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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
303
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:15:00 -
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The meme that CCP has a perennial GÇ£drive people out of high-secGÇ¥ dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.
The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Jim Era
HARD KNOCKS CORP
1884
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:16:00 -
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that face |
baltec1
Bat Country
1978
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:23:00 -
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OP seems to have hit a level of bitter so high that his face has collapsed into itself... |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
275
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:24:00 -
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I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
baltec1
Bat Country
1981
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...
Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
73
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:31:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...
Cant argue with that..... |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
73
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?
Since votes get flushed through the toilet by those same null-sec bears |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
76
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Democracy, working as intended. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
276
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?
Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears.
As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1111
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:39:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...
CSM 6 was so 2011.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9303
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:40:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though... Too bad it's not entirely correct. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1983
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:43:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears.
As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
This may have escaped you but goons are not just a null sec group. All of EVE is our playground and a healthy high sec is in our interests too. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
193
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:46:00 -
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Anslo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears. As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
rofl , you, Mr. "if it doesn't affect me it ain't bad", talking about selfish interests.
The CSM is null sec heavy because null sec residents care enough about the game to vote, they don't need "outreach" lol. The idea that ccp has to do something special to get high sec residents to vote is a good indication of the quality of high sec residents.
And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with. In military terms, null sec is the point of the spear, high sec is just the support shaft (so don't get mad when you get "shafted").
Destruction of ships in null (and low and WHs, and to a much lesser extent, smaller ships going pop in high sec) is what drives the EVE economy.
Why people playing solo (in an mmo), casual (in a hard core centric game) in high sec (the protected space with the lowest rewards that the DEVS keep trying to drive people out of) who don't even care to vote think they should have representation in the CSM ...Well, i'll never understand it.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:This may have escaped you but goons are not just a null sec group. All of EVE is our playground and a healthy high sec is in our interests too.
Be that as it may, a perspective and voice of a high sec player isn't and shouldn't be discounted.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
193
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:50:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Since votes get flushed through the toilet by those same null-sec bears
Wait a minute, so it's some how some grand conspiracy by "null sec" (20% of the characters in EVE) against high sec that makes the csm null sec heavy?
It' couldn't possibly be that high sec residents (real ones, not the null sec alts lol) just don't give much of a damn or play enough to care in the 1st place. No, it must be null sec.
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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:50:00 -
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Anslo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears. As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107393&p=15
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107405&p=12
FW would like to have a word with you about there lack or representation.
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Selinate
980
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:50:00 -
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Anslo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears. As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
I don't get it, I thought selfish interest groups was the epitome of Eve itself.... |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:51:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The CSM is null sec heavy because null sec residents care enough about the game to vote, they don't need "outreach" lol. The idea that ccp has to do something special to get high sec residents to vote is a good indication of the quality of high sec residents.
And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with. In military terms, null sec is the point of the spear, high sec is just the support shaft (so don't get mad when you get "shafted").
So it isn't representative, I know. My point is that the CSM is supposed to be the voice of the player base, a representative one, but it isn't.
Jenn aSide wrote:Why people playing solo (in an mmo), casual (in a hard core centric game) in high sec (the protected space with the lowest rewards that the DEVS keep trying to drive people out of) who don't even care to vote think they should have representation in the CSM ...Well, i'll never understand it.
What is it with this attitude? So what if they want to solo? So what if they're casual? And so what if they wanna be in high sec? When it comes down to it, money is money. They're subscription is no better or worse than yours. As such, they DO deserve representation. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1983
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:51:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Be that as it may, a perspective and voice of a high sec player isn't and shouldn't be discounted.
So they should vote then.
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Jonah Gravenstein
1027
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:51:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:The meme that CCP has a perennial GÇ£drive people out of high-secGÇ¥ dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.
The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.
I'd leave hisec, if you stopped posting. Nullsec provides a lot of the player driven storyline that Eve is famous for, James315 seems to be trying to do the same for hisec while having a bit of fun setting himself up as a Dr Ebil style despot.
I used to be proud to be a carebear, with the ever increasing whines about anything not carebear related I'm rapidly becoming disillusioned with the carebear lifestyle, oh well time to start posting on FHC again so I can be counted along with the bittervets, at least their moans are entertaining.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
74
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Wait a minute, so it's some how some grand conspiracy by "null sec" (20% of the characters in EVE) against high sec that makes the csm null sec heavy?
It' couldn't possibly be that high sec residents (real ones, not the null sec alts lol) just don't give much of a damn or play enough to care in the 1st place. No, it must be null sec.
Yes....it must. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:53:00 -
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Second post has to do with nul logistics from Empire to 0.0, not just Empire players.
First player, affects everyone, so I'll concede on that fair enough. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1435
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:53:00 -
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Anslo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears. As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups. You're right, this CSM doesn't represent Eve. It represents the parts of Eve that care.
What do you suggest to reach out to people who join, play for a few months, and quit because it's not their type of game? What about to reach out to people who have 5 alts that they mine with to see their wallet ticking up? To people so busy grinding their ISK and not paying attention to anything that weeks or months after a balance change they are unaware of it? To people who play Eve like it's a single player game? To people who miss the huge flipping banner on the login screen asking them to vote?
Nullsec residents got their picks on the CSM because they cared about their future, interacted with others (their alliance), and someone wanted to make a change. Of course it's selfish -- all members of representative government are expected to be selfish and push their constituency's interests as much as possible.
Hisec stands very little chance of getting more than one or two candidates at the table. It is simply full of too many people who play Eve like any other game, with no dedication, no self-information, no (or very little) player interaction or organization, and no intent to get more involved in the game's life and development than I have in getting involved in Coca Cola's next branding decision. It's use then stop caring.
Whether this is because Eve is too much of a niche game, the unconventional nature of the CSM, reading being hard for people, hisec structure, or whatever else is another issue. However, it is how things are. Hisec will not be represented fairly (by population, at least) in the CSM anytime soon. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:54:00 -
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Both deal with FW one deals with I-HuB in FW the other with NPC's in faction war read before making posts. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9304
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:55:00 -
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Anslo wrote:So it isn't representative, I know. My point is that the CSM is supposed to be the voice of the player base, a representative one GǪand it is. Just look through the meeting minutes and you'll see that it gets the attention it deserves.
This whole GÇ£highsec isn't representedGÇ¥ myth could use a whole lot more propping up and evidence to support itself because the reality of the matter doesn't seem to coincide that well with the supposed lop-sidedness. The whole thing simply rests on the fallacy that highsec issues can only be represented by someone who only lives in highsec, when history has shown that this isn't really the case. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1130
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:57:00 -
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Just thought it might be worth mentioning that the current CSM is actually #7, and has representatives from all sec status regions.
Not that anyone outside hisec would really think that these people form homogenic demographics with similar goals. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:58:00 -
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MIrple wrote:Both deal with FW one deals with I-HuB in FW the other with NPC's in faction war read before making posts.
So, to you, FW=High sec? |
baltec1
Bat Country
1985
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:02:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
So, to you, FW=High sec?
I once attacked gal high sec in a caracal. I highly recomend it as it was so much fun. |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
97
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:04:00 -
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Anslo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote? Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears. As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.
This was what I was quoting FW is not null sec you are correct |
Jonah Gravenstein
1029
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:
So, to you, FW=High sec?
I once attacked gal high sec in a caracal. I highly recomend it as it was so much fun.
I hope it was a rocket caracal, it looks 'king awesome when you fire all ze rockets. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
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