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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:25:00 -
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As some of you probably noticed, the new forums are online... and these forums here will be closed (made read-only) very soon.
I have only two minor regrets... one, that I will be forever in second place after Dark Shikari (unless Chribba somehow managed to merge posts from both forums in a single statistic) and two, that the new forum format is still the ridiculous "fixed max width" one that several people complained about.
So...
Goodbye, old forums... long live the new forums ! _
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:28:00 -
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and you did miss out on the #1 spot... though you will be good placed for the new ones --
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:28:00 -
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RIP
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"Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" (by 2Pac) |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:28:00 -
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I don't like the new ones at all I will most likely ramp down my posting habits noticeably. _
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Eve Industrial Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:29:00 -
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I'll miss these forums, having too many options and features isn't always a good thing (see my spreadsheet for great example).
Hopefully the new forums will be fixed by the time they make this read only.
Remember it's the quality that counts not the quantity (oer!)
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:30:00 -
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only managed #378, myself
farewell old forums, we shall miss thee (a little bit, probably not that much) _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:31:00 -
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27k of useless database records. What a waste
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Nyla Skin
Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:32:00 -
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The new forums look seriously ugly and bland, and apparently aren't working yet.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 07/04/2011 14:37:32
Originally by: Nyla Skin The new forums look seriously ugly and bland, and apparently aren't working yet.
Well, the "non-working" part will probably be sorted out sooner rather than later... ...but the "ugly" part, I somehow doubt it.
Even on these forums I was mildly miffed by the fact that the sides are "cut" by the nav-panel in the left and the nigh-useless search button on the right, but on the new forums, they're cut thinner than here and for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. Plus, the alignment/spacing choices, they also suck. Whose bright idea was it to align text on top of the cell instead of center ? _
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CCP Shiny
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:39:00 -
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Bye old forums ... you were a fine mistress.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Shiny Bye old forums ... you were a fine mistress.
I still don't get it, what was so damn hard to migrate all old threads and posts to the new forum. Or why that can't be done later. _
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Captain Tavius
Picon Fleet New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:43:00 -
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I hardly ever use smilies so I guess now is as good a time as any to use them, goodbye old forumz!
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Shiny Bye old forums ... you were a fine mistress.
I still don't get it, what was so damn hard to migrate all old threads and posts to the new forum. Or why that can't be done later.
^THIS --
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:45:00 -
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Yeah, goodbye.
As for the new ones, ugly and sloooow.
For those who are familiar with greasemonkey, css or some other kind of forum magic. I will gladly pay you some ISK if you can provide some make-up for that ugly newborn.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Shiny Bye old forums ... you were a fine mistress.
I still don't get it, what was so damn hard to migrate all old threads and posts to the new forum. Or why that can't be done later.
:effort: and :ccp: don't mix, Plank bubble and everything... There are no macrominers in EVE |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:46:00 -
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Farewell good ol' forums. You were a great pleasure!
I will miss you most certainly. Already dislike the new forums - they look like being designed for idiots and complete ******s.
And they are far less readable... oh well ... one can always hope for improvements ... soon (tm)
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T was so damn hard to migrate all old threads
Why migrate old outdated trolling trash? Majority of threads is full of stupid whine or "no content" or "OP is idiot". Nobody will miss this junkyard.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 07/04/2011 14:50:01 Can you do colors in your posts on the new forums? And if so how? I have a sell thread that's easier to read if I color some sections...
How can I do regular [ url ] codes in sigs? Doesn't seem to work right... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:51:00 -
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I too will miss the old forums. While I was never a big poster as such I have always been lurking and reading what people had to say.
Akita please don't slow your posting down because you don't like the new ones. I always enjoy reading your posts along with a couple of other select people. Your posts always make the ****ty troll posts worth sifting through.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:55:00 -
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Byebye |
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StarScream Xion
Caldari Xion Limited
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:59:00 -
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Posting as It's probably my last opportunity to do so on these forums as they exist now.
Now I'm off to lurk and not post on the new forums much like I have done on these forums for the last 2 years or so ^^;
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmatiko Why migrate old outdated trolling trash? Majority of threads is full of stupid whine or "no content" or "OP is idiot".
Really ? Then why have forums at all ? You don't think the new ones will contain mostly the same things ? _
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Laya Rale
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:08:00 -
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They should import all 90 day and less threads. I don't see why it should be impossible.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:11:00 -
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I will miss you. I think the new forum needs some more serious development. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed |
Metalcali
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:16:00 -
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Will truly miss you old forums, good times |
Nyla Skin
Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:17:00 -
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Akita, your links in the topic post don't seem to work.
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I don't like the new ones at all I will most likely ramp down my posting habits noticeably.
ditto. now I know nobody is going to miss your ****poasting.
but an artist such as myself .. its a travesty.
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:29:00 -
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New Forum Search is giving a Planck Bubble Stabilizer error, looks like they're in beta still.
They were working a few minutes ago.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:30:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4314&find=unread "A few reasons these new forums suck (...and here's hoping for some quick fixes)"
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:34:00 -
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Bye old forums. You were terrible and useless, but i'll miss you!
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Flynn Fetladral
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:38:00 -
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Thanks for all the fish old forums! o/
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4314&find=unread "A few reasons these new forums suck (...and here's hoping for some quick fixes)"
so true.
also, I shall ever be immortalized as the n¦8 of the old forums. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Clementina
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:56:00 -
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I have managed to be forum ***** #2721 on these forums. Although Chribba only runs the algorithm that determines forum ***** rank every once and awhile.
