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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:22:00 -
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is in danger. The recent forum failure has spelt a very strong message: CCP is incompetent, and that "Excellence" and "Deliverance" are nothing but lies. At this rate, EVE will be dead sooner than you think.
Broken features never got fixed. "Framework expansions" never got their contents filled in. Products of complete failure wasting everybody's time. CCP has proven again and again that they do not care about pushing out rubbish as long as they keep getting enough the subscriptions. As a result they have learnt to ride on top of the fanboism, they have learnt how to feed us dreams, they have learnt how to keep us hooked, they have learnt how to earn our trust without actually doing anything about the game. But that trust has been shaken.
EVE might be heading to a brighter future, but the current CCP is not the vessel. It is a never-ending lie. The only way to win is not to play. EVE is dead, but since it is so big it still has some momentum keeping it from falling for the moment. But it is going to hit the ground very hard.
What can you do?
1. Unless you like sitting in a room by yourself staring at some screens, while sitting in a room by yourself staring at some screens, dawg, there is nothing worth waiting for in any reasonable time frame. 2. Understand that CCP isn't going anywhere. 3. Let them know that EVE heading right into a brick wall, with CCP in the driving seat.
So what do you think? Do you agree or disagree that EVE is dead? Why? Let us know your story, and don't forget to hit the like button! --->
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP has proven again and again that they do not care about pushing out rubbish as long as they keep getting enough the subscriptions.
Well, if VV is right, in about a year, they may start panicking enough to finally do what's right. Or maybe they'll start failcascading. Let's hope it's the former. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Feone
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP has proven again and again that they do not care about pushing out rubbish as long as they keep getting enough the subscriptions.
Well, if VV is right, in about a year, they may start panicking enough to finally do what's right. Or maybe they'll start failcascading. Let's hope it's the former.
I haven't seen CCP leadership 'learn' the lessons they've been through so far and I don't have much hope they will. If anything they seem more the type to redouble efforts to attract more new players which pushes more 'new shiny' or dumbing EVE down to cater to a wider audience.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:32:00 -
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I have very little faith in CCP as is. But if you're leaving, hand me your stuff first. I'll cling on to the sinking ship til the last rat is gone. -
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:32:00 -
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Hopefully they'll see some light when Incarna and Dust 514 are pushed out. Then core EVE might see some love. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
Feone
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Anddeh McNab Hopefully they'll see some light when Incarna and Dust 514 are pushed out. Then core EVE might see some love.
I'm sure there are those at CCP that echo that sentiment as a way to calm the annoyed/angry players, keep riding that hope train and paying for a sub.
Incarna has at least a year of expansions/patches featuring content, *IF* they sort of skimp on content and do nothing in regards to actual gameplay(what/why you do stuff in Incarna). Then there is the 'plan' CCP has which includes any number of new things they want to add after/onto Incarna, likely more PI development to tie in with Dust.
Dust I think is another team that will not work on EVE, might be wrong, but probably they will continue to work on Dust not hop onto Eve.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:43:00 -
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Well, Fanfest was awesome and the people on stage seemed to have captured the spirit of EVE well and want to keep it alive.
But actions speak louder than words and they REALLY NEED TO IMPROVE and listen a lot more to the playerbase and especially to the constructive feedback.
Somehow the ideas and visions of the high ranks at Fanfest seem to be swallowed up and gone to nowhere. As if Fanfest never happened. |
Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:46:00 -
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God, leave it to a couple of forum whiners putting things in perspective. Oh no...
(I'm going to quote this thread in 10 years, wouldn't suprise me if it's to one of your OP's).
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Alex Artrald
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:51:00 -
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Eve is a game that has continued to grow over 8 years (most games would be dead by now). Besides I highly doubt web design is a large part of their staff. You must remember it is a game company and not a web design company. So messing up a part of the website and realizing it in the first couple days is good enough for me.
Every company has its ups and downs. And, although I'm new here I have seen others mention that Eve hasn't always gone smoothly :P. But, they were still here till now and may return. And, it was recognized by few large gaming sites at the end of 2010 as well meaning it's obviously still doing something right...
So for now I'll play the game until I find it not enjoyable instead of jumping ship before we even see the ice burg.
