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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:as to the abstains, we would at least then have real numbers and know that everyone was educated No, we really wouldn't. If you dismiss the level of education they have at the moment, then the level they'd have after your scheme would be dismissible for the same reasons. we would have eves population containing the number of voters and the number of abstainers so yes we would.
As to there current education on the CSM that is hypothetical not real, educate them and you know they have been. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ghazu
95
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:That is a possibility but not a certainty, I believe you would find more people would vote as to how many more, who knows. That is a possibility but not a certainty. Why is your uncertainty better, especially when there's nothing to suggest that it will change anything. Quote:Educating them rather than allowing them to live in ignorance is always a good thing. GǪand they're not going to be educated by a popup about something they already don't care about GÇö years of internet usage has primed EVE players to be very quick on the GÇ£get this crap out of my wayGÇ¥-button. What's wrong with the current representation that makes all this effort to annoy people is worth it? My uncertainty is not better but if you believed all of the people currently not voting through apathy would not vote then I believe you are being naive. Yes but should this button occur somewhere and only appear there once in a year it is an unusual occurrence and I believe it would pull a number of people up. Yes we are constantly surrounded by ads, pop-ups and other crap. We are all at saturation level and subsequently paying less attention as things become common place. That is why I want to do it in a place and a way we have not programmed ourselves to do it.
christ issler already got a seat what you want him to be chairman? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9314
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:if you believed all of the people currently not voting through apathy would not vote then I believe you are being naive. I believe that if you think that people who care aren't already voting and that apathy isn't that high, then you are na+»ve.
Quote:Yes we are constantly surrounded by ads, pop-ups and other crap. We are all at saturation level and subsequently paying less attention as things become common place. That is why I want to do it in a place and a way we have not programmed ourselves to do it. No such place exists and the response doesn't go away: it's in my way, I'm not interested, scroll-clicktodismiss-complainonforumsaboutpointlessspam. It's more or less muscle-memory for the average internet user now and it will not increase the education level.
Quote:we would have eves population containing the number of voters and the number of abstainers so yes we would. GǪand we'd know absolutely nothing about their GǣeducationGǥ-level so no, we really wouldn't.
Oh, and of course, that fundamental question remains unanswered. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The programmer time to do that would be in C less than an hour so bugger all And then there's proper QA, the art department will have to be pulled in (you don't want to make punkturis sad by adding a new thing to EVE with a ****** UI, now would you? She might have to make sad puppy eyes again.) Frying Doom wrote:Educating the Populous is very cheap, allowing minorities to control the CSM could be very expensive. So let's sum up what information players have to ignore to remain completely uninformed of the CSM 1) Banner on the login screen 2) Media blitz everywhere 3) Evemails from trebors 4) Forum posts everywhere 5) Email from CCP 6) Local spam everywhere. What kind of person are you saying CCP has to expend a ton of additional time, money and energy into reaching, which isn't reached already? Punkturis did not work on the UI its the UI like they used on the alliance tournament.
Media blitz everywhere? Funny it wasn't in my morning paper just some eve and gaming sites that a lot of people seem to make fun of. I didn't get that evemail myself so not sure what that one is.
The CCP email, I honestly cannot remember what that said ATM I am flooded with Dust ones. The local spam was rather light this year considering when I was doing it I did not run over another and as I said I had a lot of people asking what the CSM was.
So even with all that lot, given this thread and the response in local at the last CSM election a lot of people did miss all that.
