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LordElfa
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:01:00 -
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This is ****ing sad. Eve when this council proves that its going to try harder than the CSM's before it, all too many of you vent your hatred over NC and Goon instead of even trying to have an open mind.
The naysayers need to grow up and stop acting like pouting children over the composition of CSM6 and start lending your support in an effort to improve EVE as a whole. To do otherwise hurts your own EVE experience as well as your fellow capsuleers.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:26:00 -
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There is indeed a difference though between "epic Space Battles" and blobbing. We would all like the ability to launch massive amounts of players into a galactic battle in some epic space war, but true blobbing on the other hand is a direct attempt to toss as many players into a fight as possible with the intent of creating massive amounts of lag in order to crap out the server and cause havoc. My only fear with time dilation is that while it could fix the former problem, it does nothing to keep those intent on causing a **** storm from throwing even more players in a battle until the server craps out again.
The only solution to prevent the latter is for alliances to use some ****ing self control. That combined with Time dilation could indeed solve the issue.
CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the righteous for what they will do. |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Katsura Kotonoha
Originally by: Needa3 well the time thing sounds good. i'm surprised the CSM can do something right
now: get rid of jumpbridges and get Eve back up to a decent IQ level, jumpbridges are for WoW-n00bs
Ha, I was gonna post the same reaction and you beat me to it. Whatcha gonna do, haterz is gonna hate.
CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the righteous for what they will do. |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani I'm seeing a lot of BAWWWW YOU ARE A STAKEHOLDER crap on Failheap. Let's deal with this.
The CSM is "a stakeholder in the scrum process". The Scrum process is a software development technique and nothing more; 'stakeholder' means 'someone you confer with as part of a Scrum cycle'.
Babbys are commonly seeing 'stakeholder' and thinking it means 'corporate stakeholder'. I see a lot of Evelgrion or whatever posts going YOU NEED TO HOLD CCP ACCOUNTABLE YOU ARE STAKEHOLDERS RARRR - which means 1. this guy is a toolshed 2. 'scrum stakeholder' and 'corporate stakeholder' are being conflated.
Don't be that guy. The CSM doesn't have status as a corporate stakeholder. Outside of the Scrum cycle - where we have our company-appointed advocate, who sits in on the cycle and offers our views - we can influence, message, and use the ability to get our narrative in front of the playerbase to attempt to accomplish ends.
Also, a lot of whining about how we aren't discussing the forums screwup - which was hilarious and awful - in this letter. The letter was written before the forums imploded, it takes CCP a few days to approve and upload dev blogs through their formal channels.
I'm not sure why you even bother responding to these miscreants, its painfully obvious they've already made up their minds concerning anything CSM6 plans to do. You could **** gold for them and physically transport them from their mother's basements to the Universe of EVE and they would still ***** because their eyes are shut and their minds are closed. They've deemed you the devil and anything you do will be looked upon with suspicion, envy and hatred.
You guys have better stuff to do and bigger problems to solve than dealing with capsule trash.
Carry on CSM and bring the problems of the people to the tyrannical heads of state.
CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Narrative control is one of the tools we do have available to us, so we're using it. It's also important to ram home the difference between 'scrum dev stakeholder' and 'corporate stakeholder' as part of expectation management; people like that idiot think we can offer the moon and stars partially because the actual powers and capabilities of the CSM have been so poorly communicated, both by CCP and by past CSMs.
To be fair to past CSMs, the actual CSM itself has evolved a lot and what CSM1 was is very different to CSM4 or CSM5 in terms of purpose, function and aims.
Basically he's a tool and I agree, but I want folks to know the difference between 'scrum stakeholder' and 'corporate stakeholder'.
I find it reassuring that even in the face of such negativity, you remain firm in your commitment to communicate with the base at large. Its about time a CSM treated the office they hold with respect instead of just the ability to go "Look how cool I am, I'm on the CSM!"
Kudos to you and your council. Stay strong, the road ahead is long and filled with the treachery of haterz and political saboteurs.
CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Weaselior
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Zastrow It's easy for CCP to ignore players on the forums and over the internet. It's a lot harder to ignore people that are sitting in the same room with you. It would take them like an hour or 2 at least.
