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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:32:00 -
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CCP it's not hard really. Your forums aren't doing anything complex, they just query a database of posts, present information and maybe query the image server for the avatar. I don't understand how something so simple can be made so complex. Ease-of-use, user interface, robustness, security? Just please use phpBB or a well-known forum package. Clearly in-house isn't working for you, and phpBB version 3.0 is more robust and secure than anything that might get published and patched and re-patched 3 months. Hire a php developer to create any mods needed to tie into EVE gate. I'm sure you can find people here to do it for free, we are that concerned about the state of the forums.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:35:27
I guess that is one fully justified post! ehm. Needs more underlining, itallics and perhaps a sprinkling of bold? Perhaps some strikethrough to really blind us.
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Marley Browning
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:38:00 -
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No way because that would mean that a CCP product would work first try...
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai CCP it's not hard really. Your forums aren't doing anything complex, they just query a database of posts, present information and maybe query the image server for the avatar. I don't understand how something so simple can be made so complex. Ease-of-use, user interface, robustness, security? Just please use phpBB or a well-known forum package. Clearly in-house isn't working for you, and phpBB version 3.0 is more robust and secure than anything that might get published and patched and re-patched 3 months. Hire a php developer to create any mods needed to tie into EVE gate. I'm sure you can find people here to do it for free, we are that concerned about the state of the forums.
You clearly haven't been following this. The forums were NOT created in-house and are in fact re-skinned open source forums. This is most likely the only reason the security flaws slipped through as easily as they did.
Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:43:00 -
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I'm wondering what the problem is myself. Learning how to create a forum is a project in most programing for web books. And jeeze forums have been a staple from the very earliest days of the web so the mistakes that can be made must be pretty common knowledge for anyone in the busines at all.
But, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that they are attempting something unique?
Is it the interface between the game database thats an issue ? (and can't that be solved by a once a day indexing of the game info and transfer the index to the forum server?)
Well I won't guess cause thats just not my area.. but i'd love to understand the general aspects that make a forum so much more difficult in this situation that elsewhere?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai Hire a php developer
PHP is not sold by Microsoftà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Sable Blitzmann
Minmatar Massively Dynamic
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:44:00 -
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I think they are using a pre-built, open source platform called YAF. It's written in ASP (why they still use ASP I would never know).
The problem is that they need to tie it in with EVE Gate. That's where everything went wrong. They supposedly botched up some authentication features and rigged the new forums to support EVE Gate integration.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Marley Browning No way because that would mean that a CCP product would work first try...
I... I'm missing the Like button.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Marley Browning No way because that would mean that a CCP product would work first try...
I... I'm missing the Like button.
We don't like you anymore
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Marley Browning No way because that would mean that a CCP product would work first try...
I... I'm missing the Like button.
We don't like you anymore
I feel so dirty.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:53:00 -
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Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches.
^^ Truth. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches.
Then they should ask the nice Microsoft sales man about ASP.NET.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Barakkus Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches.
Then they should ask the nice Microsoft sales man about ASP.NET.
**** **** asp, you can do a much better job doing it with C++ or Delphi rather than using an interpreted language. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches.
I doubt it's any worse than CCP's custom bull****.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Marley Browning No way because that would mean that a CCP product would work first try...
I... I'm missing the Like button.
Actually, me too but I stole a little one as a souvenior...
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Natalia Kovac
Originally by: Barakkus Hell ****ing no. PHPBB is nothing but asking for security breaches.
I doubt it's any worse than CCP's custom bull****.
Problem is they used php..... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Isaacson You clearly haven't been following this. The forums were NOT created in-house and are in fact re-skinned open source forums. This is most likely the only reason the security flaws slipped through as easily as they did.
Wrong. Whatever forum they are using, in-house or not, is clearly not well-known. If it were, it would be deployed in millions of installations around the globe. It would be at this very moment used by millions of people, but not just people: it would be bombarded by the microsecond by bots, hackers, and spammers.