I've taken a look at the new forums some time ago. They sucked, They didn't have enough 'room' for posting I noticed.
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:57:00 -
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I hope the archive of these forums is kept around. There is much history and nostalgia herein.
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Gistatis Tribunus
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:01:00 -
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It's been fun, that's for sure. :21guns:
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:06:00 -
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will be strange after all this time here ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rouge Drone I hope the archive of these forums is kept around. There is much history and nostalgia herein.
Well, yeah, at least that they said they would do. How long, no idea. There's always eve-search though... for now, anyway. _
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Zaknussem
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:08:00 -
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Out with the old crap, roll in the new crap. |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T As some of you probably noticed, the new forums are online... and these forums here will be closed (made read-only) very soon.
I have only two minor regrets... one, that I will be forever in second place after Dark Shikari (unless Chribba somehow managed to merge posts from both forums in a single statistic) and two, that the new forum format is still the ridiculous "fixed max width" one that several people complained about.
So...
Goodbye, old forums... long live the new forums !
Epic troll! Though it was CCP trolling themselves lol ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs |
Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:33:00 -
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Posting in a read-only thread.
Wait a minute....
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:35:00 -
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Goodbye new forums! Hurrah old forums! -- There's a place called kugutsumen.com but don't go there. It's icky. |
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:37:00 -
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This changes are awesome. Look, signatures are fixed -------------------------------- No sig, is a sig as well. |
Valator Uel
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:40:00 -
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Everything working perfectly! OP SUCCESS!
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:45:00 -
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Well this is kind of ****ed up isn't it? Also I guess Akita T gets to break Dark Shikaris record as well
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Riedle
Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I don't like the new ones at all I will most likely ramp down my posting habits noticeably.
LOL yeah right.
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Naya Sky
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:56:00 -
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Akita start poasting so you can get No.1 before they close down these forums again.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:01:00 -
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ALL PRAISE THE <INSERT_DEITY_NAME_HERE>!!!
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CRA5HD0WN
Caldari Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:03:00 -
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Back so soon...
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:05:00 -
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Um... I'm impressed with your posting statistics. I've always been happy just being in the top 100 myself.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:06:00 -
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I particularly like to remember that post a few hours ago by... CCP Navigator, was it ? The one in which, as a response to my plea to temporarily reopen these tried and true old forums until the new ones get a thorough checkup, he said (paraphrasing) "the new forums are tied into EVE Gate, the old ones will never be reopened".
Well, I guess today is never _
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Naya Sky
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:06:00 -
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Some statistics; according to EVE-Search you typed 30,030,948 characters which is about 6,006,189 words (assuming 5 characters per word). Let's say you type with an average speed of 40 words per minute. That means that you have spent 150,154 minutes typing, which translates to 2,502 hours typing. So all in all you have spent 104 days (24 hours a day) doing nothing else but typing. Whoa!
PS: It's 2AM so I might made a mistake.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I particularly like to remember that post a few hours ago by... CCP Navigator, was it ? The one in which, as a response to my plea to temporarily reopen these tried and true old forums until the new ones get a thorough checkup, he said (paraphrasing) "the new forums are tied into EVE Gate, the old ones will never be reopened".
Well, I guess today is never
I hear they just opened up a new ice-skating rink in hell
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Naya Sky Some statistics; according to EVE-Search you typed 30,030,948 characters which is about 6,006,189 words (assuming 5 characters per word). Let's say you type with an average speed of 40 words per minute. That means that you have spent 150,154 minutes typing, which translates to 2,502 hours typing. So all in all you have spent 104 days (24 hours a day) doing nothing else but typing. Whoa! PS: It's 2AM so I might made a mistake.
Minus quoted stuff, of course, which still counted as typed characters. And roughly just as much logged into the game. _
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:14:00 -
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What's this? Welcome home? :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:14:00 -
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So Akita, how does it feel having Navigator backtrack his rather harsh "never going to happen, locked" in your thread suggesting reverting to this forum? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:16:00 -
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Man I got to say I love these new forums, but where is the like button everyone's been talking about?
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Maximillian Dragonard
The Social Club INFINITY.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:20:00 -
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I've got a sneaking suspicion this is only a temporary respite..
They've sunk too much time into Eve Gate to go down without a fight
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero So Akita, how does it feel having Navigator backtrack his rather harsh "never going to happen, locked" in your thread suggesting reverting to this forum?
A bit of happy (because the right thing happened) with a bit of sad (because Navigator is not a bad guy, but he ended up in a bad place due to an unknown proportion combination of personal belief and company policy). I have to admit, I didn't really think they'd roll back to these old forums, and the fact that they did is BOTH a sign that there's still some hope on one hand, and a sign that something really ugly happened Iceland-side on the other hand.
I shudder to think what exactly happened to make them break down and reopen this old version. And I also wonder how long they'll stay open. Again, on one hand, I hope they stay open for a longer time (because the new forum was atrocious in MANY, MANY WAYS), yet on the other hand, I hope they manage to not just patch them up but also fix most of the complaints presented (if they only fix the security concerns, nothing was gained).