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Ashlar Maidstone
Amarr Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:00:00 -
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@Calathea,
I agree, tho I only been playing right at a year and have seen enough youtube videos to see what the game was like back then compared to now which is....nothing. And, to witness first hand, the kind of attitudes displayed by CCP as a whole makes me wonder what was I thinking about that day a year ago when I first tried what I now know, a broken game, a broken forum.
I might as well throw in my vote of no confidence also. If what we just saw happened carries over to Incarna or this Dust 514 what ever it is, then certainly I will agree that Eveonline is dead and will be in due time.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:03:00 -
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Now where is that stupid like button when I need it....
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:11:00 -
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CCP has already made it obvious that shifting development solely based off of driving new subs is the way to go for them. So long as there is no other decent competition, EvE will continue this path of cycling new subs.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Now where is that stupid like button when I need it....
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:46:00 -
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I've got some expirience how to drive a software development company, not game development but still 6 yearsas my own boss.
And if i have learnt something in this time, then it's how the path downwards is starting, that's exactly what is happening with CCP.
they've grown to fast, the management is after more subs, without attention to the FACT that things need to be done to keep the old SUBS.
there are two factors: 1. new subs rate 2. sub duration if you are able to keep both values high, thats awesome. But it seems like CCP has gone a way where they're ignoring the 2. part.... which is absolutly not good.
I hope the management of CCP will notice this in time, and that they'll be able to keep EVE from crashing into the ground.
That was my 2 cents to this.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:02:00 -
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I would like to mention that Team BFF and CCP Soundwave have given us the only thing we've wanted in a long time (ie small fixes) so lets thank them.
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vlad7
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: vlad7 on 10/04/2011 14:05:00 panic!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Artrald Besides I highly doubt web design is a large part of their staff. You must remember it is a game company and not a web design company.
Web design: 28 people EVE game design: 13 people EVE content design: 10 people
The numbers are freely available, no need for doubts or believes |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 14:10:57
CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE.
If you don't speak up... ...well, it'll probably still be somewhat fine for a couple of years.
Then it will just fizzle out. Almost certainly. In my opinion. Which you may not care about.
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CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 10/04/2011 14:23:22 Well, nothing against "speaking up", but threads like this only serf one purpuse: to vent and bring CCP down. I couldnt care less tbh.
Its not constructive, its destructive to a game we love and want to play. So they make alot of "foolish" mistakes as of late, yes, and i really blame them for it. After so many years one would think they got this covered.
I have seen this countless of times in other games, fanboys going angry on the company and destroying their own game (badmouthing and keeping other gamers from playing).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku It's not constructive, its destructive to a game we love and want to play. So they make alot of "foolish" mistakes as of late, yes, and i really blame them for it. After so many years one would think they got this covered.
How is "stop making the same recent mistakes over and over again and learn from them already" not constructive ? Should we go "aww, they keep screwing up in exactly the same way nowadays, but it's ok, they used to be totally awesome" ?!? How exactly are we to express our disapproval in a more constructive fashion ? We've tried pointing out the errors nicely and making suggestions, but when they're basically ignored and everything steamrolls in a direction we don't like, what else can you do ?
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CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE. |
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 10/04/2011 14:23:22 Well, nothing against "speaking up", but threads like this only serf one purpuse: to vent and bring CCP down. I couldnt care less tbh.
Its not constructive, its destructive to a game we love and want to play. So they make alot of "foolish" mistakes as of late, yes, and i really blame them for it. After so many years one would think they got this covered.
I have seen this countless of times in other games, fanboys going angry on the company and destroying their own game (badmouthing and keeping other gamers from playing).
considering the track record we had with CCP lately, this seems to be the only way for them to listen.
Akita most likely didn't want to resort to these methods, and I would really prefer to simply troll here and there.
however, CCP doesn't let us. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:52:00 -
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Well, tbh, taking it form the RL (real world), there would only be one way to put real pressure on CCP:
an organized CSM with about 10k-20k ppl behind it that, if for example they call for a "strike", would cancel alt-subs for 1 month. Sounds harsh? It is. Its real financial pressure. Its the power CCP has given us, we just dont use it yet.