So we are still back to the fact they need educating and that 1/3 of 1% is pathetic amount to get onto the CSM. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:if you believed all of the people currently not voting through apathy would not vote then I believe you are being naive. I believe that if you think that people who care aren't already voting and that apathy isn't that high, then you are na+»ve. Quote:Yes we are constantly surrounded by ads, pop-ups and other crap. We are all at saturation level and subsequently paying less attention as things become common place. That is why I want to do it in a place and a way we have not programmed ourselves to do it. No such place exists and the response doesn't go away: it's in my way, I'm not interested, scroll-clicktodismiss-complainonforumsaboutpointlessspam. It's more or less muscle-memory for the average internet user now and it will not increase the education level. Quote:we would have eves population containing the number of voters and the number of abstainers so yes we would. GǪand we'd know absolutely nothing about their GÇ£educationGÇ¥-level so no, we really wouldn't. Oh, and of course, that fundamental question remains unanswered. Either way education is the best plan for including more people into the CSM other than the pathetic 18% who voted this year.
With the pop-up you know they have had access to what the CSM is, not think but know. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:12:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand regardless, the fundamental question remains: what's the problem with the current representation? It is not representative, it cannot be given such a small percentage of voters and when a 3% block is considered the largest power block or that you only need 1/3 of 1% of the populous to get someone on the CSM. That really does not sound representative to me. Welcome to politics, that would be sufficient to get you elected in many places so why not a game. Without the CSM we'd be well and truly screwed, CCP would be free to do as they please, we'd have promises of 18 months for FiS development, the NEX store would be out of control, and subs would probably at all time low, make the most of what we have the CSM do have the interests of the game at heart no matter how biased they may seem. They obviously care enough to give up their time to represent & communicate with players, yeah trips to the land of fire and ice are a nice perk as is political clout, but they do put in a substantial amount of free time and effort in return Where the hell do you get elected on 0.36% of the populous?
Please be aware I am not criticizing the current CSM with this thread this is the current voting system and the pathetic percentage of votes required to get a seat on the CSM. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9314
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So even with all that lot, given this thread and the response in local at the last CSM election a lot of people did miss all that. Yes, that's what we are asking you. How on earth can you claim that they are GÇ£not educatedGÇ¥ rather than just completely disinterested and apathetic?
Quote:Either way education is the best plan for including more people into the CSM other than the pathetic 18% who voted this year. If by GÇ£patheticGÇ¥ you mean GÇ£more than twice the number of people who generally interact with the game community and almost 20+ù the number of people who generally do it activelyGÇ¥GǪ 18% is a massive response for these kinds of things and shows that people are voting in large numbers. Chalking the rest up to apathy and lack of interest is a far more readily available explanation than saying that they would engage more if they knew more.
Most likely, they already do. Most likely, they already don't care. Most likely, those who want to be represented already are. Hell, pretty much nothing has been offered to suggest that they aren't.
Quote:With the pop-up you know they have had access to what the CSM is, not think but know. GǪand they'd still not be GÇ£educatedGÇ¥ by your standards. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jonah Gravenstein
1067
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Where the hell do you get elected on 0.36% of the populous?
Please be aware I am not criticizing the current CSM with this thread this is the current voting system and the pathetic percentage of votes required to get a seat on the CSM.
Probably the same countries where you can have more votes than your opponent and still lose. Some countries have weighted voting so that more populous areas don't wield excess political influence based on their population, less populated areas have more political influence per head than the populated ones. (vastly simplified for easy consumption)
At least one major world power does this. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
Lord Zim
1231
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Media blitz everywhere? Funny it wasn't in my morning paper just some eve and gaming sites that a lot of people seem to make fun of. I didn't get that evemail myself so not sure what that one is. Now you're just being obtuse.
Frying Doom wrote:The CCP email, I honestly cannot remember what that said ATM I am flooded with Dust ones. Subject: EVE Online - CSM Election Information Newsletter Date: 16.03.2011 02:00
YOUR VOTE IS YOUR CHOICE - USE IT! Tens of thousands of players have already cast their votes. They have selected the candidates they feel will best represent their interests and their desires for EVE Online. Are you one of them?
What Is The CSM? The CSM is a council of nine player representatives that are democratically elected by the EVE community. Their purpose is to represent player interests to CCP, focusing on the "greatest good for the greater player base." The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE Online, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. While the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. More on the CSM can be found here.