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Mortania
Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Naya Sky Some statistics; according to EVE-Search you typed 30,030,948 characters which is about 6,006,189 words (assuming 5 characters per word). Let's say you type with an average speed of 40 words per minute. That means that you have spent 150,154 minutes typing, which translates to 2,502 hours typing. So all in all you have spent 104 days (24 hours a day) doing nothing else but typing. Whoa! PS: It's 2AM so I might made a mistake.
Minus quoted stuff, of course, which still counted as typed characters. And roughly just as much logged into the game.
And 40 wpm is pretty slow for self-posted thoughts, too.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I shudder to think what exactly happened to make them break down and reopen this old version. And I also wonder how long they'll stay open. Again, on one hand, I hope they stay open for a longer time (because the new forum was atrocious in MANY, MANY WAYS), yet on the other hand, I hope they manage to not just patch them up but also fix most of the complaints presented (if they only fix the security concerns, nothing was gained).
Probably the fact the default template pages for the forum software were still found to be enabled (The default signup pages, terms of service, password reset functions) although to no function. Also, the fact that they've made it seem as if they've put blood sweat and tears into the creating the new forums, only to have it discovered that it's a copy paste job with a reskin and then shoehorned into Evegate. (Hello), that much is painfully obvious to ANYONE who looked at the HTML/CSS. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:33:00 -
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whats happened to the new forum? what bug they found on it?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T (because the new forum was atrocious in MANY, MANY WAYS)
Pff. I've updated that list with at least 4 more points by now, not counting some examples of old points that could conceivably be broken out into their own points because they don't quite fit the labels I originally put on the listà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:35:00 -
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I hope that there will be long enough timeout now for them to finish the product and not force us to beta test it again. At least they got plenty of feedback and data to chew now. Its a good thing.
Im sure that decission to revert back to old forums wasnt one they really wanted to make, but it was good call. Thank you for that. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 00:36:55
Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow whats happened to the new forum? what bug they found on it?
Let's see... short recap... what could a person with the proper knowledge do...
First, you could post as anybody (including CCP staff or even NPCs). You could edit anybody else's posts. You could see into normally hidden subforums, look at deleted posts. You could access forum moderator functions. And so on and so forth.
Then the forums went down, back up patched...
...and pretty much the same thing happened again, but slightly differently.
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Akita T (because the new forum was atrocious in MANY, MANY WAYS)
Pff. I've updated that list with at least 4 more points by now, not counting some examples of old points that could conceivably be broken out into their own points because they don't quite fit the labels I originally put on the listà
Let me guess... ...you didn't keep a copy of it locally on your PC How much do you want to bet the new forums will come back without content posted ?
j/k
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow whats happened to the new forum? what bug they found on it?
They trusted the client too much, which resulted in people being able to manipulate cookies to edit other peoples posts, or to get access to subforums only for mods/etc. Then when they came back up, the person they banned who informed them of it, showed them they had not, infact, fixed it by posting from his now banned account. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Ulmega
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:37:00 -
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I actually think I am going to bring out a toast to the 'new' forums
*Fills glass with a good scotch single malt*
"to the 'new' forums may they last for many years"
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I particularly like to remember that post a few hours ago by... CCP Navigator, was it ? The one in which, as a response to my plea to temporarily reopen these tried and true old forums until the new ones get a thorough checkup, he said (paraphrasing) "the new forums are tied into EVE Gate, the old ones will never be reopened".
Well, I guess today is never
CCP's hubris is not exclusive to CCP Greyscale.
Part of excellent software design is understanding when customer feedback may have relevance. CCP will learn this even if they have to be beaten over the head time and time again.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T and the fact that they did is BOTH a sign that there's still some hope on one hand, and a sign that something really ugly happened Iceland-side on the other hand.
Not only something ugly in the company, but they were willing to strip out whole sections of functionality in an attempt to bodge a fix. Rolling back must mean that the code is in really, really bad shape.
I'm no pro coder, but from what I understand this is far more than some exploitable holes that were left open, it seems like a much deeper architectural problem. There will be no quick fixes to make it better, they're going to have to go back to scratch on some things.
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Naya Sky
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Naya Sky on 10/04/2011 00:40:49
Originally by: Blane Xero Then when they came back up, the person they banned who informed them of it, showed them they had not, infact, fixed it by posting from his now banned account.
Why would they ban someone for showing them security holes? >.<
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
How much do you want to bet the new forums will come back without content posted ?
That's what I'm betting on now :p, I say new forums will come back up again wiped.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 00:44:47
Originally by: Naya Sky
Originally by: Blane Xero Then when they came back up, the person they banned who informed them of it, showed them they had not, infact, fixed it by posting from his now banned account.
Why would they ban someone for showing them security holes? >.<
Because he didn't restrain himself to JUST tell it to CCP, but told it to everybody and left CCP "with egg on its face". Justifiable or not, a tempban was kind of coming either way. Now, not so sure about permaban, which I guess is what he actually received. _
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 00:44:10
Originally by: Naya Sky
Originally by: Blane Xero Then when they came back up, the person they banned who informed them of it, showed them they had not, infact, fixed it by posting from his now banned account.
Why would they ban someone for showing them security holes? >.<
Because he didn't restrain himself to JUST tell it to CCP, but told it to everybody. Justifiable or not, a tempban was kind of coming. Now, not so sure about permaban, which I guess is what the actually received.