Say what you want about the "power" of the CSM, but CCP isn't sitting them down with scrubs, they got Torfi, Noah, and other big guns sitting down with the CSM at the summits. These are important ears to have. If the CSM can persuade (persuade, not demand) the right people to come around, the direction of EVE will change as a result.
The Summits are just one piece of the picture though, and much of what goes on there is Big Picture stuff. For CSM5, for example, what followed after with CCP folks in the form of ongoing discussion (such as with Team Gridlock) and hands-on collaborative work (such as Trebor did with the UI team) was arguably MUCH more important in terms of getting **** done.
Sure, sitting down with "important ears" is useful. But so is ongoing dialog. So what do you do afterward when all requests to engage in such dialogs are refused, however passively, by those "important ears"? Do you just roll over and say, "Oh well, we tried at the Summit. Guess that's all we get. Hope our requests and demands didn't **** you off too much. Sorry, CCP, if we ruffled your feathers or anything."
Welp. That's one way.
Or do you do what Hilmar said to do, and call bull****?
you probably don't imitate a CSM that was largely a failure
That's every CSM before this one.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:32:00 -
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Some of the pathetic attacks at CSM6 in this thread make me want to punch babies.
They seem to be made by people who have been butthurt by Goon and NC rather than people with any legitimate argument about the current topic.
Nerf Jump Bridges? I suspect the people saying this are the same ones who call people hackers in FPS games because they keep getting merc'd.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: LordElfa Some of the pathetic attacks at CSM6 in this thread make me want to punch babies.
Thats the effect Goons usually have on ppl
and its not about whove theyve killed... who am I kidding this HAS to be a troll lol Good one
No, I'm dead ass serious about this. CSM6 is not the damn Goonswarm. People need to learn to separate the game from real life. In game, the members of CSM6 may play ruthlessly and for keeps, but out of game, many of them are professionals who are taking their roles in the CSM very seriously in order to make this game better. Why can't people see that?!
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi I think nobody expected that the huge success of CSM5 could be continued, but this letter is really a big step backwards.
CSM is one of the most important connections between the players (who are corporate stakeholders) and CCP, and you are reducing it to a SCRUM stakeholder. Of course it makes your day a lot easier in that respect.
But you seem to be motivated to work together effectively, so i am looking forward to what you can achieve. I'll try to measure you by your deeds, not by your words. Good luck!
Is it really that awful that unlike former CSM's that tried to promise the world that this one is being reserved and honest about what they can and can't do?
It sounds like a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't to me. Be honest and you end up with insinuations of lethargy, say you can get it all done and you're accused of having delusions of grandeur. Which is it?
...and someone tell me how CSM5 had huge success?!
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 11/04/2011 22:41:59
Originally by: BurntCornMuffin Edited by: BurntCornMuffin on 11/04/2011 22:30:43
Originally by: Shinigami Zetsui but you need to listen to the people you signed up to represent.
We didn't vote for him because we had to tell him what to do, we voted him in because we knew he'd do his own thing, which we are confident is the smart thing. If he had to actually listen to us, he'd be talking about removing Concord from the game, and adding Goon faction ships that resembled little yellow bees and frog pillows.
That would be a very cool idea for a prize in a corp tournament. The winner would get their own faction frigate added to the game which would be visually designed by the winning corp to reflect their style.
Or perhaps an entire faction set with Frigate, Cruiser and Battleship. I'd fly a Goon Bee.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Zetsui
Originally by: BurntCornMuffin Edited by: BurntCornMuffin on 11/04/2011 22:30:43
Originally by: Shinigami Zetsui but you need to listen to the people you signed up to represent.
We didn't vote for him because we had to tell him what to do, we voted him in because we knew he'd do his own thing, which we are confident is the smart thing. If he had to actually listen to us, he'd be talking about removing Concord from the game, and adding Goon faction ships that resembled little yellow bees and frog pillows.
So everyone voted for them to do as they please? Or were you talking about representing Goonswarm??
No, they voted for them because they trust them to do what's best for the game and not to be Goon's mouthpiece. They'll do what they were voted to do which is work hard for the benefit of the entire EVE playerbase.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 11/04/2011 23:19:08
Originally by: Marconus Orion Sweet!