A Brief History of the CSM (by the 5th CSM)
Who Is Currently Running? Over 50 candidates have their hats in the ring this election, representing 35 different alliances and a dozen real life countries. CCP Diagoras' Candidate Listing Blog has a complete breakdown on the demographics for those interested in the finer details.
DevBlog: Candidate Listing for the 6th CSM Elections
So Many Choices! How Do I Decide? Voters can review the candidate roster in the CSM section of EVEOnline.com. The roster is complete with a personally crafted message by each one, as well as any additional links and information they wish to relay.
Additionally, a website run by current CSM member, Diedra Vaal, has created a Vote Match page that uses a small questionnaire to aid in matching you with the candidates that best support your views. Vote Match also allows you to see where each candidate stands on dozens of hot topics and pressing issues in EVE Online.
Who Can Vote? Any member of the EVE community with an active account that is older than 30 days may vote in the election.
Would You Like To Know More? EVE FORUMS - Visit the Jita park Speakers Corner for current threads and discussions with the current candidates.
TWITTER - #csm6 #csmvi and #rocthevote all offer up to the minute active discussions on the current election.
Frying Doom wrote:So we are still back to the fact they need educating and that 1/3 of 1% is pathetic amount to get onto the CSM. Nope. They're already educated. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2011
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Posted - 2012.09.02 15:53:00 -
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In order to not know about the election they would have to have been cut off from all communication with the playerbase and ignored emails from CCP and the adverts on the login screen. These people clearly do not care about EVE enough to vote. |
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Mal Ishos
Red Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.09.02 15:55:00 -
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ITT: People think the CSM matters. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
11
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Posted - 2012.09.02 15:59:00 -
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then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2011
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:01:00 -
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serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.
Many have tried and just about all have failed. Turns out, Null and low sec players know more of the game and voters like that. |
Mal Ishos
Red Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:07:00 -
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serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.
Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised? |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
19
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:36:00 -
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You seem to forget that the majority of people in 0.0 have at least 2 alts in high sec for trade science and logistics. Others engage in incursions and FW.
I'd guess at least 40% of the people in highsec are alts of null secers.
In the end 0.0 is the end game activity in eve so (unless you quit before then) that's where you will likely end up because lets face it... Hisec activities are terribly boring long term.. plus null sec drive the highsec player economy, so you should have a vested interest in keeping them playing ..sorry..
Null sec people do actually engage in thru high sec activites.. that's when hi sec bears really get upset .. (including in this greifer war dec bears who get their pimped out T3s killed by a real PVPers..and oh how the tears are all the sweeter from them). |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
319
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:57:00 -
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Mal Ishos wrote:serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised?
From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting. They seem to bemore of anorganization for pushing peeps into NULL . They have footholds in every sec space except in WH's don't they ? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Jonah Gravenstein
1067
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Posted - 2012.09.02 17:46:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mal Ishos wrote:serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised? From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a school for spais
[tinfoil] FTFY [/tinfoil]
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
599
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:29:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mal Ishos wrote:serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised? From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting. They seem to bemore of anorganization for pushing peeps into NULL . They have footholds in every sec space except in WH's don't they ? That might be because noobs come out of EVE University with a clue, and when you get a clue you decide you're probably best off leaving highsec. For most people that means nullsec. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
551
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:26:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:The CSM has been around for 6 years now; that is over half the life of the game. It is advertised and talked about in so many different places, at so many different levels and by such a plethora of people, that ignorance of its existence is almost unfathomable. Almost as unfathomable as not knowing the CSM has only been around for 4 years... CSM Page
Quote:Timeline
-March 18, 2008: Call for candidates -April 1, 2008: Candidate entries ends -May 5, 2008: The two-week voting process begins with all candidates that have been verified and approved -May 19, 2008: Voting ends -May 21, 2008: Council members announced -May 24, 2008: The first CSM meeting online
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Maybe you require re-education as well. My level of education is not in question. "The CSM has been around for over 6 years now". it's still only been four years...