Even though he petitioned to them about it way before he told the people on scrapheap. He only told folks because CCP was mute on the issue and apparently he was pretty damn sure other people were aware of, and preparing to abuse the system. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:45:00 -
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>> Catari Taga <<
just checking to see if his name got added to the profanity filter
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Let me guess... ...you didn't keep a copy of it locally on your PC
Weeellà Let's just say this:
For all it's faults and foibles, these forums have at least taught me to compose important messages as txt files first. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 00:46:55
Originally by: Blane Xero Even though he petitioned to them about it way before he told the people on scrapheap. He only told folks because CCP was mute on the issue and apparently he was pretty damn sure other people were aware of, and preparing to abuse the system.
Mind you, I'm not saying I would have not been mightily tempted to do something similar in his situation...
Originally by: Tippia For all it's faults and foibles, these forums have at least taught me to compose important messages as txt files first.
Didn't yahoo mail teach you that a decade ago ?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Blane Xero Even though he petitioned to them about it way before he told the people on scrapheap. He only told folks because CCP was mute on the issue and apparently he was pretty damn sure other people were aware of, and preparing to abuse the system.
Mind you, I'm not saying I would have not been mightily tempted to do something similar in his situation...
Tbh, I'd have done the same thing he did. At this point, I'd be ****ed about losing my account, but it'd finally solve my addiction to the forum drama _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 10/04/2011 00:49:34 Best would be that they just wiped them and transferred data from these forums when it is time to permanently move there... making some script to do that during game downtime isn't too difficult and could be tested forehand. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 00:44:47
Originally by: Naya Sky
Originally by: Blane Xero Then when they came back up, the person they banned who informed them of it, showed them they had not, infact, fixed it by posting from his now banned account.
Why would they ban someone for showing them security holes? >.<
Because he didn't restrain himself to JUST tell it to CCP, but told it to everybody and left CCP "with egg on its face". Justifiable or not, a tempban was kind of coming either way. Now, not so sure about permaban, which I guess is what he actually received.
He discovered a flaw which the majority of people who understand these things readily accept was a MASSIVE security flaw and he abused it for his own amusement. The fact that he did attempt to bring it to CCP's attention is highly commendable, but his subsequent actions ensured his rapid and warranted banning. I think CCP did the right thing on that front at least, if nothing else.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:51:00 -
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Taken from the sticky that came up after the revival of these forums...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: CCP Wrangler It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. We have opened up our trusted old forums for your posting pleasure and we will be keeping the new forums down until they can be sorted out. There will be more information on this on Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we thank you for your patience and understanding.
CCP needs to apologize for throwing out untested unfinished unpolished rubbish at customers as well, to a community that is so dedicated to your company's product and expecting nothing but excellence and deliverance, this is an insult.
You have my sincere and personal apology and I also apologize on behalf of CCP.
Security holes aside, how about an assurance that user feedback will be actually USED next time you ask us to test the forums ? Or what about making the new forums not just barely functional and somewhat secure, but actually a clear improvement over the current ones in every single way ? _
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BuckStrider
Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:51:00 -
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If the FUBAR new forums took 13 guys and 18 months to develop, I'm scared
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:05:35
Can anybody think of something good to say about the (temp suspended) new forums ? OTHER THAN an actually functional search function ? I mean, a feature which actually WAS a noteworthy improvement over these forums right here ? One that really worked as it should, not buggy as hell. And it would have to be an OBJECTIVE improvement, not just a stylistic personal taste choice.
I can honestly think of none other than the search that was useful to me personally. And even that wasn't such a big deal considering eve-search is around, and google works reasonably well too. _
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: BuckStrider If the FUBAR new forums took 13 guys and 18 months to develop, I'm scared
The thing is, despite the actual forums themselves being open source and almost fully built out of the box, there was the integration into eve-gate to consider, as well as the integration with the rest of CCP's existing server architecture. Who knows how long it actually takes to do integration on that scale, or just how far that integration goes.
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:05:00 -
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Honestly i kinda liked the new forums mainly for the working search and eve-gate integration (clicking on someone and seeing bio and history and corp descriptions and even being able to send an ingame mail or add a contact is pretty cool.
But now i'm worried about what could be gained from the EvE gate about a player since i think it's all done by the same guys.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: BuckStrider If the FUBAR new forums took 13 guys and 18 months to develop, I'm scared
I would be more afraid if they had 1 guy crank it out in less than a year. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:15:00 -
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Having done a very rough search on YAF (YetAnotherForum.net), the company that supplied the forum package to CCP, it seems that they are quite well known for not only providing zero support, but that their software is full of bugs, loopholes and errors that could lead to security breaches such as these happening.
So I would like to ask CCP why out of all the companies they could have gone to, did they choose to go with YAF, a company so inept that their own forums, running their own forum software, was repeatedly hacked in 2007. Did this really seem like the best choice guys? Really??
Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Isaacson it seems that they are quite well known for not only providing zero support, but that their software is full of bugs, loopholes and errors that could lead to security breaches such as these happening
For a FREE open source piece of software, what exactly do you expect ? Also, as far as we know, CCP added a lot of the security holes themselves when they integrated it into EVE-Gate. _
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: BuckStrider If the FUBAR new forums took 13 guys and 18 months to develop, I'm scared
The thing is, despite the actual forums themselves being open source and almost fully built out of the box, there was the integration into eve-gate to consider, as well as the integration with the rest of CCP's existing server architecture. Who knows how long it actually takes to do integration on that scale, or just how far that integration goes.
