |
Braxus Deninard
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 01:01:00 -
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FW plexes. |
Zynan Jade
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:25:00 -
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Don't understand. Please elaborate. Can I use my LP's in some other way than using them to get modules, ammo, and other things? |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:42:00 -
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You use LP to purchase certain faction stuff and implants and what-not.
You gain LP for running missions for agents (use the same company or you spread your winnings.
You also gain (a lot of) LP for running faction warfare sites and making enemy militia kills. When people talk about farming LP they likely mean FW Sites. The idea behind these sites is that you must spend a certain timer in the site in lowsec to capture the site for your team, or to defend your from the enemy. You only get LP from attacking enemy sites, not defending your own (someone correct me pls if this is not the case). There are varying amounts and difficulties of rats in the sites to prevent you from staying there for the timer. Idea being you jump in, kill rats and sit next to capture point waiting for the timer to run out.
However..
Factional warfare is a little overpowered at the moment. This is because rank newbies can run the biggest hardest sites in simple speed tanked frigates without having to fire a single shot. Just orbit the control point at massive speed and laugh as the rats attempt to hit you with their pants tracking.
What i suspect is that one day soon the rats will get buffed to include more webs and scrams and other tactical options. This would go a long way to prevent speed tanking the rats at the sites.
Out of interest i recently saw an enemy (caldari) militia member sitting in a gallente site surrounded by rats. He wasn't moving but was taking no aggro at all, he was definitely in range and an enemy militia member in a gallente owned system. Can anyone enlighten me how this was possible? When i asked him he just said "you gotta make real good friends with them, really". Is this to do with gallente standings or something? Quite confused me :) If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Major Trant
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.31 10:21:00 -
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Yes farming LP usually relates to FW. There are three ways to gain LP in FW.
1. Run FW missions. These are accepted from an agent like regular missions for other NPC corporation agents and requires standing with the relevant NPC corp, in the Minmatar militia for example it is with "Tribal Liberation Force". L4 FW missions are most effectively run in Stealth Bombers, they pay around 30,000 LP per mission (with Security Connections IV) and involve around 6-9 jumps travel through low sec and then 10-15 minutes in the low sec mission space killing a 'Commander' Battleship, or a shield generator or half a dozen Industrial ships. All guarded by a small fleet of NPCs from the opposing faction navy which can be left alive. Easy right? Yes if there is no enemy player interference. The issue is that as soon as you warp to the mission gate it spawns a beacon in space like a cyno and enemy players in system can warp to it. For this reason it is best to only accept missions in systems that are owned by your faction and less likely to have enemy players in them. At this point in time Minmatar and Caldari dominate their respective battlefields and these are the factions that are best able to farm FW missions.
2. Run FW plexes. These spawn regularly in FW systems, at least 6 an hour per system if they are being actively run. It is the running of these plexes that can allow systems ownership to be flipped by a certain faction. If you run these plexes in systems that your faction own, they are termed defensive plexes and the NPCs are friendly to you. You get nothing for completing them other than a -0.7% to -1.0% lowering of the overall system contested value. If you run them in systems owned by the enemy faction, they are termed offensive plexes, the NPCs are hostile to you, you get a +0.7% tp +1.0% raising of the overall system contested value AND you get LP - from between 10,000 for a minor plex to 30,000 for a Major unrestricted. To capture the plex requires you to orbit a bunker inside while tanking or killing the NPCs (offensive only, defensive - NPCs are friendly). It takes 10 minutes for a minor, 15 for a medium and 20 for a Major. Once again a beacon spawns in space as soon as the first player attempts to warp to one. Unlike 1. The best factions to farm LP in this manner are the factions that are on the back foot. Namely Amarr and Gallante at this point in time. These people have the choice of loads of systems, many of them backwater and unoccupied by opposing players to farm offensive plexes for the LP. The 'winning' factions have very few systems available to run offensive plexes and they are usually swarming with opposing faction ships trying to hold the systems. Great fights occur in these plexes, they aren't farmed. The advantage of farming LP in this manner is that it doesn't matter if you have to abandon a plex due to enemy interference, there is no standing loss for failure to complete. The disadvantage is that other friendly farmers can come into the plex you have been running and grab half the LP just for being on the 'button' at completion. There is much animosity directed at the 'farmers' who earn LP this way with a favourite phrase that 'PvP' people like to come out with is 'farmers in gunless frigate speed tanking the majors'. I've yet to see such a gunless frigate, most times I've tried to speed tank a plex I've ended up losing the ship. The exception is an Arty fit Wolf, then I killed the smaller rats which is hardly a definition of speed tanking.
3. The final way to earn FW LP is to kill enemy players. I've seen a carrier pay 10000 LP to each of 50 of us on grid when it died. But typically 200-300 Lp per kill is more common. You don't have to be on the killmail, just on grid. In fact you don't get LP if you are on the KM, but not on grid at the time of death. Personally I wouldn't describe this method of gaining LP as farming. But if you like PvP you can get this as an Aside. Currently joining Amarr or Gallente at this time is the most likely way to get kill based LP.
So what does LP make? Lets take the Stabber Fleet Issue as a base. When the Minmatar Militia hit Tier 5, this costs 11250 LP in the LP store, plus around 12M-14M in other goods and can be sold for around 55M-60M in Jita. Thus FW Missions or offensive plexing can net you around 250M Isk per hour if there is no enemy player interference.
The big proviso though is the ability of your Militia to hit tier 5. I won't go into details but it is loosely related to your Militia owning most (+85% ish) of the battlefield systems and then 'upgrading' all of them at the same time. Both Minmatar and Caldari do this regularly and did it as recently as last weekend. Amarr and Gallente struggle to reach tier 4 at this moment in time and have to 'cash out' their LP at less favourable rates. At tier 4 a Stabber Fleet Issue costs 22500 LP and it doubles for each lower level upto 180,000 LP at Tier 1. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:05:00 -
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It used to be that if your faction standings were high enough towards the 'enemy' faction their NPCs would not attack you. I know, very lame. I am not sure how high they had to be or if this still works. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:53:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:It used to be that if your faction standings were high enough towards the 'enemy' faction their NPCs would not attack you. I know, very lame. I am not sure how high they had to be or if this still works.
Confirming it still works as of 1 week ago. Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:33:00 -
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If you have high standings with an NPC group, they will not attack you... This allows some players with the right standings to run enemy plexes and have the enemies ignore you....
There is a second part to farming LP that people are not mentioning....
You can gain LP moderately rapidly in FW by running LP stores.... but the worth of FW LP is not static... Once a militia controls enough systems, they can upgrade their systems... one of the benefits of upgrading systems is that the LP cost of items changes.... at lvl 1, 1 FW LP == 1/4th a standard mission runner's (MR) LP.... at LvL 3, 1 FW LP == 1 MR LP.... at LvL 5, 1 FW LP = 4 MR LP....
As such, you hear about militia pushing to capture enough systems to go Level 5, and then they turn in all their LP when it's pretty valuable.... There are upsides and downsides to this... as most FW people then flood the market with the good they bought and it causes large market fluctuations... |
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