DarthNefarius wrote:From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting. You sir, are an idiot.
Your statement is so pants-on-head stupid that is all the answer you deserve.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
708
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:34:00 -
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Xorth Adimus wrote:You seem to forget that the majority of people in 0.0 have at least 2 alts in high sec for trade science and logistics. Others engage in incursions and FW.
I'd guess at least 40% of the people in highsec are alts of null secers.
In the end 0.0 is the end game activity in eve so (unless you quit before then) that's where you will likely end up because lets face it... Hisec activities are terribly boring long term.. plus null sec drive the highsec player economy, so you should have a vested interest in keeping them playing ..sorry..
Null sec people do actually engage in thru high sec activites.. that's when hi sec bears really get upset .. (including in this greifer war dec bears who get their pimped out T3s killed by a real PVPers..and oh how the tears are all the sweeter from them). And I would guess your guess is completely wrong. Considering pictures shown on this forum with miners with 20 accounts running.
Although Null sec people claim that the majority of the accounts in eve or just hi-sec alts are null sec based the figures don't really add up, if you are talking separate account alts then not enough people voted. If you are a Null secer but actually spend most of your time mission running in hi-sec then sorry you Null character is actually the at no matter who you voted for, you are generating bounties and driving the economy in Hi-sec not in Null. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
708
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Media blitz everywhere? Funny it wasn't in my morning paper just some eve and gaming sites that a lot of people seem to make fun of. I didn't get that evemail myself so not sure what that one is. Now you're just being obtuse. Frying Doom wrote:The CCP email, I honestly cannot remember what that said ATM I am flooded with Dust ones. Subject: EVE Online - CSM Election Information Newsletter Date: 16.03.2011 02:00 YOUR VOTE IS YOUR CHOICE - USE IT! Tens of thousands of players have already cast their votes. They have selected the candidates they feel will best represent their interests and their desires for EVE Online. Are you one of them? What Is The CSM? The CSM is a council of nine player representatives that are democratically elected by the EVE community. Their purpose is to represent player interests to CCP, focusing on the "greatest good for the greater player base." The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE Online, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. While the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. More on the CSM can be found here. A Brief History of the CSM (by the 5th CSM) Who Is Currently Running? Over 50 candidates have their hats in the ring this election, representing 35 different alliances and a dozen real life countries. CCP Diagoras' Candidate Listing Blog has a complete breakdown on the demographics for those interested in the finer details. DevBlog: Candidate Listing for the 6th CSM Elections So Many Choices! How Do I Decide? Voters can review the candidate roster in the CSM section of EVEOnline.com. The roster is complete with a personally crafted message by each one, as well as any additional links and information they wish to relay. Additionally, a website run by current CSM member, Diedra Vaal, has created a Vote Match page that uses a small questionnaire to aid in matching you with the candidates that best support your views. Vote Match also allows you to see where each candidate stands on dozens of hot topics and pressing issues in EVE Online. Who Can Vote? Any member of the EVE community with an active account that is older than 30 days may vote in the election. Would You Like To Know More? EVE FORUMS - Visit the Jita park Speakers Corner for current threads and discussions with the current candidates. TWITTER - #csm6 #csmvi and #rocthevote all offer up to the minute active discussions on the current election. Frying Doom wrote:So we are still back to the fact they need educating and that 1/3 of 1% is pathetic amount to get onto the CSM. Nope. They're already educated. Even with all this, and I didn't remember this email as I did not receive it. So thanks for that I must make a copy.
Just some of the answers on this forum by the more educated people(via reading the forums) have no idea about the CSM, we have heard the usual "CSM is for Null sec", "CSM has no influence", the fact that the enlightened people do not know how long the CSM has been around and some people who still seem to think we are on CSM6.
And this is the educated forum users, so you cannot tell me you expect those pople who do not use the forums to be more educated.