Why is it a good idea to integrate the forums like that?
I'm worried everytime i log into the forums from other places than my home that i'm opening a potential breach to my isk by using the same password for the forums that i use in game.
wouldn't it be good to hae a bit of an airlock seperation?
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Mortania
Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Isaacson Having done a very rough search on YAF (YetAnotherForum.net), the company that supplied the forum package to CCP, it seems that they are quite well known for not only providing zero support, but that their software is full of bugs, loopholes and errors that could lead to security breaches such as these happening.
Sounds like CCP got CCP'd.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:52:37
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: BuckStrider If the FUBAR new forums took 13 guys and 18 months to develop, I'm scared
The thing is, despite the actual forums themselves being open source and almost fully built out of the box, there was the integration into eve-gate to consider, as well as the integration with the rest of CCP's existing server architecture. Who knows how long it actually takes to do integration on that scale, or just how far that integration goes.
Why is it a good idea to integrate the forums like that? I'm worried everytime i log into the forums from other places than my home that i'm opening a potential breach to my isk by using the same password for the forums that i use in game. wouldn't it be good to hae a bit of an airlock seperation?
The better question would be, why can't THESE forums be integrated like that instead, then just work on a functional search feature ?
Also, yes, a SECONDARY login (linked to the primary account) that ONLY works for the forum/evegate (and just that, not the game client) would be awesome.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 10/04/2011 02:00:30 Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 10/04/2011 01:59:32 Would it be possible to create a modified set of API keys specific to the functions required by the forums, that can be accessed by a secondary layer of passwords and usernames? Then if the forums were ever hacked or if any more security errors cropped up, the only thing the hacker would get would be a limited access API key.
That way we could keep our standard login details as some sort of higher level security for logging in to EVE, and use the secondary "limited" details for the forums. And I am probably making no sense at all since it is now 3am
EDIT: for errors in judgement, spelling and grammar. time for bed
Damn you Akita T, does your post make mine irrelevant? I don't know, but im falling asleep.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:10:00 -
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I don't quite see what everyone is complaining about, other than the security issues that is. I've not had any eyeball melting problems with the colour scheme and the layout is alright, it's not even too far off from this forum. And why do we need such wide forums? Wider forums just mean more left-right eye movement, if I wanted that I'd watch tennis or football.
Granted, the smilies are a little more orange than I'd like but it's nothing to get worked up about.
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Irani Firecam
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley I don't quite see what everyone is complaining about, other than the security issues that is. I've not had any eyeball melting problems with the colour scheme and the layout is alright, it's not even too far off from this forum. And why do we need such wide forums? Wider forums just mean more left-right eye movement, if I wanted that I'd watch tennis or football.
Granted, the smilies are a little more orange than I'd like but it's nothing to get worked up about.
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Madner Kami
Gallente Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Madner Kami on 10/04/2011 02:38:49 Edited by: Madner Kami on 10/04/2011 02:23:50
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley I don't quite see what everyone is complaining about, other than the security issues that is. I've not had any eyeball melting problems with the colour scheme and the layout is alright, it's not even too far off from this forum. And why do we need such wide forums? Wider forums just mean more left-right eye movement, if I wanted that I'd watch tennis or football.
Granted, the smilies are a little more orange than I'd like but it's nothing to get worked up about.
Yeah, well if you insist on less left- -right eye- -movement, then I am sure we can provide you with just what you wish.
Seriously, read the things Tippia mentioned in this pseudo- -quote:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1425870&page=50#1491
CCP played it straight again. I hope whoever is responsible for this ****-up gets booted. Be it the web-developers or the one supervising/forcing them to do what has been done.
*linkage fixed*
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 10/04/2011 02:24:54
Originally by: Madner Kami
Yeah, well if you insist on less left- -right eye- -movement, than I am sure we can provide you with just what you wish.
Seriously, read the things Tippia mentioned in this pseudo- -quote:
Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
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Rico Lobo
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:05:57
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As some of you probably noticed, So...
Goodbye, old forums... long live the new forums !
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EvE forums, causing more episoded of mania than mainlining Red bull Syrup.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
Switching from 2x 1920px wide (minus minor crops) to under 1000px wide effective can have a similar psychological effect, you know ? That's what basically happened. _
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Madner Kami Seriously, read the things Tippia mentioned in this pseudo-quote:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1425870&page=50#1491
Better linkà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
Switching from 2x 1920px wide (minus minor crops) to under 1000px wide effective can have a similar psychological effect, you know ? That's what basically happened.
I don't know whether it's because I'm tired and ill or because I'm just stupid, maybe a combination of both but are you on my side or his? I can't tell.
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 10/04/2011 03:02:50
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
I'm not getting paid for beeing reasonable all the time.
Anyways, left-right eye-movement is probably the most natural/utilized eye-movement of all and you complain about it. All you'd get in exchange would be more up-down movement, which isn't exactly bad, but leads to more scrolling, which is far worse then any left-right eye-movement and I am sure you'd agree on that. Besides, the forum-width in itself realy wasn't that bad. The problem was the completely wasted space left and right, plus adding graphics there for no purpose other then looking like an advert-site. I'm all for integrating into some sort of easily recognizable scheme, but that was just meh, at best. Not to mention all the problems regarding layout/button-placement and so on (see Tippia's pseudo-quote, really, read it, it's worth it - CCP should do as well).