Can't wait to have some one on one time with a majority controlled CSM by the NC, who has a goon as the chairman on a goon controlled mumble. This will go well.
It will be curious to see the goon moderators kick/mute anyone who is not of the same thought process they are on issues.
I guess that would depend on whether or not you're considering showing up just to try and be a disruptive tool to those attempting to actually get things done.
Originally by: Cortante This CSM is little more than a Northern Coalition CSM. The effect of Time Dilation will only help people bring a bigger blob, which favors the Northern Coalition.
Nothing Mittani or any of the other NC CSM members espouses will help smaller entities, nothing they espouse will break up the ****ty powerblocs that have choked out the flavor of 0.0. The first big idea? Making it easier to bring a blob and win.
End of the day, don't encourage Mittani or any of his yes-men by engaging with them, tell CCP that the CSM doesn't represent you and that CCP should take their ideas and opinions with the tiniest grain of salt.
If you don't like that NC worked hard to secure their place then stop crying and use the in game mechanics to change things. Why should CCP change the way the game works to make your play time easier? You want power blocks broken up then find a way to do it in EVE like stop expecting the developers to do your job for you.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 11/04/2011 23:46:11
Originally by: BurntCornMuffin
Considering how many years it took CCP to let players even get THIS involved, I think you'd best stay content for the time being.
You sir ask too much!!!
Originally by: Marconus Orion Sorry if I'm not comfortable with goons harvesting IP addresses with their mumble. Their reputation for being trust worth is simply nonexistent.
Then by all means, Don't Go!!! stay home and mine some more, whatever makes you feel warm, fuzzy and safe.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Herpes In my opinion good progress was made with the last CSM and their work should be continued. Specifically the jump bridge nerfs and cyno spool up ideas which recieved unanimous support from the CSM. Also all the small issues identified with crowd sourcing. It would be real shame just to throw that all away.
Do you also think that Obama should have gone on with Bush's agenda as well? New management means new priorities. Enough about crapping jump bridge nerfing. It was a bad idea when it was mentioned and its still bad. I won't even address cyno spool.
ттттттт CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 12/04/2011 00:02:39 Edited by: LordElfa on 12/04/2011 00:01:54
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: BurntCornMuffin
Originally by: Marconus Orion Sorry if I'm not comfortable with goons harvesting IP addresses with their mumble. Their reputation for being trust worth is simply nonexistent.
Because real life scamming isn't an offense that gets you permabanned from Goonswarm and possibly Eve. Best keep that tin foil hat handy, I'm totally willing to get your real life info to damn myself into having no other Eve entity wiling to take me in aside from Pandemic Legion. I love 4chan cat memes so much that such a fate would be a blessing. Or worse, I'd lose my ability to pilot internet space ships and have to go outside or something.
So why hasn't Mittens been banned, what with all the linking of PL IP's that had been put into googledocs?
Why did you let your forum leak? If you get struck by lightening for holding an umbrella in a thunderstorm, you don't blame the lightning or the umbrella.
If I'm not mistaken, Goon uses those IP's to compare against members in their own forums to keep out your infiltrators. What benefit would they get from a thousand random players who can't really be linked to EVE accounts by their IP's?
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.12 06:35:00 -
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...and I'm the troll.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.12 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Originally by: LordElfa ...and I'm the troll.
I'd say sycophant.
I play EVE, of course I'm a sycophant.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.12 22:43:00 -
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I'm most curious how you will be injected back into regular time. I mean once slowed down, you will soon fall behind the rest of the galaxy, then what? I mean, say for example you ended up 4 hours behind the rest of EVE during a fight, would you just skip forward 4 hours upon leaving the system?
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:46:00 -
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Well Trebor, while I'm all for the adoption of Time-Dilation, large fleet lag only affects a small portion of the player base who actually engage in said giant ass battles.
Fixing Hybrids and Gallente on the other hand affects a far larger percentage of capsuleers, even overlapping with those affected by big ol' fleet fight lag.
Now while I would prefer that Gallente and Hybrids were tackled first, I'd be happy if CSM6 at least attempted to tackle the problem after they get the Time-Dilation thing under control.
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