Education is needed and as I have said before the only people who would not want this are those people in small interest groups who benefit from the masses living in the dark.
Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.
A seat costing 1/3 of 1% of the populous is not a player representative, it is merely someone who scammed a few votes. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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serras bang
Lucien Coven
12
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. Many have tried and just about all have failed. Turns out, Null and low sec players know more of the game and voters like that.
i know quite a bit of players that know quite a bit about null but preferr high sec due to work and not haveing the time or dont care or cant be botherd with the politics or the harasment or the constant pvp ect ect the list gose on of null sec. |
Lord Zim
1238
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM. They are educated. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Where the hell do you get elected on 0.36% of the populous?
Please be aware I am not criticizing the current CSM with this thread this is the current voting system and the pathetic percentage of votes required to get a seat on the CSM.
Probably the same countries where you can have more votes than your opponent and still lose. Some countries have weighted voting so that more populous areas don't wield excess political influence based on their population, less populated areas have more political influence per head than the populated ones. (vastly simplified for easy consumption & because I was gently trolling you) At least one major world power does this. I have no objection to trolls, I find it an interesting part time career. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:47:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM. They are educated. Maybe you should read these posts and tell me how educated they are. With the amount of avenues with which CCP is sending out information, they're either educated, or they've spent so much energy into not becoming educated that there's no way they'll give a flying **** even if you did get Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick them to the face until they knew precisely what the CSM was. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:47:00 -
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serras bang wrote:then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks. Hell try, honestly it isn't that hard with the bar currently set so low.
Hopefully this will be fixed but probably not so try away Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:49:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM. They are educated. Maybe you should read these posts and tell me how educated they are. With the amount of avenues with which CCP is sending out information, they're either educated, or they've spent so much energy into not becoming educated that there's no way they'll give a flying **** even if you did get Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick them to the face until they knew precisely what the CSM was. You sound like a school teacher, we tried to educate them, but it didn't work so we gave up.
As I have said over and over, trying to educate the masses does no harm to anyone but small interest groups. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:51:00 -
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Mal Ishos wrote:ITT: People think the CSM matters. ^^ Case in point. Maybe we can get the CSM to suggest peasant tags for the mindless drones who do not vote.
J/K but then again. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9315
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:56:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:If you are a Null secer but actually spend most of your time mission running in hi-sec then sorry you Null character is actually the at no matter who you voted for, you are generating bounties and driving the economy in Hi-sec not in Null. GǪand where you generate bounties and drive the economy isn't particularly relevant to what artificial segment you feel you belong to. If you are a null seccer, you are a null seccer, even if you spend a lot of time in highsec simply because you have a better view of the breadth of issues and will recognise the candidates that can represent them. Hell, I'm a highseccer, and I vote nullsec because no Gǣhighsec repGǥ could ever make any kind of sane or sensible contribution to the debate because they're too clueless about the overall game.
Quote:Just some of the answers on this forum by the more educated people(via reading the forums) have no idea about the CSM, we have heard the usual "CSM is for Null sec", "CSM has no influence", the fact that the enlightened people do not know how long the CSM has been around and some people who still seem to think we are on CSM6.
And this is the educated forum users GǪwho have decided not to care, just like the voters that didn't vote. They are educated to the extent they want to be, and trying to force more on them will not make then want it any more.
Oh, and the fundamental question remains: what's the problem with the current representation?
Yes. It's an excellent example of someone who has educated themselves and come to the conclusion that they don't care and that they have no interest in voting. For most games, the people in that category GÇö the ones who just go along and choose not to engage in any way with any kind of forums or official business GÇö tend to amount to somewhere in the region of 90%. EVE has massive engagement among its players in comparison. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:04:00 -
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"Oh, and the fundamental question remains: what's the problem with the current representation?"
How can it possibly be representative of the players when so many of the players are not represented, so there wants are unknown.
The players need further education, their is only harm to small interest groups not to the game, as the game would benefit by having more players involved. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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