^^ Have a billion people test every feature every second of the day, and when something breaks have a thousand eyes on it and release a patch within the day.
That. Is how you get a robust forum. If you think that well-used open-source software is somehow less robust or secure because many people use it and many eyes watch over the code, you are painfully wrong about how good software is written and tested.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/04/2011 01:12:32 Edited by: Barakkus on 10/04/2011 01:09:21
Originally by: Nypheas Azurai
Originally by: Xavier Isaacson You clearly haven't been following this. The forums were NOT created in-house and are in fact re-skinned open source forums. This is most likely the only reason the security flaws slipped through as easily as they did.
Wrong. Whatever forum they are using, in-house or not, is clearly not well-known. If it were, it would be deployed in millions of installations around the globe. It would be at this very moment used by millions of people, but not just people: it would be bombarded by the microsecond by bots, hackers, and spammers.
^^ Have a billion people test every feature every second of the day, and when something breaks have a thousand eyes on it and release a patch within the day.
That. Is how you get a robust forum. If you think that well-used open-source software is somehow less robust or secure because many people use it and many eyes watch over the code, you are painfully wrong about how good software is written and tested.
Yeah lot of good that does when not even php can secure their own websites. Check out their latest new article...
All opensource gets you is an easy vector for an attacker to discover exploits in the system.
You don't get "a patch within a day", most of the time **** festers for months before a new build is available because you have 1000 people arguing over some stupid crap instead of fixing it for weeks. I am forced to work with opensource garbage and it's stupid. You end up with a bunch of *******s providing support and acting like fatbeards towards the people that report bugs and then ignoring things they "don't feel is important enough" to call it a bug. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Nypheas Azurai on 10/04/2011 01:22:43
Originally by: Barakkus Yeah lot of good that does when not even php can secure their own websites. Check out their latest new article...
a) phpBB is not php b) php's wiki is not php c) the server running php's wiki is not php d) poorly written code can be written in any language e) did I mention phpBB is not php?
in a clumsy way you also just proved the point didn't you? when it comes to software that millions rely on, security issues are addressed and fixed instantly. You aren't seeing php.net down are you? You aren't being redirected to old asp.net are you?
edit: as for your rant about devs, without feeding the troll, it's clear you were touched badly on a mailing list somewhere. Maybe your incompetence was exposed publically, I feel badly for you if that is the case, and some closed communities (linux kernel development?) can be that way. But not forumboard providers such as phpBB. They publish a product precisely for open public consumption and having more experience than you with such frameworks I can say they are able and willing to help the end-user.
In fact I'd go so far to say that if CCP contacted them, they would welcome CCP using their software so much so they would be more than happy to spare extra services and custom-tailored advice for whatever they need to do.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus All opensource gets you is an easy vector for an attacker to discover exploits in the system.
You don't get "a patch within a day", most of the time **** festers for months before a new build is available because you have 1000 people arguing over some stupid crap instead of fixing it for weeks. I am forced to work with opensource garbage and it's stupid. You end up with a bunch of *******s providing support and acting like fatbeards towards the people that report bugs and then ignoring things they "don't feel is important enough" to call it a bug.
Mister Balmer - is that you? I didn't you know you played E- Crap man, don't throw that chair at me, bro!
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/04/2011 01:27:04
Originally by: Nypheas Azurai
Originally by: Barakkus Yeah lot of good that does when not even php can secure their own websites. Check out their latest new article...
a) phpBB is not php b) php's wiki is not php c) the server running php's wiki is not php d) poorly written code can be written in any language e) did I mention phpBB is not php?
in a clumsy way you also just proved the point didn't you? when it comes to software that millions rely on, security issues are addressed and fixed instantly. You aren't seeing php.net down are you? You aren't being redirected to old asp.net are you?
edit: as for your rant about devs, without feeding the troll, it's clear you were touched badly on a mailing list somewhere. Maybe your incompetence was exposed publically, I feel badly for you if that is the case, and some closed communities (linux kernel development?) can be that way. But not forumboard providers such as phpBB. They publish a product precisely for open public consumption and having more experience than you with such frameworks I can say they are able and willing to help the end-user.