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Madner Kami Seriously, read the things Tippia mentioned in this pseudo-quote:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1425870&page=50#1491
Better linkà
Quoted because Tippia is right (didn't find a more suitable link then the one to your screenshot, sorry). Fixed it in above's post.
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley I don't know whether it's because I'm tired and ill or because I'm just stupid, maybe a combination of both but are you on my side or his? I can't tell.
It's not that much of a problem on my 1024px netbook, I'm used to that kind of meh-layout there. Not really a problem on my still 1280px desktop, albeit I sometimes dual-screen things because I can and it looks like a waste to have that second monitor running without anything on it. It is, however, really a problem on my wide-screen TV-set, which I sometimes use to read forums/texts, when I can't be arsed to sit at my desktop and just want to lay on my couch after a long day or just because I can.
Besides minor differences: I hope you get well soon and have a nice night, full of sleep
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
Switching from 2x 1920px wide (minus minor crops) to under 1000px wide effective can have a similar psychological effect, you know ? That's what basically happened.
I don't know whether it's because I'm tired and ill or because I'm just stupid, maybe a combination of both but are you on my side or his? I can't tell.
Yes, he exaggerated it badly. No, I'm not on your side on this one. The new forums FELT just as bad to a lot of us as you felt when you saw the way he exaggerated his post style. It felt that bad to me, and I only use 1600 wide, so I only actually experienced a minor shrinkage of display area. But many run 1920 wide, or use two monitors for even wider potential sizes, and for them, it was much, MUCH worse. _
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Yes, he exaggerated it badly. No, I'm not on your side on this one. The new forums FELT just as bad to a lot of us as you felt when you saw the way he exaggerated his post style. It felt that bad to me, and I only use 1600 wide, so I only actually experienced a minor shrinkage of display area. But many run 1920 wide, or use two monitors for even wider potential sizes, and for them, it was much, MUCH worse.
I must be the exception to the case then, I use 1680 and I find the new forums to be just right. Maybe I sit too close to the monitor..
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Akita T
Yes, he exaggerated it badly. No, I'm not on your side on this one. The new forums FELT just as bad to a lot of us as you felt when you saw the way he exaggerated his post style. It felt that bad to me, and I only use 1600 wide, so I only actually experienced a minor shrinkage of display area. But many run 1920 wide, or use two monitors for even wider potential sizes, and for them, it was much, MUCH worse.
I must be the exception to the case then, I use 1680 and I find the new forums to be just right. Maybe I sit too close to the monitor..
Optimal distance is 4-6 inches
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:53:00 -
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now that was a bumpy ride.
anyways yay old forums. ---
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:01:00 -
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You dream of this day and then it comes and you dont know what to say
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus You dream of this day and then it comes and you dont know what to say
/emote finger point <Nelson voice> HA, HA ! </Neslson voice> ? _
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Lt Angus You dream of this day and then it comes and you dont know what to say
/emote finger point <Nelson voice> HA, HA ! </Neslson voice> ?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:54:00 -
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Regarding the forum width thing, I actually prefer narrower because it's easier to keep track of what line I'm reading. There's a few studies about that regarding usability. The most recent one did show that people tend to prefer either the max or min amount of characters per line (link). Scrolling is hardly a problem when the space key is mapped as a page-down for most browsers. However, forcing the issue seems silly. I know what works best for me and that's why my browser windows are only about half screen width. Other people like very wide displays. Why restrict it to one or the other. -- There's a place called kugutsumen.com but don't go there. It's icky. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:54:00 -
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AKITA T WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me smiles from ear to ear
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:05:35
Can anybody think of something good to say about the (temp suspended) new forums ? OTHER THAN an actually functional search function ? I mean, a feature which actually WAS a noteworthy improvement over these forums right here ? One that really worked as it should, not buggy as hell. And it would have to be an OBJECTIVE improvement, not just a stylistic personal taste choice.
I can honestly think of none other than the search that was useful to me personally. And even that wasn't such a big deal considering eve-search is around, and google works reasonably well too.
I dont consider a forum search to be properly tested untill the forums have been up and running for at least a month. it it seem to take that long to see if its actualy usefull, or prone to spam you with 1,000,000 threads of nothing. .end of line.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:05:35
Can anybody think of something good to say about the (temp suspended) new forums ? OTHER THAN an actually functional search function ? I mean, a feature which actually WAS a noteworthy improvement over these forums right here ? One that really worked as it should, not buggy as hell. And it would have to be an OBJECTIVE improvement, not just a stylistic personal taste choice.
I can honestly think of none other than the search that was useful to me personally. And even that wasn't such a big deal considering eve-search is around, and google works reasonably well too.
I dont consider a forum search to be properly tested untill the forums have been up and running for at least a month. it it seem to take that long to see if its actualy usefull, or prone to spam you with 1,000,000 threads of nothing.
the level of breakage on these ones however...
the "cosmetic" issues, together with some technicalities could be fixed "on the fly" yes.
stuff started to go waaaaay south when we started to hit on security issues. that's when you really need to stop and wonder what the **** happened here. ---
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton AKITA T WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me smiles from ear to ear
They rolled back because of massive security holes that they couldn't hope to patch up. Don't think for a second that they're going to listen to a single item of our feedback outside of that.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:27:00 -
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This is making trolling very hard when they keep switching forums. I guess this is what happens when you try to add to much fluff to something that doesn't need it. Tbh CCP could have just outsourced to Vbulletin slapped a custom theme and have been done with it.