Is the community mature enough for this? I dont know, but at this point, i would even take such a longshot.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Well, tbh, taking it form the RL (real world), there would only be one way to put real pressure on CCP:
an organized CSM with about 10k-20k ppl behind it that, if for example they call for a "strike", would cancel alt-subs for 1 month. Sounds harsh? It is. Its real financial pressure. Its the power CCP has given us, we just dont use it yet.
Is the community mature enough for this? I dont know, but at this point, i would even take such a longshot.
People are already noticily quitting because of the disappointment in CCP after the failforum event. A strike like this would be an interesting turn of event, I would very much like to see it happen, but that is not the goal of this thread.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:03:00 -
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Ppl quitting is not the same as an organized strike, its just angry ppl going away and badmouthing the game in the future. Even if CCP would then change policiy or make the game better, this ppl will still badmouth the game.
Thats why i don't think making ppl quit by beeing extremly negative about everything is really helping the cause, not if you want to keep playing. Once the spiral of death starts (subs going down because the words spreads its a hopeless case)there is no way to stop it, even if you would start doing everything "right".
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:04:00 -
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Like said in another post, i am stoping the payment for 1 or 2 of my accoutns for the next 1 or 2 months for sure, just to make my point clear, that i am no longer kidding or trolling.
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:04:00 -
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As I stated in my thread last night (or this morning), there is no major crisis, it's just that the forum issues are compounding with existing faults and people are going nuts.
A few hundred people posting in the forums with a few dozen (at most) announcing they will quit is hardly a sign of doom.
CSM does not get the votes because most people just do not give a ****, which means most of the community is content with the current state of things, maybe not happy, but just content.
And of course CCP will put getting subscriptions as a priority, they are a business, their priority is to make money so you really cant fault them for that.
The current issues are embarrassing not the signs that the battle of Armageddon is near.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP has proven again and again that they do not care about pushing out rubbish as long as they keep getting enough the subscriptions.
Well, if VV is right, in about a year, they may start panicking enough to finally do what's right. Or maybe they'll start failcascading. Let's hope it's the former.
Or, third, CCP can carry on providing a product and service to those of us that still want it, lose a long-time bitter and unhappy minority, and still be around and well even after you're long gone.
But yes, I can see why you'd only present two options: My way or die.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:15:00 -
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Why not just mass log into jita and surrounding systems for a week as a sign of protest?
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Is the community mature enough for this?/quote] If you're referencing the forum community, not in the least. And it seems many people decide on the userbase's opinion via the forums, which most likely counts for a low percentage of actual players within the universe. Generally, the more dedicated players to the game post in a game's forums continuously.
Originally by: Calathea Sata People are already noticily quitting because of the disappointment in CCP after the failforum event.
How many people have quit so far? Do you have numbers? I just recall the one thread, but I'm sure you've met a few people in game who share that OP's opinions. Cold, hard numbers would be helpful to persuade though.
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Ozzwald Harvey
Ozztek Shipping and Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.10 15:22:00 -
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The amount of nerd rage over a weekend of forum issues here is absolutely appalling and childish. I know that it was a setback and disappointment but seriously. People whining and threatening to quit a game they love because of an issue with said game's website?
Clearly most people don't see the big picture and only focus on what's right in front of them. For example, there are quite a few MMO sites that don't even HAVE forums or any type of user content. (AoC being one example)
Additionally, many more games have had much much more troubled issues regarding their games and websites at launch or otherwise. Does anyone remember the whole debacle with Darkfall and having to login at a specific time just to try buy the game only to have the site crash on the final page? Then reloading to find out that it's "sold out" again for the day?
Aion and Rift and hours and hours of queue times to sit through only to play for a few hours to have a server shutdown, or how about all the exploits that people used to stay constantly logged in. Rift also had a major issue where thousands of accounts were hacked weeks after going live.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some complete CCP fanboy, they certainly have their share of issues that need to be addressed and issues that need to be resolved from a website stand point but people seriously need to count their blessings sometimes.
If you know of another game that supports thousands of players on a single server with a fully player driven market in which you can claim your own territory and wage massive wars against one another then awesome, just stop *****ing and quit playing Eve and play something else. At least then the rest of us can enjoy our gaming experience.
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