In fact I'd go so far to say that if CCP contacted them, they would welcome CCP using their software so much so they would be more than happy to spare extra services and custom-tailored advice for whatever they need to do.
Do you not understand that phpbb runs under php? I wouldn't touch php with a 10 foot pole due to how easy it is to break into a website running php.
Security issues are not "instantly fixed" that's a load of crap that opensource fanboi's constantly spout. That's not how it works in the opensource world and you know it.
And, no I wsan't touched in a bad place by the fatbeards in some stupid opensource community. I have to watch the bug reports for postgresql in order to keep on top of **** at work and deal with anything that they haven't fixed and probably won't fix for months. The attitudes of the people that work on postgresql, especially Tom Lane is abysmal and ****ing stupid. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 10/04/2011 01:27:25 Edited by: Jack Tronic on 10/04/2011 01:26:35 1. They are using a comparable ASPX based forum software called YAF.net 2. It isn't in house, see above 3. Stop being an ignorant fu*k who feels superior 4. You just got owned 5. Go hang yourself.
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Do you not understand that phpbb runs under php? I wouldn't touch php with a 10 foot pole due to how easy it is to break into a website running php.
I will setup a site that consists of the following
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<?php echo "hello world"; ?>
And I expect you to break into the website.
PHP is just like any other language, if someone writes bad code there will be bad code, a ruby, python,whatever site can be just as exploitable if someone does something dumb.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:26:00 -
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Bark,
If i were going to use an off the shelf web database platform (im an amateur obviously) and you think php is extrodinarily vulnerable, would you have any recomendations for some equivelent to drupal or joomala?
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:27:00 -
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PHP and ASP is so last century -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately. |
Florentis
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Nypheas Azurai Hire a php developer
PHP is not sold by Microsoftà
CCP just released the Microsoft Forum Simulator 2011 based on asp, as we see it.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Mister Balmer - is that you? I didn't you know you played E- Crap man, don't throw that chair at me, bro!
oh shi- man I see it now, how was I so blind?
Originally by: Barakkus I have no idea what I'm talking about and little web-programming experience, so here's a chair in your face
Originally by: Barakkus DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai
Originally by: Andrea Griffin Mister Balmer - is that you? I didn't you know you played E- Crap man, don't throw that chair at me, bro!
oh shi- man I see it now, how was I so blind?
Originally by: Barakkus I have no idea what I'm talking about and little web-programming experience, so here's a chair in your face
Originally by: Barakkus DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
Lol, go ahead and keep raging opensource fanboi you're about as knowledgeable as someone who just graduated from webdesign school and I wouldn't hire if my life depended on it. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
I have to watch the bug reports for postgresql in order to keep on top of **** at work and deal with anything that they haven't fixed and probably won't fix for months. The attitudes of the people that work on postgresql, especially Tom Lane is abysmal and ****ing stupid.
Right, and you never get that problem with closed source because it is bug free? And how would you fix it there on your own if for example oracle is to lazy to fix an issue with their software? With OS you have at least the chance to find a third party that will do the support for you if "the community" isn't willing to fix your "very important" problems. "Community" does not mean they work for you if you don't pay them.
Everyone that still relays on CS software with a potential lock in is in my opinion just plain stupid and takes risks no one would take in any other field.
If you still think OS has something to do with idealism then you understand nothing at all. Its the only way to get a free market in the software business. -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately. |
Yaba Yaba
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Security issues are not "instantly fixed" that's a load of crap that opensource fanboi's constantly spout. That's not how it works in the opensource world and you know it.
You misunderstand the benefits of open source. Linux isn't one of the most secure operating systems because it's closed source. The fact that iot's open source allows ANYONE to view the source and thus find bugs and patches.
The reason why the forums broke so easily is because CCP messed with the authentication system, not because they were based off an open source project.
tl;dr: everyone in this thread is dense
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