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton AKITA T WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me smiles from ear to ear
When I read that, I heard it in my head as the voice from Mortal Kombat.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:37:00 -
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Whenever Akita T fires up I always remember the the Babylone 5 mantra
.end of line.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas Whenever Akita T fires up I always remember the the Babylone 5 mantra
EVE forums controls, out ! Civilians...
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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:54:00 -
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I'd like to thank CCP for a well executed, truly heart-wrenching, and thoroughly lulzy practical April fools joke! There was despair, agony, and even a few tears.
Locking the forum was a nice touch, it had me fooled for sure!
Kudos!
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:55:00 -
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If people want new forums, what stops someone from making (and I'm making this up) Eve-Forums.com? Sure you won't get dev replies but the forum would be better than the ones that were shut down. No spacebook.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 10/04/2011 12:43:41
Originally by: Akita T [ The better question would be, why can't THESE forums be integrated like that instead, then just work on a functional search feature ?
Also, yes, a SECONDARY login (linked to the primary account) that ONLY works for the forum/evegate (and just that, not the game client) would be awesome.
DO WANT !!! after what happened here, i'm really not feeling well about this...
also, if you don't know why they use same pass ; from what i saw from others online games, all official forums always use the same password, cause when you create your game account, it's copied to forum database. remember, you never create a forum account, it's created by itself, so when they do it they simply use the info you put before, and so the same password. i remember long ago i was even able to see how many suscribers a mmo had looking at forums stats... well until i told it to a GM, as next day it was removed.
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:05:35
Can anybody think of something good to say about the (temp suspended) new forums ? OTHER THAN an actually functional search function ? I mean, a feature which actually WAS a noteworthy improvement over these forums right here ? One that really worked as it should, not buggy as hell. And it would have to be an OBJECTIVE improvement, not just a stylistic personal taste choice.
I can honestly think of none other than the search that was useful to me personally. And even that wasn't such a big deal considering eve-search is around, and google works reasonably well too.
on new forums i don't have to log on each time i want to post / see news posts on this old forum cookies never worked for me. i get logged out after +-10mn. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. ... There will be more information on this on Monday. ...
What was CCP's expectation for the new forum project? And what steps did CCP management [not] take to ensure the project's success?
Moving forward with this project, what measures will CCP management implement to ensure the success of the people architecting, coding and testing?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.11 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Akita T Also, yes, a SECONDARY login (linked to the primary account) that ONLY works for the forum/evegate (and just that, not the game client) would be awesome.
DO WANT !!!
I thought you would
Quote: on this old forum cookies never worked for me. i get logged out after +-10mn.
I'd much rather see THAT get fixed HERE instead. _
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Misanth
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Posted - 2011.04.11 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Wow, you exaggerated the crap out of that one didn't you. I don't know what kind of computer you're using but I'd send it back because if it's making things look like that then you probably got ripped off.
Switching from 2x 1920px wide (minus minor crops) to under 1000px wide effective can have a similar psychological effect, you know ? That's what basically happened.
Forums should simply resize when the browser does.
Running 1600x900 on my clients simply so I can keep 4-6 visible on my dual monitor setup. I'm guessing that means this browser is around 1000-1200 wide. I.e. so I can see local/overview behind it while I'm browsing. I.e. static forum size is not ideal for everyone. Something that adapts in size would/should be. -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.11 10:16:00 -
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Around 1200 wide here on a 1600 wide desktop, so for a 1920 wide desktop it would be roughly 1500 wide. The new forums were UNDER 1000 wide. _
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.11 11:16:00 -
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Still have to ask: why are you people running your browsers so wide (or, worse, full-screen)?
Have you tried just narrowing down the browser window and using the left-over space for something useful (e.g. a second browser window)?
I still feel that the width was one of the few things the new forums did right (but I'll admit that it was also immediately made wrong again by making the entire design static, using absolute measurements on fonts and related sizes).
You want 45û65 characters widths per line to get the best readability. At the font sizes everyone uses for full-length text, this ends up as somewhere around 500û700px width. Add some padding and sidebars to that and 1000px is pretty much to be expected (and it fits nicely on portrait-swivelled monitors). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.04.11 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Still have to ask: why are you people running your browsers so wide (or, worse, full-screen)?
Have you tried just narrowing down the browser window and using the left-over space for something useful (e.g. a second browser window)?
I multi-tab browser windows and don't do fullscreen most of the time, but maybe half or more of other sites scale to use the wider window only a few set a fixed width that wastes space like new forums. For the new forums it was just stupid IMO to not scale or allow users to choose formats, not that I actually expect CCP to bother with user choices as it 'wastes developer' time but it makes sense to my mind.
With proper line breaks wider text is fine to read for me, and I'd rather have it compressed vertically so I can reference more as I write/follow discussions that span several replies over scrolling needlessly. I bought these 'big' monitors to see more stuff it makes little sense to me to jam stuff up so I can do more scrolling. Obviously there are situations when using smaller windows to have more visible at the same time make sense but then I also use a second monitor or resize when appropriate.
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.11 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 11/04/2011 11:44:20 I use many tabs and the browser is 3/4 of my screen size... the major thing they could do is to IMPORT these forums to the new ones even if they mark them readonly.. seriously how hard can that be.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:11:00 -
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Didn't Chribba say that the post data was something like 20 GB? 48GB after all the search data is put in, plus think of how many relative links would be completely broken and need to be found, re indexed, and relinked? I could understand why they wouldn't want to undertake that. I'd rather keep the old forums intact and safe than chance them massively botching up a migration.
That would have been a funny thing for someone exploiting the characterID hole to do tho, go back to the very beginning and start force feeding posts from the old forum into the new one
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Still have to ask: why are you people running your browsers so wide (or, worse, full-screen)? [...] You want 45û65 characters widths per line to get the best readability.
It's a matter of personal preference depending on how you read.
Some people find "newspaper column" type writing to be easiest to absorb (mostly up/down eye motions), others find "formatted//paragraphed wall of text" easier to absorb (mostly left/right eye motions). Also, I hate having to scroll much, whenever you scroll, you tend to ever so slightly lose track of where you were in the text to some degree.
Myself, I am in the latter category, since I am what you could call a "speed reader". I don't exactly read each and every word slowly, I skim over a short section of the text very quickly, then track back and focus on the things that triggered the "this could be interesting" senses and read those in-depth. For speed reading, having AS MUCH TEXT AS POSSIBLE on screen at the same time without is extremely important. Well, at least for the way I do it, anyway. Like I said, it differs from person to person.
The new forums formatting basically killed my reading speed, I took much longer to go through the same amount of text. For a heavy-duty forum user, that's simply unacceptable. For the casual reader, yes, you may be right, the other "thinner" version might be better. So one has to wonder, why not let us choose ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Some people find "newspaper column" type writing to be easiest to absorb (mostly up/down eye motions), others find "formatted//paragraphed wall of text" easier to absorb (mostly left/right eye motions). Myself, I am in the latter category, since I am what you could call a "speed reader".
Yes, but even speed reading benefits from normal columns (45-65em) ù a newspaper column is much more narrow than that (commonly 20em or so).
In fact, the reason for that particular width is exactly because it allows you to speed-read: at 45em you get one or two "focus-points" per line; you can easily see both the end of the current line and the beginning of the next; the brain wastes no time searching for the next line, and you don't have to waste space on extra line-height to make that task easier. At 65em, it goes to maybe two or three such focus points ù one if you're a well-trained reader.
The problem with the left-right eye movement (even among those who prefer it) is that you quickly lose track of that line-to-line connection and have to actively search for the continuation of the text. If you're just skimming, it makes little difference ù you're just looking for the keywords ù but as soon as you actually try to read, it bogs down the brain.
What differs from person to person is whether you skim or read, far more than how you actually read. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:37:00 -
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To me it's much more easier to speed-read in the old forums. Now that I have tried both, I am very sure I like the old one more.
According to democracy we should just keep the old forums but of cause CCP will not listen; CCP never listens.
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Armoured C
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:40:00 -
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im just glad to be in the top 100
the end of a era could of been more with my sh!tposting but never mind
was a good roll wouldn't you say akita :P
http://eve-search.com/stats/Armoured%20C
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 11/04/2011 12:55:42 many things will be lost in time, when (if) these forums are closed down.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
on new forums i don't have to log on each time i want to post / see news posts
I do, actually. Since I don't technically use eve gate for anything, and game login is still separate. Only time I use eve gate is when Im at work.
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Titus Phook
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Titus Phook on 11/04/2011 13:04:50 On the readability side of things the old/current forum is definitley easier on the eyes, I run my main monitor @1680x1050 and the browser full screen, I tend to have the fonts bigger than intended using ctrl+scrollwheel in firefox. On the now defunct new forums, the text/ background colour contrast made it hard to read and ctrl+scroll didn't appear to work as well as it does here. ---------------------------------------------
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 11/04/2011 13:12:48
Originally by: Armoured C im just glad to be in the top 100 the end of a era could of been more with my sh!tposting but never mind was a good roll wouldn't you say akita :P http://eve-search.com/stats/Armoured%20C
Actually, it would appear Chribba started to integrate the new forum posts into evesearch, so the stats would be cumulative anyway.
Originally by: Tippia Yes, but even speed reading benefits from normal columns (45-65em)
It's one of the sweetspots for most, true, but for me, it's not.
Quote: The problem with the left-right eye movement (even among those who prefer it) is that you quickly lose track of that line-to-line connection and have to actively search for the continuation of the text.
That does tend to happen to me only when the text is not centered horizontally with regards to where my nose is, and only occasionally. Paragraphs help a lot too.
Quote: If you're just skimming, it makes little difference ù you're just looking for the keywords ù but as soon as you actually try to read, it bogs down the brain.
Having to scroll up and down to keep reading within the "sweet spot" of no eye strain (which is a large flat elliptical region) is much worse. For me, anyway.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
I use many tabs and the browser is 3/4 of my screen size... the major thing they could do is to IMPORT these forums to the new ones even if they mark them readonly.. seriously how hard can that be.
I totally agree with this, splitting the forum in half is just bad.
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage We Are John Galt
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:27:00 -
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Perhaps Chribba can open a "eveforum" for reading the forums, with direct links to reply/quote/etc so that the only time your exposed to the forum is when replying.
It would be amusing to see a majority of the players browsing a the official forum from a third party.
First the search was outsourced, then the whole forum.
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